Appalling that Lloris was allowed to stay on

[Ironskullll]

I'm not going to add anything more as I've already said enough but can people please stop the, 'Well you clearly know more than the professionals' line. I've read enough today in papers and websites, plus enough talk on radio to know that not one professional has come out and said, 'Spurs got it spot on'. All day long I've heard and seen from charity organisations, doctors, professors, all of whom have been critical of the way the situation was handled (AVB, Referee, Spurs medical staff). So, whilst I and some others have no medical training to back up what we are saying, numerous highly qualified individuals (As qualified as our medical staff) have all come out saying the same as others on this site.

Oh and again, how tough Hugo is has nothing to do with the situation, it is commendable, but it shouldn't have been his decision to make - like going to A&E with a broken ankle then telling the doctor they are a dick for suggesting a cast.

I heard one on five live; and he added that we ought to respect the medical team that did so well in the Mwamba incident. He also pointed out that this was the 3rd such incident of its kind in the PL this season (though I can't recall the others; one apparently involved an Arsenal player). I can't recall a single death ever in football due to a head injury in an incident such as this. However, what is far more common, and for which there is a heap of evidence, is that too many headers definitely can cause brain injury. One of the best publicised cases was that of Jeff Astle. If that presents such a danger should we band heading? Saying that, I'm not trying to be deliberately provocative here, only pointing out that issues such as these are hard to judge from a distance....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01ftq2x

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

I posted this on a different forum last night

I definitely think the fact that it's AVB has something to do with it. had it been 'Arry, he'd have given one of his "hilarious" cheeky-chappy soundbites after the game, and all the talk would've been about what a great man-manager he is, and how it demonstrated how players would run through brick walls for him etc.

same thing with what he said about the fans last week, he got so much stick over it when it was actually fair comment, and he insulted no-one. but when 'Arry called the fans idiots who had never had it so good, everyone agreed with him.

we are playing abysmally at the moment, but getting results. once we lose 2 or 3 games, I totally expect to start reading about how AVB is facing a player revolt, has lost the dressing-room etc just like at the beginning of last season.

and now this morning in the Sun

JAN VERTONGHEN has taken a swipe at Spurs boss Andre Villas-Boas in a clash over tactics.

The £8million Belgian star is angry at being played out of position as an emergency left-back....

I don't doubt that some people have raised legitimate concerns about Sunday and the wider debate about head injuries etc, but even a fool can see that for the most part, this media storm is just another part of this AVB agenda

 

[CowInAComa]

I posted this on a different forum last night



and now this morning in the Sun



I don't doubt that some people have raised legitimate concerns about Sunday and the wider debate about head injuries etc, but even a fool can see that for the most part, this media storm is just another part of this AVB agenda

Yeah there is definitely an anti-AvB agenda. Seemingly the agenda is without agenda.

There is always the Ecuadorian embassy for him if things get really out of hand.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

 

[Legend10]

Maybe random groups are jumping on a bandwagon.

Doesn't change the fact that a Spurs player was knocked out then allowed to play on despite a number of qualified people disagreeing with the decision.

So, I disagree this has been blown out of proportion, from a medical perspective I think it's a very pertinent question.

Earlier in this thread you said your colleague in A&E, therefore it's safe to presume that you work for the NHS?

 

[faymantaray]

Out of interest who would have gone in goal had we used all our 3 subs? I'm picturing Walker..

 

[Legend10]

Out of interest who would have gone in goal had we used all our 3 subs? I'm picturing Walker..

Lennon

 

[ethanedwards]

Out of interest who would have gone in goal had we used all our 3 subs? I'm picturing Walker..

Hoddle. He was ok could ,still get into the squad mow that Hart is imploding.

 

[Adam]

3 things on this from me.

I don't understand the 'so, if any two players bang their heads, they should go off then, should they?' question. I don't think anyone is saying that; simply that if you are unconscious, you should be substituted as a rule (even if you give the team a free substitution for it as it is something you can't really legislate for.)

Secondly, had something, heaven forbid, happened to Lloris since the incident, who is criminally liable for negligence? If it was the doctor, then I can't believe he allowed him to continue. I have to say that if it was me, I think I would have gone and sat in the centre circle or something until Lloris went off, and not risk my career! I'd be interested to know who is liable, and if that person had the final say.

Thirdly. Lloris was not 'rock solid' on his feet when he got up. The doctor, and I think Dawson were walking him off the pitch for about a minute, and only then he kicked up a fuss about going off, which would suggest that it took him a little while to come around after the collision.

Either way, I don't agree that he stayed on, even if it won us a point in November. To even mention that as a 'positive' of the situation is a bit daft, considering someone's health was at risk.

 

[chrissivad]

Out of interest who would have gone in goal had we used all our 3 subs? I'm picturing Walker..

If i remember right..

During training the players do have a shot in goals, think i have heard that Sandro and Walker have both been in, and saw Holtby in a photo pulling off a great save

 

[faymantaray]

People saying that he won us a point are not necessarily correct. Had Friedel come on, the resulting free kick he would have taken would have been different from the one Lloris took and hence the rest of the game would have played out differently. We might even have won.

It's like that horrible expression that everyone uses, 'could have been 4 or 5 nil up' because of a few good chances missed. That doesn't make sense because had one of the chances gone in, the necessity for a kick off would have caused the entire rest of the game to be different, in form and mindset, and all following chances would not have happened, or not in the same way at least.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

People saying that he won us a point are not necessarily correct. Had Friedel come on, the resulting free kick he would have taken would have been different from the one Lloris took and hence the rest of the game would have played out differently. We might even have won.

It's like that horrible expression that everyone uses, 'could have been 4 or 5 nil up' because of a few good chances missed. That doesn't make sense because had one of the chances gone in, the necessity for a kick off would have caused the entire rest of the game to be different, in form and mindset, and all following chances would not have happened, or not in the same way at least.

The butterfly effect

 

[glacierSpurs]

AVB witch hunters from the media are reviving..

 

[SandroClegane]

Defending the decision to keep on Lloris with "well we saved Muamba" is a bit silly, no?

Completely independent from each other.

 

[DiamondLites]

Didn't Lukaku get knocked out and carry on playing a few weeks and they were all laughing and joking about it on MOTD?

 

[Legend10]

Didn't Lukaku get knocked out and carry on playing a few weeks and they were all laughing and joking about it on MOTD?

And Huth, now some idiots saying Spurs could be in deep trouble.

You probably don't remember it as nobody said anything about it.

 

[Legend10]

No doubt we will be slaughtered again if he plays on Sunday!

 

[Adam]

These things always become more of an issue when the game is on Sky, rightly or wrongly. And also, those who kicked up a fuss on Twitter about Lloris also said the same about Lukaku.

 

[parklane1]

AVB witch hunters from the media are reviving..

Some never went away.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

just remembered....Lloris also (accidentally) knocked out Michu last season in a game that was televised on Sky. Michu carried on playing, no-one slaughtered Swansea or Michael Laudrup for not taking him off immediately.