What's new

Anthony Martial

mattyspurs

It is what it is
Jan 31, 2005
15,280
9,893
To tell you the truth i don't really understand that. I'm no financial wizard, but if i was broke the best time to get money would be ASAP.
I also don't understand why he'd be playing friendlies for Villa (chance of injury)
Please don't interrupt this as itk bashing , or being facetious, i really don't understand what he means. I would ask him but don't want to be banned, or misconstrued.
The way I see it, and I might be wrong. I’m presuming Villa need to be careful with how much money they are actually showing from this transfer, because the creditors will be all over it straight away.

I can only imagine the hold up is now from them for the reason.

This is what I can garner from @Trix ITK
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
3,212
8,169
My friend you've made your point in an informative and articulate manner, and I appreciate that, i just can't abide by your views, at least not for every target.
For instance please explain the Grealish hold up?
Thanks for engaging in a civil manner. Not a given on the internet.

I have no specialist insights into the way football transfers are negotiated or the way in which this particular deal has been handled. I do know that these things are complex and i could imagine all sorts of issues. I am not going to assume it is a problem with our negotiating strategy.

Itk suggests it is villa holding it up. Perhaps they want to use some of the money to re-invest first to make the selling of Grealish politically acceptable? Perhaps there are legal issues? Idk because I have no specialist knowledge but I’m not going to assume we must be the causenof the holdup without any evidence...
 

ebzrascal

Well-Known Member
Sep 13, 2009
2,635
4,670
You know almost nothing about what it takes to complete a transfer, the kinds of problems that can hold up a transfer or Levy’s motivations when negotiating a transfer.

Therefore you are not in a position to speak so strongly.
We do know that it takes Levy longer than almost any other club to complete deals
 

Ray Ray

Well-Known Member
Jan 15, 2018
548
2,240
We do know that it takes Levy longer than almost any other club to complete deals

How do we know it's Levy's fault?

Maybe selling clubs hold out in the hope some other clubs come in and drive the price up? Maybe a player has sights set on a different club, and their offer never materialises?

So many factors in a transfer impact on timing, I understand the frustration about transfers taking an age, but ultimately it's the only way we can compete for players that other big clubs can just gazump our offer and wages.
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
3,212
8,169
We do know that it takes Levy longer than almost any other club to complete deals
See @branchie

We don’t know when deals are concluded with great accuracy. For example itk suggests we tied up Alli’s contract before the world cup but it hasn’t been announced yet.

We certainly don’t know when levy starts negotiating.

We do know that actually there is a lengthy sounding process for all transfers before a bid is even placed.
 

TheAmerican

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2012
6,909
18,760
It must be incredibly frustrating to watch your country win the World Cup, knowing that you are talented enough to be in the squad. Maybe he'll start kicking up a fuss.
 

panoma

Well-Known Member
Jan 16, 2012
3,901
12,188
It must be incredibly frustrating to watch your country win the World Cup, knowing that you are talented enough to be in the squad. Maybe he'll start kicking up a fuss.

Agree. Only reason he's not there is because Mourinho bought Sanchez and replaced Martial who was in great form. He's probably not Mourinhos biggest fan at the moment ?
 

BigPlimpton

Well-Known Member
Dec 25, 2017
175
668
There has been some recent social media activity of Martial training with United and laughing and smiling, both on the player’s social media feeds two days ago and on the MUFC Official feed yesterday. He also is in the MUFC squad traveling to the USA.

Doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but none of that is generally consistent with a player on the move any time soon.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
26,895
45,043
There has been some recent social media activity of Martial training with United and laughing and smiling, both on the player’s social media feeds two days ago and on the MUFC Official feed yesterday. He also is in the MUFC squad traveling to the USA.

Doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but none of that is generally consistent with a player on the move any time soon.
Unless he's happy because he is confident he is leaving.
 

cyrilcyh

Member
Aug 31, 2012
16
31
There has been some recent social media activity of Martial training with United and laughing and smiling, both on the player’s social media feeds two days ago and on the MUFC Official feed yesterday. He also is in the MUFC squad traveling to the USA.

Doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but none of that is generally consistent with a player on the move any time soon.

Wanting and planning to leave your current job doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be sad and angry when you are with your colleagues all the time I supposed. Like you said, it probably doesn’t indicate anything.
 

