Anthony Martial

[BigPlimpton]

Alternatively, Toby is the key to us getting someone who could be one of the best players in the world. He can join them for less in 12 months and Martial goes elsewhere. We miss out.

You seem to be talking past each other. He's saying if Toby is the key, then fine. Use the key and go and get the player. Great

IF Toby is not the key because they won't sell their key players to a title rival, because they think they are above all that, then f*ck Yanited, Toby can stay another year and use his release clause next summer and go wherever he please because we're not going to whore out world class players to Manchester for an extra 20M.

 

[tiger666]

You seem to be talking past each other. He's saying if Toby is the key, then fine. Use the key and go and get the player. Great

IF Toby is not the key because they won't sell their key players to a title rival, because they think they are above all that, then f*ck Yanited, Toby can stay another year and use his release clause next summer and go wherever he please because we're not going to whore out world class players to Manchester for an extra 20M.

Yeah I know what he's saying. In that scenario we still miss out on a player that could be one of the best in the world just to prove a point. Then Toby can join them in a year for less regardless.

 

[BigPlimpton]

Yeah I know what he's saying. In that scenario we still miss out on a player that could be one of the best in the world just to prove a point. Then Toby can join them in a year for less regardless.

Point? If Yanited refuse to sell to us, we will not be able to purchase the player. So...I guess I couldn't agree more? When he goes on to become a Ronaldo-type player at Juve or whatever, it will really, really suck that Yanited refused to sell to us. Doesn't mean I want to help Maureen win a title next year by selling him a world class center half when I don't have to do so now. One bears zero relationship to the other.

 

[Donki]

Yeah I know what he's saying. In that scenario we still miss out on a player that could be one of the best in the world just to prove a point. Then Toby can join them in a year for less regardless.

I think Jose is desperate for a CB this window and they will definitely get one so IMO it’s this window or never for them and Toby IMO.

 

[kitchen]

Mate, I really don't think you need to worry too / so much about whether the problem is Martial or Mourinho.

Rashford burst onto the scene under Fergie, scored for fun, called up for his country & did the same. Had assists, link up play, finishing, speed & strength. Now he's broken & doesn't look comparable to that exciting kid Fergie gave a debut to just a couple of years ago. Mourinho broke him.

Martial, Already described quite fucking superbly by @Luka Van der Bale .. Now look at him. Slumped shoulders, no fire. Mourinho broke him.

Sanchez - Ex Gooner or not, while he was playing for that shower from down the road, he was unquestionably one of the most exciting players in the PL, if not Europe & beyond. Had it all, speed, skill, tenacity, finishing. Singlehandedly winning matches. Now look at him. Going through the motions, seemingly lost in his surroundings & pretty much just floating through games (unless he's at Wembley, what's that all about? Weird!). Mourinho broke him.

Pogba - They paid that sum and he had all the previous reviews and praise for a reason. The lad is one of the biggest talents in world football & his performances in Italy proved that. Another player who had the ability to do what others couldn't, skill, strength, pace. And he used them! Now look at him, a shadow, out of sync, moody (I accept he's always had a dodgy temper). Mourinho broke him.

If I could be arsed I could probably keep going, but hopefully my point is made. I can't stand the moody ****. Mourinho is, in my opinion, an egotistical, jumped up **** with an unbelievable ability to suffer delusions of grandeur beyond anything or anyone I've seen in football before. Mourinho is literally anti-football.

Hope that's put your mind at ease a little at least COYS

To add to that. I actually think that Mourinho might be a terrible judge of talent ... I remember watching De Bruyne at Chelsea thinking 'wow, this kid's got the lot - passing ability, technique, vision, tenacity.' He was hardly used, loaned out in Germany and then sold to Wolfsburg. I wasn't suprised at all to see the numbers of goals and assists he was racking up in Germany prior to his megabucks move to City. Mourinho had him and sold him.

Salah admittedly I didn't think would end up as good as he is now, but was always another player that had such rare and useful qualities that I can't see why you wouldn't play him more. Searing pace, low centre of gravity, acceleration, close control, good left foot. Always looked dangerous in any team and has hurt us a few times over the years. Mourinho had him and sold him...

Mourinho has little time for players that actually create and do effective things because his method of coaching football is to start by not losing. Not by actually trying to win, and I suspect both those players were sold by Mourinho because they were more interested in creating and scoring than stopping the opponent from scoring.

 

[rossdapep]

To add to that. I actually think that Mourinho might be a terrible judge of talent ... I remember watching De Bruyne at Chelsea thinking 'wow, this kid's got the lot - passing ability, technique, vision, tenacity.' He was hardly used, loaned out in Germany and then sold to Wolfsburg. I wasn't suprised at all to see the numbers of goals and assists he was racking up in Germany prior to his megabucks move to City. Mourinho had him and sold him.

Salah admittedly I didn't think would end up as good as he is now, but was always another player that had such rare and useful qualities that I can't see why you wouldn't play him more. Searing pace, low centre of gravity, acceleration, close control, good left foot. Always looked dangerous in any team and has hurt us a few times over the years. Mourinho had him and sold him...

Mourinho has little time for players that actually create and do effective things because his method of coaching football is to start by not losing. Not by actually trying to win and I suspect both those players were sold by Mourinho because they were more interested in creating and scoring than stopping the opponent from scoring.

