(Another) Interesting Article on AVBs Tactics and How Our Players Will Suit

[StartingPrice]

Should point out that I mean it as a finisher in the air, more than a ball winner in the air

That sounds even more promising

 

[Abdoujaparov]

High line in the premiership? No thanks. I don't care how fast our CBs are I'd rather not give teams a gaping hole between our back four and keeper to play through balls into.

Also, AVB's big mistake at chelsea was to try to make the players fit the system, rather than the system fit the players. The players should always be the number one consideration and tactics should be employed to get the most out of them in a given context. AVB seems to use players to get the most out a particular system which is wrong headed.

Maybe it's partly a function of him never having played the game at a high level. Might naturally lead to a less pragmatic approach. Who knows, who cares? Not me - the key thing is a winning spurs team, but I'm just not sure AVB is the man for the job.

 

[buttons]

Do we think VdV could be deployed as the 'second' striker, playing from the wing? Think he'd be great cutting in and supporting the number 9.

 

[eddiebailey]

Based on that article and our current resources, assuming Modders is off, then I am guessing:

Gomes​

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Walker Kaboul Caulker Assou-Ekottu​

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Sandro​

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Huddlestone Jenas​

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Defoe ????? Bale​

 

[tototoner]

High line in the premiership? No thanks. I don't care how fast our CBs are I'd rather not give teams a gaping hole between our back four and keeper to play through balls into.

Also, AVB's big mistake at chelsea was to try to make the players fit the system, rather than the system fit the players. The players should always be the number one consideration and tactics should be employed to get the most out of them in a given context. AVB seems to use players to get the most out a particular system which is wrong headed.

Maybe it's partly a function of him never having played the game at a high level. Might naturally lead to a less pragmatic approach. Who knows, who cares? Not me - the key thing is a winning spurs team, but I'm just not sure AVB is the man for the job.

I think its a bit of both

Certain managers and clubs always play the same system so that players coming in and out do not changed the overall shape, Ajax , Barcelona and Arsenal are examples

 

[Wolver]

Do we think VdV could be deployed as the 'second' striker, playing from the wing? Think he'd be great cutting in and supporting the number 9.

'Arry played VdV in that roll a number of times last season and at times it left Walker very exposed. You can't fault his work rate, but for me his lack of pace really stood out and hindered his capability to track back.

If Modric does leave I think VdV could replace him as our play maker in a midfield 3, with Parker in the DM position and Sandro next to him doing all the running. This would negate VdV's need to chase players and allow him to concentrate on his attacking qualities.

 

[steve]

Do we think VdV could be deployed as the 'second' striker, playing from the wing? Think he'd be great cutting in and supporting the number 9.

I hope so. That 'article' has him behind defoe, lennon and sig in the pecking order...can't believe that for a second.

 

[eddiebailey]

Beginning to suspect that VdV might be sold if we get a good offer. Keeping on a senior pro who does not naturally fit the preferred system and who is outspoken when played out of position night not be high on AVB's priorities.

 

[steve]

Losing vdv and mod in the same window would be terrible I think. Arguably our 2 best players gone in 1 window. I can't believe people are just accepting this or seem to be because the system comes first. Is sig better than vdv? No chance. And what about the effect on the dressing room when there senior pros go? Tactics are interesting, necessary and important but the dressing room is still vitally important too. If mod and vdv go I think we'll go backwards...

 

[Lucky22]

When you look at it, Bale and Lennon did, many times, play in a more advanced role last season but didn't have the same protection behind them that this formation would represent. In Parker and Sandro you have a superb axis on which to build.

 

[AUSpur]

When you look at it, Bale and Lennon did, many times, play in a more advanced role last season but didn't have the same protection behind them that this formation would represent. In Parker and Sandro you have a superb axis on which to build.

Don't forget, Verts could also play the DM role some allowing Caulker to start alongside Kaboul.

As to AVB at Chelsea, I still think it's VERY possible that AVB was led to believe he had the full support of the oligarch for a long-term project and some of the back four issues were really a battle of wills between AVB & the old guard.

 

[StartingPrice]

Losing vdv and mod in the same window would be terrible I think. Arguably our 2 best players gone in 1 window. I can't believe people are just accepting this or seem to be because the system comes first. Is sig better than vdv? No chance. And what about the effect on the dressing room when there senior pros go? Tactics are interesting, necessary and important but the dressing room is still vitally important too. If mod and vdv go I think we'll go backwards...

