Andre Gomes

[BC87X]

Surely this is a windup? There are a number of players in our Starting XI that lack at least 2 of these...and their third ain't at WC (whatever that means) level. He is a footballer and we need more of those. Whether he is one of them Poch will determine.

I am all for getting rid of the players in our squad right now that don't posses those skill sets just sell them off. However, we certainly shouldn't go out and collect more mediocrity like you seem to insinuate, but I guess that is were me and you differentiate. Some just want players for the sake of it regardless of quality and just want new players, where as others like me want quality and ability being the primary objective when deciding on who to purchase.

 

[tiger666]

I am all for getting rid of the players in our squad right now that don't posses those skill sets just sell them off. However, we certainly shouldn't go out and collect more mediocrity like you seem to insinuate, but I guess that is were me and you differentiate. Some just want players for the sake of it regardless of quality and just want new players, where as others like me want quality and ability being the primary objective when deciding on who to purchase.

Who should we get instead of Gomes then?

 

[Atomic Flea]

He simply isn't made for the EPL. He lacks the pace, physicality, and technical ability for a CM in the EPL. You can get away with missing one or two of those skill, if you posses one of them at a world class level, which he doesn't.

You will also have a player that needs to first get accustomed to the EPL more importantly get his confidence back and that is questionable if he can even do that with pressure on him to perform from the go and replace one of the fan favorites.

He will be set up for failure if we end up signing him.

Two of his strongest assets ...

 

[HildoSpur]

He simply isn't made for the EPL. He lacks the pace, physicality, and technical ability for a CM in the EPL. You can get away with missing one or two of those skill, if you posses one of them at a world class level, which he doesn't.

You will also have a player that needs to first get accustomed to the EPL more importantly get his confidence back and that is questionable if he can even do that with pressure on him to perform from the go and replace one of the fan favorites.

He will be set up for failure if we end up signing him.

A little ray of sunshine aren't you.

 

[Vitur15]

I am all for getting rid of the players in our squad right now that don't posses those skill sets just sell them off. However, we certainly shouldn't go out and collect more mediocrity like you seem to insinuate, but I guess that is were me and you differentiate. Some just want players for the sake of it regardless of quality and just want new players, where as others like me want quality and ability being the primary objective when deciding on who to purchase.

lol, the last sentence of this comes off as "I'm better and smarter than you"

 

[gavspur]

His beard is too precise, it worries me.

Other than that, I think this would be a HUGE risk to get him right. Is he a better bet than actually trusting in Onomah? After seeing Josh play his favoured position for the young Lions last summer, I’d rather give him a go than spend £22mill on Gomes.. If Poch thinks he can make Gomes play again, then surely he can turn Onomah in to an even better player in his proper position??

Someone like Kovacic is a definite upgrade on our Cm options, Gomes is currently not.

 

[jonnyp]

Surely this is a windup? There are a number of players in our Starting XI that lack at least 2 of these...and their third ain't at WC (whatever that means) level. He is a footballer and we need more of those. Whether he is one of them Poch will determine.

I've seen him multiple times this past season. A complete mediocrity every time. I have no idea why our coach would even entertain the idea of signing this guy.

 

[BC87X]

Who should we get instead of Gomes then?

There is almost a younger carbon copy of Dembele right now in the league and that is Lemina from Southampton. He is very strong, athletic, and a very good and efficient dribbler very much like Dembele. He needs to fine tune his decision making a bit and up the consistency and we would have a monster box-to-box midfielder. I personally think he took too big of a step down to showcase his ability and ended up on a relegation battling team, which didn't help. That is a player I would be much more optimistic about than the likes of Grealish and Gomes, when it comes to our midfield.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

There is almost a younger carbon copy of Dembele right now in the league and that is Lemina from Southampton. He is very strong, athletic, and a very good and efficient dribbler very much like Dembele. He needs to fine tune his decision making a bit and up the consistency and we would have a monster box-to-box midfielder. I personally think he took too big of a step down to showcase his ability and ended up on a relegation battling team, which didn't help. That is a player I would be much more optimistic about than the likes of Grealish and Gomes, when it comes to our midfield.

