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Andre Gomes

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Sadly will be ignored/ twisted by those who just want an excuse to say “Papa Levy isn’t buying me the toys I asked for, he got me a scrabble board because it would benefit me long term when I really wanted a PS4 and FIFA 18 so I could brag my mates’’
...and that's funny because it's true.
 

hellava_tough

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Well we haven't signed a world class player under Poch yet so not sure why people expect us to do so now. The players who could be considered World Class were developed to that level by Poch (Eriksen/Kane/Vertonghen). They certainly didn't come in at that level. So why people expect us to change this philosophy now I don't know. Poch loves making greatness not buying it otherwise he would be at Real Madrid now.

I think when Poch said we need to take risks this window he means signings like Gomes and Grealish. Spending £100m on a superstar player isn't all that risky because they're already world class (this is what Mourinho does). Players who are not top players but young enough to develop are the risks he wants to take. He doesn't want Levy to hesitate too much but pull the trigger and get them in before we miss out.

To be fair, the ITKs said 2 things; (i) our star players would be signing huge contracts and (ii) we would be going after world-class players (or rather, players that Liverpool, Chelsea and the Arsenal of old usually go/went after) and that there wouldn't be issues with finding the funding for these players

The first thing has happened (well, Kane anyway) and so people are now waiting on the second

Whether they should or not is anyone's guess and we'll have to wait until the transfer window closes for an answer

But, anyway, that's why people are getting bent out of shape; their expectations have risen
 

dtxspurs

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@Vinny_Sammways_left_peg maybe we are just going to disagree on completely everything. But whether you want to admit it or not that first paragraph you just wrote exists where Poch discussed taking risks and being brave. We also then had a month of ITK about Poch being backed and it was time to stick or twist. Everything we heard leading up to this window was thats what he was talking about and thats what we were going to do.
 
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@Vinny_Sammways_left_peg maybe we are just going to disagree on completely everything. But whether you want to admit it or not that first paragraph you just wrote exists where Poch discussed taking risks and being brave. We also then had a month of ITK about Poch being backed and it was time to stick or twist. Everything we heard leading up to this window was thats what he was talking about and thats what we were going to do.
You keep choosing to ignore the important part and I can't help you. You also come on here daily and keep repeating the same things over and over and it doesn't change the fact that we are what we are.

Disagree over black and white, words that came from the mans mouth himself ...

On the nature of ITK it is always prefaced with taking it with a grain of salt. Considering the window is only half done with perhaps until things actually start to happen you might put your own personal expectations in check. Upto you.
 

chinaman

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Why would he come out and say we need to be brave and take risks if that means just doing what we've been doing?

Isn't it being brave trying to bring glory by toiling for it instead of buying instant success?
 

dtxspurs

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You keep choosing to ignore the important part and I can't help you. You also come on here daily and keep repeating the same things over and over and it doesn't change the fact that we are what we are.

Disagree over black and white, words that came from the mans mouth himself ...

On the nature of ITK it is always prefaced with taking it with a grain of salt. Considering the window is only half done with perhaps until things actually start to happen you might put your own personal expectations in check. Upto you.
But we aren't what we were 4 years ago... Thats my whole point in all of this. We aren't a top 6 club anymore.. We're a top 3 club with the biggest stadium in the biggest city in the country, in the league that makes the most money and has the most exposure in the world. We have the best striker in the world, one of the best midfielders in the world, one of the best managers in the world. We had one of the best defenses in the world in the 2016/17 season and were looking to improve on that this past season. We aren't just what we were anymore. If that isn't your opinion or you thing I'm wrong about any of that then thats fine we can agree to disagree.
 
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But we aren't what we were 4 years ago... Thats my whole point in all of this. We aren't a top 6 club anymore.. We're a top 3 club with the biggest stadium in the biggest city in the country, in the league that makes the most money and has the most exposure in the world. We have the best striker in the world, one of the best midfielders in the world, one of the best managers in the world. We had one of the best defenses in the world in the 2016/17 season and were looking to improve on that this past season. We aren't just what we were anymore. If that isn't your opinion or you thing I'm wrong about any of that then thats fine we can agree to disagree.
Everything you typed out above is true. Doesn't change our standing within the global game. On and off of the pitch we're still growing as a brand and a team.
 

hellava_tough

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Enjoying the discussion, but I think a lot of these arguments are going to have to wait until after the transfer window closes.

