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Jenko

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And you're basing your opinion on what? Just on your gut feeling? To your information Mourinho have sold Mata, Lukaku, Salah and Kevin De Bruyne not to name more.

Yes my gut feeling. The only star there was Mata, the others hadn't done too much to be classed stars at the time. Martial is highly rated by many fans so it does have the potential to embarrass him.
Has Jose ever sold us anyone?
 
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Yes my gut feeling. The only star there was Mata, the others hadn't done too much to be classed stars at the time. Martial is highly rated by many fans so it does have the potential to embarrass him.
Has Jose ever sold us anyone?

Martial is no star either. Lukaku & KDB was rated by Chelsea fans as well.
 

Ossie'sAardvark

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Yes my gut feeling. The only star there was Mata, the others hadn't done too much to be classed stars at the time. Martial is highly rated by many fans so it does have the potential to embarrass him.
Has Jose ever sold us anyone?
It will be in Martial's hands according to most ITK's I've read in the past mate. MU will sell him to us if the trade suits them, otherwise JM will have a harder time attracting others and even worse the club getting a name as bad employers (agents chat). Also players have multiple different legal options to force a move to their desired club. Not saying we are "that club". It's the way it is now bro.

Edit: If we were to get him, I'd imagine he'd be a hit with us.
 
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nickspurs

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Even if he was to get Toby in return, Jose would never let Martial come to us. He's nothing if he's not media savvy and he knows his reputation would take a big hit when Poch turned him into a star.
Maybe but that’s probably a year away. And in Jose’s world that’s eons away. For him, it’s about getting the players he wants right now, to win the league next season at whatever the cost to the club he’s at. He wins the league or CL, everything else is irrelevant.
 

Japhet

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This situation really shows the strength of the EPL. Not strengthening a Top 4 rival is of paramount importance and teams prefer to sell abroad because the margins in England are so tight. If however a team has any asprations to win the Champions League, they should view selling abroad as a big risk as well. They may well come up against their former player at any time. Admittedly they won't automatically face him twice a season, but the possibility is still strong that a former player could inflict damage. There is also the question of how much damage said player could cause to the other Top 4 hopefuls. If Martial were to help us beat City I don't suppose Mourinho would be too displeased.
 

JonnySpurs

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Seems pretty simple to me.

We've wanted Martial since his Monaco days. He ended up at Utd and has had a shit time.

Poch clearly still believes he improves us so if Utd want Toby then we get Martial. If they won't do that deal then they wont get Toby. There will be PLENTY of clubs in for Toby so we won't be short of offers.
 

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No idea who this Tribun Dergi is but he has 1.3m followers. Seems to be a turkish based journo so not sure why he'd know anything about this deal :ROFLMAO:
This guy knows absolutely nothing and shouldn’t be treated like he does. Like quoting that chief Paul O’Keefe.
Whether he does or doesn't, it's all just interesting to post it I think. For the record I think he's been pretty good from what I've seen but I'm certainly not crowning him as ITK if that helps.
I'm confused, are you mixing up Tribun Dergi and Marc Benamramadam?

This Marc guy is a randomer who appeared from nowhere claiming to have info and I've seen fuck all to suggest he's reliable.

Tribun Dergi is a some sort of Turkish media outlet with loads of followers, but also nothing to suggest they'd have any knowledge about our transfer dealings whatsoever.
 

JonnySpurs

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I'm confused, are you mixing up Tribun Dergi and Marc Benamramadam?

This Marc guy is a randomer who appeared from nowhere claiming to have info and I've seen fuck all to suggest he's reliable.

Tribun Dergi is a some sort of Turkish media outlet with loads of followers, but also nothing to suggest they'd have any knowledge about our transfer dealings whatsoever.

Come on, obviously I'm not mixing them up. I was just posting some tweets I saw that were referring to the same rumour but whilst I've seen this Marc fella before and I know he tweets a lot of ITK style stuff, I've never heard of this Turkish media outlet.

With all due respect, who does have any knowledge about our transfer dealings? Outside of Matt Law or Darren Lewis and even then it's hardly reliable. All of this is speculation and sure, possibly BS but does it matter?

I personally have no proof that any ITK on this website is actually genuine either but I like their info nonetheless. In my view it's all part of the fun of seeing these rumours gather pace.

You seem to be annoyed that I've posted the tweets but it's not like I said, "look at these tweets, this must mean this is definitely going to happen".
 

THFCSPURS19

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Come on, obviously I'm not mixing them up. I was just posting some tweets I saw that were referring to the same rumour but whilst I've seen this Marc fella before and I know he tweets a lot of ITK style stuff, I've never heard of this Turkish media outlet.

With all due respect, who does have any knowledge about our transfer dealings? Outside of Matt Law or Darren Lewis and even then it's hardly reliable. All of this is speculation and sure, possibly BS but does it matter?

I personally have no proof that any ITK on this website is actually genuine either but I like their info nonetheless. In my view it's all part of the fun of seeing these rumours gather pace.

You seem to be annoyed that I've posted the tweets but it's not like I said, "look at these tweets, this must mean this is definitely going to happen".
I mean all of the main media outlets bar the Daily Express, Metro and Daily Star can be reliable. A few international outlets as well.

I'm not annoyed, just saying the sources you posted aren't reliable from what I've seen.

