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Mister Jez

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Lawyers will have paperwork. And in this day and age I would be very surprised if it wasn't all electronic, or if not, have been scanned on to a document management system.
My point exactly.... but you put in much better than I did ☺
 

whitesocks

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Is this really a serious question...... cannot believe anybody would be that naive, to believe there is one copy of the appeal, and that's kept in the filing cabinet of a sheet metal company. C'mon fella, think about this for just a minute.......

If there isn't much to Archway's appeal, then it is hardly to their advantage that the material is held that securely. It is better off as ashes, especially if it wins them a delay.
I can go away and think about it for another minute if you like.
 

SpurSince57

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A judge ruling on what? The CPO - no, not involved. An insurance claim - no, not involved.

The question was, what if Archway come out with some sob story at the appeal about wanting to rebuild their business on the existing site. The judge would have to respond, and, one hopes, would dismiss it as time-wasting nonsense.
 

weststandvoice

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The question was, what if Archway come out with some sob story at the appeal about wanting to rebuild their business on the existing site. The judge would have to respond, and, one hopes, would dismiss it as time-wasting nonsense.

The judge won't be involved in telling people where to rebuild. It's all about how robust the Secretary Of State's overturning of the CPO's investigating officer's report.

The CPO isn't about the fire. It is about the land.

If Archway start whining about the fire in relation to the CPO, I would imagine the judge would telll the same. They could, of their own volition demolish the factory (it is theirs, they can do what they want to it) and that wouldn't effect things either.

Archway may well be lying - but their objections are primarily focused upon the legitimacy of the CPO in terms of the affordable housing and the impact of the NPD on the bough. Both of which Pickles chose to overrule.

If the judge is interested in the law, then he'll side with the Inspector's findings.
 

Bobbins

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Anyone get a needle in their mind tonight thinking the pitch invasion/professional trolling thing might have been arranged or funded by Archway either as revenge for the fire or in addition to them starting the fire themselves?

It's like the X-Files in my head at the moment.

E.g. I'm a big tease who promises a lot but never puts out.
 

phil

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Lol, I've no idea who originally fed you Britons that crock of shit but it isn't even close to true. Only roughly 30% of us own firearms, and a massive percentage of that is people living in rural areas. It's clear you're a smart fella 57, I know good n well you can see past media-fed bullshit ;)

But hell naw man the government harshing on my freedoms is far scarier than my right to bear arms against communism and jihad. :mad:

Actually 34% of Americans own firearms but if you exclude the under 18's, it is closer to 50%. There are over 310,000,000 legally held firearms in the US; approximately one for every man, woman and child. I've not seen any statistics to support the claim that most firearms are held by people living in rural areas.

My youngest son lives in the US and is married to an American. Earlier this year I rented a large cabin in the Smoky Mountains National Park for the family. My son's father-in-law brought along a loaded Glock automatic that he had been given as a retirement present by his fellow teachers at the school where he taught. It's a different world out there!
 

DaSpurs

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Actually 34% of Americans own firearms but if you exclude the under 18's, it is closer to 50%. There are over 310,000,000 legally held firearms in the US; approximately one for every man, woman and child. I've not seen any statistics to support the claim that most firearms are held by people living in rural areas.

My youngest son lives in the US and is married to an American. Earlier this year I rented a large cabin in the Smoky Mountains National Park for the family. My son's father-in-law brought along a loaded Glock automatic that he had been given as a retirement present by his fellow teachers at the school where he taught. It's a different world out there!

As for the rural vs urban, you can have a look at a Georgetown study here: https://blogs.commons.georgetown.edu/ket37/files/Gun-Ownership-and-Opinion-in-the-United-States.pdf

As you can see, percent ownership per capita tails off significantly going from more rural to more urban.

Different world sure, between a land where they're outlawed vs where they're heavily advocated ;)

But what's the point here? Do you folks want to believe we're gun-crazy fiends? If you want so badly to believe this about us, I guess that explains why so many of my own compatriots still so adamantly manage to persuade themselves Islam is itself a dangerous religion.