Hint: We are not looking for a carbon copy of Dembele.

 

[heelspurs]

Hint: We are not looking for a carbon copy of Dembele.

How dare you suggest such sorcery!?! If Dembele, with his respective qualities, was our MF then our new MF needs the same exact qualities...or else he is not our MF. How do you not understand this air-tight logic? If we put another player in the CM with different qualities would we even be Spurs anymore? I suggest you consider this along with your previous stance and re-evaluate your position.

 

[BC87X]

Hint: We are not looking for a carbon copy of Dembele.

Dembele was a player that not only worked in our system, but was instrumental to the way we played, so I am not quite sure why a player of his skill set all of a sudden wouldn't be needed or consider a appropriate replacement. A healthy Dembele would in my opinion be a indefinite fixture in our starting eleven, obviously the only reason he is leaving is the effects our season has on his body, so if we can get a younger and healthier version of him it would a logical decision.

I guess people would rather experiment and tinker with the way we have played and had success with and go after players that aren't good enough for us.

But don't let logic get in the way of your thinking when you get into your little passive-aggressive fit @heelspurs we all do it.

 

[Vitur15]

Dembele has an incredibly rare skill set and because of that you can't just replace him with a "carbon copy". Finding a player who plays a very similar way to Dembele is ridiculously hard, signing a player like that would likely be even harder.
Also, our tactics should not be so rigid and strict that we are only able to replace a departing player with a near exact copy.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Dembele was a player that not only worked in our system, but was instrumental to the way we played, so I am not quite sure why a player of his skill set all of a sudden wouldn't be needed or consider a appropriate replacement. A healthy Dembele would in my opinion be a indefinite fixture in our starting eleven, obviously the only reason he is leaving is the effects our season has on his body, so if we can get a younger and healthier version of him it would a logical decision.

I guess people would rather experiment and tinker with the way we have played and had success with and go after players that aren't good enough for us.

But don't let logic get in the way of your thinking when you get into your little passive-aggressive fit @heelspurs we all do it.

Yes he was instrumental in a system that saw us fail to win. The objective now is to start winning. As such you either need better players in the same system or a new system. We can’t afford better players in the same system so we change system. Exactly in the same way as we did when replacing Modric with Dembele.

 

[Trix]

Yes he was instrumental in a system that saw us fail to win. The objective now is to start winning. As such you either need better players in the same system or a new system. We can’t afford better players in the same system so we change system. Exactly in the same way as we did when replacing Modric with Dembele.

I don't know if we need to change system but we certainly aren't going to get a like for like upgrade on Dembele, and we don't need to. The thing that makes Dembele unique is his ability to transition the ball from defence to the final third with close control, strength and burst of pace. Truth is though it doesn't matter how you transition the ball up field, as long as you do it successfully.

Fergie rarely replaced his star players with like for like carbon copies. Beckham for Ronaldo, Rooney for RVN, Carrick for Keane, etc etc. All he did was replace quality with quality and the team evolved to suit.

 

[JonnySpurs]

How many posters are calling levy a wanker? I can’t see many a lot seem unhappy about the prospect of signing Gomes but if that’s their view then that’s their view.

If you can’t tolerate that maybe you shouldn’t take this forum so seriously

I don't really understand what we're debating anymore.

I wasn't quoting posters verbatim and I think you know that. I've seen people going after Levy because that's essentially the default position to take when we sign players that aren't big names. You can pretend that's not the case if you like, I'm not fussed on that front.
HOWEVER, that wasn't even my main point and that seems to have been lost in your attempts to criticise me for the fact that I don't think it's fair on the player for our fans to write him off when they know nothing about him - THAT was my point.

For the record I take my support of Spurs seriously, I think we all do otherwise we wouldn't spend our time on here debating all things related to the club, so not sure why you're coming after for me for that.

If you have such an issue with what I'm posting then maybe you should just stick me on ignore otherwise let's just agree to disagree.

 

[JonnySpurs]

What you are missing is Barca was panic buying coming out of their TW sanction. Many players have since come out and complained about the leadership purchasing poorly in and around this time. This is partly why they were held to ransom by Mendes for that high fee. They then went back in for Alcacer and were bent over again by Mendes who was upping his Monaco Gambit with Valencia at the time.