And imo it does matter if people just post stuff from any site or journalist, because then people can end up having meltdowns or get super excited for no reason.
 

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Come on, obviously I'm not mixing them up. I was just posting some tweets I saw that were referring to the same rumour but whilst I've seen this Marc fella before and I know he tweets a lot of ITK style stuff, I've never heard of this Turkish media outlet.

With all due respect, who does have any knowledge about our transfer dealings? Outside of Matt Law or Darren Lewis and even then it's hardly reliable. All of this is speculation and sure, possibly BS but does it matter?

I personally have no proof that any ITK on this website is actually genuine either but I like their info nonetheless. In my view it's all part of the fun of seeing these rumours gather pace.

You seem to be annoyed that I've posted the tweets but it's not like I said, "look at these tweets, this must mean this is definitely going to happen".
I think all of these people like Marc and Ricky Sacks or whatever his name is do the same, they just pass on info that they have read and sometimes pass it off as there own and sometimes just re tweet, anyone could do that to be fair
 

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I don't understand how a swap deal where both sides aren't happy selling to a rival would work. What's stopping Utd signing Toby then last minute pulling plug on Martial deal, what's stopping us signing Martial then pushing Toby to Barca? They'd all have to be in room same time pushing fax at exactly same time. Or some sort of hostage swap on a bridge.
I don't trust Mourinho at all, can you even put something like that in a contract that the deal is nulled if Martial never arrived.
 

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I don't understand how a swap deal where both sides aren't happy selling to a rival would work. What's stopping Utd signing Toby then last minute pulling plug on Martial deal, what's stopping us signing Martial then pushing Toby to Barca? They'd all have to be in room same time pushing fax at exactly same time. Or some sort of hostage swap on a bridge.
I don't trust Mourinho at all, can you even put something like that in a contract that the deal is nulled if Martial never arrived.

It's complex indeed. However didn't we do a swap deal with Swansea with Sigurdsson for Davies + Vorm? It wasn't a straight swap as cash was involved but the deal hinged on Sigurdsson going there and Davies + Vorm ending up here. So I guess it's doable.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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I don't understand how a swap deal where both sides aren't happy selling to a rival would work. What's stopping Utd signing Toby then last minute pulling plug on Martial deal, what's stopping us signing Martial then pushing Toby to Barca? They'd all have to be in room same time pushing fax at exactly same time. Or some sort of hostage swap on a bridge.
I don't trust Mourinho at all, can you even put something like that in a contract that the deal is nulled if Martial never arrived.
I’d imagine it wouldn’t officially be a swap deal. Similar story to Sanchez and Mkhitaryan in January where two simultaneous deals maybe lead to each side giving a bit in negotiations.
 

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I don't understand how a swap deal where both sides aren't happy selling to a rival would work. What's stopping Utd signing Toby then last minute pulling plug on Martial deal, what's stopping us signing Martial then pushing Toby to Barca? They'd all have to be in room same time pushing fax at exactly same time. Or some sort of hostage swap on a bridge.
I don't trust Mourinho at all, can you even put something like that in a contract that the deal is nulled if Martial never arrived.

The contract between the clubs wouldn't be valid unless all parties agree to the deal. The situation you outline above could never happen.
 

Riandor

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After watching an interview with a French journalist on why Martial was left out I am not so keen on him. He basically said Martial did not train 100% and appeared disinterested when he joined up with the group. Dechamps questioned Martial mental strength and desire..
Sounds like a depressed man who needs a change of scenery, perhaps Deschamps, the slimy fucker, ought to consider his words better.
Responding to these qoutes in the Martial thread (from the GB thread)...

This works a little both ways. Martial could have seen joining up with the French squad as a chance to escape his issues at Man United, but clearly he is unhappy and it shows. Guy is still young and clearly wears his heart on his sleeve a Little. Definitely needs to change club and rediscover his enjoyment factor.

Deschamps is a bit of a twit though (putting it nicely).
 
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KenTHFC

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Responding to these qoutes in the Martial thread (from the GB thread)...

This works a Little both ways. Martial could have seen joining up with the French squad as a chance to escape his issues at Man United, but clearly he is unhappy and it Shows. Guy is still young and clearly wears his heart on his sleeve a Little. Definitely needs to change club and rediscover his enjoyment factor.

Deschamps is a bit of a twit though (putting it nicely).
Also can't ignore the effect of Mourinho on every attacker at United. Martial, Sanchez, Pogba, Rashford, Mkhitaryan when he was there and Lukaku have all been affected by his outdated style of play. 2 of those just named are world beaters on their day, and Mourinho is just murdering them. If Martial came, Poch would get him enjoying his football again
 

Riandor

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Also can't ignore the effect of Mourinho on every attacker at United. Martial, Sanchez, Pogba, Rashford, Mkhitaryan when he was there and Lukaku have all been affected by his outdated style of play. 2 of those just named are world beaters on their day, and Mourinho is just murdering them. If Martial came, Poch would get him enjoying his football again
Agree, but sometimes players/people have to take These issues into their own hands. As someone who in the past wasn't afraid to look miserable when I didn't think I was being appreciated etc... I have found that in career environment this always works against you. Doesn't matter how good you are or could be, people only want PMA when assessing who deserves what.
 
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