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
10,400
12,476
I don't know the kind of problems that can hold up a transfer but I know this everyone bar Everton, Burnley and ourselves have completed at least one transfer. Some clubs have completed numerous transfers.
I don't Levy's motivations but from past windows i believe his modus operandi is to sign players for the best price possible, everything else be damned. Fine tactic when all you're concerned with is the bottom line, but when building a team it can, and probably has been detrimental. Poch himself has stated how important his preseason is to a players integration into his system. This could be even more important this year with many players tired after a hard world cup, and yet we've added no one.

no it's to fit Poch's plan, and if the said players are not available in the budget we can't sign them.

don't know if you have been asleep since the close season, but apparently we put in an offer for de Ligt, but Ajax now not only want an auction, but want to be loaned back the player for 2 seasons. we have made enquiries for Martial, but Man u don't want to sell him or not to us anyway (don't come back with we shouldn't sell Toby to them, a big difference Toby is for SALE).

we was told at the start we had a budget of £150, but expect to get in the region of 100m back in sales. the only 2 players mentioned in the press or anywhere about players leaving or any approaches has been for Toby, and Dembele (both just got home from the WC).

with Grealish the reason was explained by @Trix but to of done the deal earlier from the ITK we have had, the main prob has been about the structure. We are not Man U, Man C, or even Chelsea that we can just throw money at everything
 
Last edited:

barry

Bring me Messi
May 22, 2005
6,505
15,345
with Grealish the reason was explained by @Trix but to of done the deal earlier from the ITK we have had, the main prob has been about the structure. We are not Man U, Man C, or even Chelsea that we can just throw money at everything

So only Chelsea, Man U, and Man City have the financial clout to buy a player from a bankrupt championship club early?

Other teams seem to have done it. Don't delude yourself. We could have got this over the line a lot earlier but Levy wants to bleed Villa, not due to financial restraints which would be detrimental to our great club, but because he can't help himself.
 

Spartan Spurs

MOLLON LAVEH
May 20, 2015
279
905
So only Chelsea, Man U, and Man City have the financial clout to buy a player from a bankrupt championship club early?

Other teams seem to have done it. Don't delude yourself. We could have got this over the line a lot earlier but Levy wants to bleed Villa, not due to financial restraints which would be detrimental to our great club, but because he can't help himself.

@barry I don't wish to come across as confrontational but do you know the underlined above as absolute fact? If so, how?

There may be some truth in what you're saying, but I tend to believe this is more Villa dealing with its issues.

And say we do get Grealish near the end of this window for £20M-£25M, would you have been happier if we paid £40-£45 to get it over the line earlier?
 
Last edited:

Karlinho

Well-Known Member
Jan 2, 2013
159
341
To tell you the truth i don't really understand that. I'm no financial wizard, but if i was broke the best time to get money would be ASAP.
I also don't understand why he'd be playing friendlies for Villa (chance of injury)
Please don't interrupt this as itk bashing , or being facetious, i really don't understand what he means. I would ask him but don't want to be banned, or misconstrued.

barry, if at this very late point in time you do not understand why it is Villa clearly and quite simply want to delay news of this transfer, do not expect me, for one, to answer that for you, because I too haven't the slightest clue why they would do such a thing.

Okay?!?!!
 

barry

Bring me Messi
May 22, 2005
6,505
15,345
@barry I don't wish to come across as confrontational but do you know the underlined above as absolute fact? If so, how?

There may be some truth in what you're saying, but I tend to believe this is more Villa dealing with its issues.

And say we do get Grealish near the end of this window for £20M-£25M, would you have been happier if we paid £40-£45 to get it over the line earlier?

Who has absolute facts? I'm using circumstantial evidence from Levy's tenure in charge to make a hypothesis which i believe is most likely correct. Much of this is based on quotes from people who've had transfer dealings with him, and how we as fans have seen transfers play out over the many years.

How can delaying accepting money, for a transfer you've supposedly already agreed to, help your issues?
Why risk injuring your most saleable asset in a friendly, if the sale had been agreed?

Once true negotiations had began I truly believe Villa's valuation and our own might have been up to 2 million apart; I doubt very much it's the 20 million you suggest. But Levy has to win, so he drags it out. I have no proof of this, just what i believe.
 
Last edited:

Lighty64

I believe
Aug 24, 2010
10,400
12,476
So only Chelsea, Man U, and Man City have the financial clout to buy a player from a bankrupt championship club early?

Other teams seem to have done it. Don't delude yourself. We could have got this over the line a lot earlier but Levy wants to bleed Villa, not due to financial restraints which would be detrimental to our great club, but because he can't help himself.

No but they would have the 15-30m up front, and not have to mess around with a structure of 2-4 payments

There are only 3-4 teams in the premier that can pay for a player in 1 hit, wet spam have spent around 70m, I bet that isn’t what has left their bank account
 
Top