I am not against Gomes as he is a competent MF. His recent troubles and representation by Gestifute are causes for concern. I follow Valencia in La Liga and have done since early Emery. I dispute these glowing/excellent reviews of Gomes' time there. He was a promising player of which they have had many during that time. When he went to Barca he was nothing more than what would have been a decent Spurs' transfer. Mendes had his hooks in Valencia at the time and engineered his Valencia loan, then decent-money Valencia purchase (did money actually change hands? Valencia was very broke at the time), and subsequent big-money Barca xfer like he did with many a player after their Euro exploits. And like Gomes all have under-performed at their new clubs.

As I said I am not against this as Poch may be able to put an arm around him and he could be very useful. He is talented beyond anything we have in MF currently. I just his history being revised beyond what it actually was. He was a promising young player that hasn't made the step up. We should move forward with caution as it would bring Mendes under our tent. If Gomes performs well he will be pushing for a move next year.

That's all really good info so I appreciate the reply, it sounds like you know plenty about the player from his time at Valencia.

However, things are spiralling a bit. I'm going to reiterate that my main issue when I posted in this thread originally was that some people on here were getting upset about the prospect of signing a player that they know nothing about. That's it. Sure, I mentioned how Levy tends to get abuse in these situations but that was largely beside the point. I'm also not claiming he's going to be the next Luka Modric for us but I personally see a talented kid that's had a rough time at a big club after a very promising start to his career at Benfica and Valencia. The fact is there have been SO many examples of young players with promise making a move to a big club and it not working out. The trick is whether Poch can salvage his career and help him re-establish his form at Valencia which IMO was pretty good and therefore well worth a look.

You clearly have seen him play and don't seem to be a big fan and hey, that's absolutely cool. If all the people moaning were able to call on hours of game time that they'd seen of him then I'd have had nothing much to say. I'd have probably still said, hey, he's not even signed yet, let's give the kid a chance to prove us all wrong but that's about it.

 

[SuperPav10]

He’s technically a very good footballer, with lots of potential to become top class. Doesn’t feel like he ever played with any freedom at Barca.

It’s easy to compare him to the Dembele we have now, but let’s not forget that pre-Poch, Dembele was pretty ineffective.

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

If this is Dembele’s replacement we have massively downgraded in my eyes, was hoping this was where we would splash most of our budget and improve the first team, but if Poch wants him that is good enough for me.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

If this is Dembele’s replacement we have massively downgraded in my eyes, was hoping this was where we would splash most of our budget and improve the first team, but if Poch wants him that is good enough for me.

Like for like - yes, I totally agree

I think where it becomes a more difficult debate is if we're moving from a two player pivot (i.e. Wanyama/Dier and Dembele) to a three man midfield.

Tricky though, and it does feel a little unsatisfactory at the moment. We're losing Toby and Dembele. Two players that 18 months ago would have made it into a a Premier League select team, and the replacements being talked about with any frequency seem at best talented but inexperienced, mostly with some questions around them and at worst inadequate.

Gomes has talent but he's not done much (for various reasons, largely you would hope through lack of opportunity) for some time

 

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I don't know if we need to change system but we certainly aren't going to get a like for like upgrade on Dembele, and we don't need to. The thing that makes Dembele unique is his ability to transition the ball from defence to the final third with close control, strength and burst of pace. Truth is though it doesn't matter how you transition the ball up field, as long as you do it successfully.

Fergie rarely replaced his star players with like for like carbon copies. Beckham for Ronaldo, Rooney for RVN, Carrick for Keane, etc etc. All he did was replace quality with quality and the team evolved to suit.

He did indeed, Trix, and similarly, we too need to "replace quality with quality". Dembélé's are big shoes to fill, and that's why, understandably, people are a little jittery about the links to Gomes. Perhaps he can , with Poch's guidance, rediscover the "quality" he displayed at Valencia; but I think it's fair to say the jury is out on him. Let's hope, come the end of the transfer window, we can genuinely say we've replaced quality with quality, and not with a collection of low-risk (financially) opportunist grabs. I guess time will tell.