Only then will we see how our transfer policy has panned out and whether it's a 'brave new world' or 'business as usual'.
 
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Enjoying the discussion, but I think a lot of these arguments are going to have to wait until after the transfer window closes.

Only then will we see how our transfer policy has panned out and whether it's a 'brave new world' or 'business as usual'.
I think this is probably the best way to view it and I'd agree and happily move on. I'm not sure about others, expectations and all that.
 

dtxspurs

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Enjoying the discussion, but I think a lot of these arguments are going to have to wait until after the transfer window closes.

Only then will we see how our transfer policy has panned out and whether it's a 'brave new world' or 'business as usual'.
I don't disagree as it will all prove out over time. But it's still fun to discuss with people and it would be really quiet around here without it.
 
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I don't disagree as it will all prove out over time. But it's still fun to discuss with people and it would be really quiet around here without it.
Like most fans we all want the best. We may have a differing view that brings us to the same conclusion and I think as @hellava_tough says we can always come back to this very debate on the 10th of August (maybe even before) and see what's what!

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dtxspurs

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Like most fans we all want the best. We may have a differing view that brings us to the same conclusion and I think as @hellava_tough says we can always come back to this very debate on the 10th of August (maybe even before) and see what's what!

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Agreed, all I ask is that we're trying for the best and going from there. Its like the Keita Balde transfer last year, I want to go after the biggest prospects see if Poch can convince them of the project, if not fine but at least we tried. To dare is to do after all right?!

I'm sure thats what we're doing but we never really know.
 

BringBack_leGin

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The interview in full is here -

https://www.football.london/tottenh...hettino-time-risks-vertonghen-latest-14652533

I think Daniel is going to listen to me of course. You know me, maybe sometimes I have crazy ideas. You need to be brave. In these types of situations, with a club with our unbelievable fans, being brave is the most important thing and take risks. I think it's a moment that the club needs to take risks and try to work if possible harder than the previous season to be competitive again because every season will be worse and will be more difficult.

He prefaces the above though with this ...

It's so important to have a strategy to explain, to show of course, the club is going to be ambitions, but sometimes we need to operate in a different ways to others. The fans need to know what we are going to do, the fans need to feel the reality of the club and we need to tell the truth and create an expectation that we can achieve. You cannot create dreams, thinking that we are not going to achieve them. We need to create dreams that will be possible to achieve. Of course the ambition of the club will be to win. Now maybe we are a little bit disappointed and frustrated because now we are close. But that is the first step, to be close, challenge the big sides, the sides that invest more than us and we need to try to find a way.

and -

We cannot think that we are the most clever people in the world because we are going to win trophies, spend money. We need to think that our reality is different and our fans need to think and be happy and support us because we are not this type of club that is going to invest crazy money. And all together we need to feel that we are a special club. If we are able to create that feeling that anything is possible in football. We need to be fans and us on the same page, working hard to try to develop the best work, and deliver the best work in trying to win what other clubs are winning.

So can we stop cherry picking the 'Brave' line and take it for what it was ...
Should be stickied...
 

Trix

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Perhaps all Poch meant by being brave was not having to wait until we sold off players before we would commit to buying? Lets be honest what he actually said could have many interpretations.
 

Keefo

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Perhaps all Poch meant by being brave was not having to wait until we sold off players before we would commit to buying? Lets be honest what he actually said could have many interpretations.
Meaning of being brave must be different in Argentina then.
 

Hercules

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Perhaps all Poch meant by being brave was not having to wait until we sold off players before we would commit to buying? Lets be honest what he actually said could have many interpretations.
That’s my understanding Trix!
 

chinaman

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To do what others don't dare to try is being brave. To do it our way without over reliance on spending mega bucks is brave. I'm all sold on building our Brave New World.
 

mil1lion

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Why would he come out and say we need to be brave and take risks if that means just doing what we've been doing?
Have we? I dont think we've taken chances on a player like Gomes too much under Poch.
 
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