It is one of the biggest concerns I have.
It isn't just the idea of losing one this window and the other the next, it is the idea of losing them both in the one window.
But, there aagain, I stand by what I said before the appointment - could we all stand behind the new guy from the off in August, no matter what decisions he makes, and see how it all pans out, rather than being instantly negative.

 

[Abdoujaparov]

It is one of the biggest concerns I have.
It isn't just the idea of losing one this window and the other the next, it is the idea of losing them both in the one window.
But, there aagain, I stand by what I said before the appointment - could we all stand behind the new guy from the off in August, no matter what decisions he makes, and see how it all pans out, rather than being instantly negative.

I think it's fine, healthy even, to question decisions. And bear in mind this is an internet forum!

A winning spurs team and a successful AVB would be fantastic, of course, and we should sing our hearts out in support when spurs take the field. But surely on an internet forum, it's fine to say what we like as long as it's not offensive etc?!

 

[StartingPrice]

I think it's fine, healthy even, to question decisions. And bear in mind this is an internet forum!

A winning spurs team and a successful AVB would be fantastic, of course, and we should sing our hearts out in support when spurs take the field. But surely on an internet forum, it's fine to say what we like as long as it's not offensive etc?!

Then you misnderstood me.
Of course it is fine to question decisions and this is an Internet forum.
I have also, however, seen plenty of discussion switching very rapidly to I know better than the manager/coach, before a given coach's first ever game in charge and that mutating to acute hostility with a tendecy to a pervasive negativity no matter how well that manager does. I am thinking of certain posters on here and our last manager. I am specifically asking for no repeat of that, because for every poster that was bashing their little gonads off for an opportunity to say I told ya so over Mr. Redknapp, there's is at least another again waiting to say the same about Mr AVB. And negativity at games can have a disastrous effect, and is carried through from banter in pubs, clubs, streets, houses, landlines, mobiles and t'Internet MBs.

So, to repeat, I would find it a concern if we sold Modric and Rafa in the one transfer window, for the message it sends out, but that doesn't mean I will be pre-judging the team as doomed before they have even kicked a ball - or based on this season too much at all, personally, just so long as I can see positive signs - but that'sme personally, I'm quite a patient fella. That's all I'm saying. Though, obviously, I can foresee that if it happened, and we got a goalless draw at Newcastle in the opening game, not a bad result in itself, there would still be folk at the ground and on here screaming AVB is sheeeee-ite, AVB is sheeeeeee-ite, we woulda scored if Rafa was playing...he's gonna get us facking relegated <INSERT REPEAT HEAD-BANGING EMOTICON>

 

[hellava_tough]

Losing vdv and mod in the same window would be terrible I think. Arguably our 2 best players gone in 1 window. I can't believe people are just accepting this or seem to be because the system comes first. Is sig better than vdv? No chance. And what about the effect on the dressing room when there senior pros go? Tactics are interesting, necessary and important but the dressing room is still vitally important too. If mod and vdv go I think we'll go backwards...

Okay, it's not ideal, but I don't necessarily think we'll go backwards as long as we find replacements

If we did sell both of them, then we'd end up with something like this for next year:


-------------Friedel-----------

Walker Kaboul Verts-----BAE

-----------Sandro----------

-----Moutinho--Siggurdson---

Lennon--------------------Bale

------------Adebayor----------


Extras for first team: Hudd, Oscar (possibly), Loic (possibly), STRIKER, Dawson,


It's not exactly shocking - still lots of talent in the side and definitely good enough for top 4

 

[steve]

Maybe - if they hit the ground running which is asking a lot. That's the problem with teams on paper and the obsession with tactics and formation (not aiming this at you HT) - they don't take into consideration all the human elements which are so hard to quantify.

Tactics and formation are of course vitally important but sometimes they get emphasised to the nth degree by the likes of Jonathan Wilson because they are a tangible element in a game that has so many intangibles. Even judging players can be very difficult because sometimes it becomes wrong place at the wrong time, players don't settle properly or there families don't, they pick up injuries, managers change, tactics don't suit, they lose form, they struggle emotionally or mentally and they don't produce their best...

Taking 2 senior pros out of the dressing room could have a large effect on the team as a whole. Then again we might be better off without them and replacements in instead. It's hard to quantify. I worry though that their influence on and off the pitch might be hard to replace all in one go and I think we'd certainly suffer in the short term at least. I don't rate Sig at VDV's level although he's a good finisher but overall I don't think he'll have the same influence on the pitch. Moutinho I like and I think what he loses on Mod in some areas he gains in others. But they have to settle quickly and added to the fact these are two pivotal areas within the team and 2 top players it's a massive gap to fill. Losing one is difficult, losing 2 is a problem. All in my opinion of course.