He doesn't like players who take risks. It's all about total control for him.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I suspect both those players were sold by Mourinho because they were more interested in creating and scoring than stopping the opponent from scoring.

But this is the same for Poch, one of the reasons Lucas hasn’t been playing is because the defensive side of his game is nonexistent. Poch wants all his attackers to track back and put in the hard yards.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

But this is the same for Poch, one of the reasons Lucas hasn’t been playing is because the defensive side of his game is nonexistent. Poch wants all his attackers to track back and put in the hard yards.

This isn’t strictly true. Might be pedantic, but Poch’s primary focus isn’t defence - it’s fitness and workrate. If you believe he focuses on that for defensive reasons fair enough, but imo Pochettino thinks that’s what helps his teams dominate in both attack and defence. And he very much encourages his players to take risks in attack (which Jose very much does not), safe in the knowledge that if they lose the ball we have a structure which will allow us to have the ball back in our possession very soon.

 

[Hans Gruber]

You seem to be talking past each other. He's saying if Toby is the key, then fine. Use the key and go and get the player. Great

IF Toby is not the key because they won't sell their key players to a title rival, because they think they are above all that, then f*ck Yanited, Toby can stay another year and use his release clause next summer and go wherever he please because we're not going to whore out world class players to Manchester for an extra 20M.

But then we have £25m rather than £50m to invest in the squad. And Alderweireld can end up at United in a year's time anyway, or worse, at Chelsea or Liverpool.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

I don't think I've ever truly thought we should with hold a players potential move before . We were a different club then, we are now competing. IMO this is the moment, as Poch said "to be brave", I'd tell MU to not contact us again, we aren't interested in Martial (even tho I think he'd improve us) . And don't even bother sniffing around Rose if he has a good WC.
If we are going to be big. We have to start acting it.

 

[Japhet]

To add to that. I actually think that Mourinho might be a terrible judge of talent ... I remember watching De Bruyne at Chelsea thinking 'wow, this kid's got the lot - passing ability, technique, vision, tenacity.' He was hardly used, loaned out in Germany and then sold to Wolfsburg. I wasn't suprised at all to see the numbers of goals and assists he was racking up in Germany prior to his megabucks move to City. Mourinho had him and sold him.

Salah admittedly I didn't think would end up as good as he is now, but was always another player that had such rare and useful qualities that I can't see why you wouldn't play him more. Searing pace, low centre of gravity, acceleration, close control, good left foot. Always looked dangerous in any team and has hurt us a few times over the years. Mourinho had him and sold him...

Mourinho has little time for players that actually create and do effective things because his method of coaching football is to start by not losing. Not by actually trying to win and I suspect both those players were sold by Mourinho because they were more interested in creating and scoring than stopping the opponent from scoring.

He's also bought some proper shit in his time like Kezman and Kalou to name but 2.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

But then we have £25m rather than £50m to invest in the squad. And Alderweireld can end up at United in a year's time anyway, or worse, at Chelsea or Liverpool.

We'll still have another window to sell though, Arsenal still got big money for Sanchez with six months left.

If we really want Martial we need to hold firm on it.

 

[Hans Gruber]

We'll still have another window to sell though, Arsenal still got big money for Sanchez with six months left.

If we really want Martial we need to hold firm on it.

They didn't get big money for Sanchez, he left in a swap deal for a guy who'd flopped in the PL.

 

[allatsea]

They didn't get big money for Sanchez, he left in a swap deal for a guy who'd flopped in the PL.

Dreadful bit of business that

 

[Ghost Hardware]

This isn’t strictly true. Might be pedantic, but Poch’s primary focus isn’t defence - it’s fitness and workrate. If you believe he focuses on that for defensive reasons fair enough, but imo Pochettino thinks that’s what helps his teams dominate in both attack and defence. And he very much encourages his players to take risks in attack (which Jose very much does not), safe in the knowledge that if they lose the ball we have a structure which will allow us to have the ball back in our possession very soon.

Obviously their philosophies are completely different, I wasn't saying they were the same at all, but he still wants all his attackers to track back, press and defend when not in possession. It's is key for Poch, you need to give yourself to both sides of the game. It's the reason why he rates Lamela. Jose plays a counter system that can be stifling for his attackers were as Poch plays possession which naturaly is a lot more enjoyable for attacking players.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

They didn't get big money for Sanchez, he left in a swap deal for a guy who'd flopped in the PL.

We'll get more than the 25m though, point is theres no need to panic.

I think the message holding firm would send out would be worth far more over the next 4-5 years than the extra 20-25m, which we could potentially still get anyway.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Mourinho has little time for players that actually create and do effective things because his method of coaching football is to start by not losing. Not by actually trying to win and I suspect both those players were sold by Mourinho because they were more interested in creating and scoring than stopping the opponent from scoring.

Excellent post, couldn't agree more & the bit that I've made bold is literally how I describe Mourinho myself.

 

[JB_Spurs]

We'll still have another window to sell though, Arsenal still got big money for Sanchez with six months left.

If we really want Martial we need to hold firm on it.

But why would anyone come in with a mega offer in January when they know they can get him for a fixed price in 6 months time?

 

[Japhet]

But why would anyone come in with a mega offer in January when they know they can get him for a fixed price in 6 months time?

Maybe because there would be a proper bun fight for his signature when the 25m clause kicks in.

 

[jamie4589]

the sun on Sunday saying he's opened talks of a new deal at United ??