My folks and I will be heading to the Smokies ourselves this Christmas, and I can't wait. That's a fine getaway selection on your/your son's part. Will be Glock-free though of course ;)
 

Lilbaz

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As for the rural vs urban, you can have a look at a Georgetown study here: https://blogs.commons.georgetown.edu/ket37/files/Gun-Ownership-and-Opinion-in-the-United-States.pdf

As you can see, percent ownership per capita tails off significantly going from more rural to more urban.

Different world sure, between a land where they're outlawed vs where they're heavily advocated ;)

But what's the point here? Do you folks want to believe we're gun-crazy fiends? If you want so badly to believe this about us, I guess that explains why so many of my own compatriots still so adamantly manage to persuade themselves Islam is itself a dangerous religion.

My folks and I will be heading to the Smokies ourselves this Christmas, and I can't wait. That's a fine getaway selection on your/your son's part. Will be Glock-free though of course ;)

We don't think that Americans are gun crazy fiends. But we do think that you have a massive gun problems that you are doing little about. Which we do see as crazy. The arguments that guns make you safer and that the UK is more violent is a myth. It's even worse that you point out that only 35% of households in America have guns. As it just means that less people are doing more shooting.

There was a good couple of articles I posted on this subject on the other thread.

http://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

While it becomes clear that certain types of offenses are marginally higher in the UK than in the US (robbery and knife crime being more likely in the UK by an order of 1.1x and 1.27x respectively) a number of other, more serious offenses, are both marginally and substantially higher in the US. Rape of a female is 1.02x more likely in the US, while theft of a vehicle is 1.29x more likely. More disturbingly, burglaryis significantly higher at 1.52x more likely to occur in the US. However, it is at the considerably more, well, violent crimes that America really supersedes England and Wales into its own class. In the United States, you are 6.9x more likely to be the victim of aggravated assault resulting in serious injury than in the UK. You are4.03x more likely to be murdered than in the UK. And more staggeringly (though not surprising) you are 35.2x more likely to be shot dead in the Unites States than in the UK. Before anybody asks, no, these do not take into account justifiable homicide and other “acceptable shootings”, nor do murders for that matter.

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/
 

Bobbins

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As for the rural vs urban, you can have a look at a Georgetown study here: https://blogs.commons.georgetown.edu/ket37/files/Gun-Ownership-and-Opinion-in-the-United-States.pdf

As you can see, percent ownership per capita tails off significantly going from more rural to more urban.

Different world sure, between a land where they're outlawed vs where they're heavily advocated ;)

But what's the point here? Do you folks want to believe we're gun-crazy fiends? If you want so badly to believe this about us, I guess that explains why so many of my own compatriots still so adamantly manage to persuade themselves Islam is itself a dangerous religion.

My folks and I will be heading to the Smokies ourselves this Christmas, and I can't wait. That's a fine getaway selection on your/your son's part. Will be Glock-free though of course ;)

I think most people are just confused as to why a normal person's automatic desire wouldn't be that guns are completely illegal. Why would you want these things that are so dangerous, and make it so easy for anyone to become a killer, available for people to buy? Why would you want to live life thinking that there could even be a gun near you, used against you, or just in the possession of someone you don't trust?

I wouldn't want to live life wondering if someone around me had a gun. I wouldn't want to live in a country where guns could be legally held by untrained, unregulated civilians. It's just not something any sane society should want.

The 'protect ourselves against our government' angle always makes people outside the US do a funny squint and 'What?' response. Like this o_O
 

DaSpurs

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We don't think that Americans are gun crazy fiends. But we do think that you have a massive gun problems that you are doing little about. Which we do see as crazy. The arguments that guns make you safer and that the UK is more violent is a myth. It's even worse that you point out that only 35% of households in America have guns. As it just means that less people are doing more shooting.

There was a good couple of articles I posted on this subject on the other thread.

http://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

While it becomes clear that certain types of offenses are marginally higher in the UK than in the US (robbery and knife crime being more likely in the UK by an order of 1.1x and 1.27x respectively) a number of other, more serious offenses, are both marginally and substantially higher in the US. Rape of a female is 1.02x more likely in the US, while theft of a vehicle is 1.29x more likely. More disturbingly, burglaryis significantly higher at 1.52x more likely to occur in the US. However, it is at the considerably more, well, violent crimes that America really supersedes England and Wales into its own class. In the United States, you are 6.9x more likely to be the victim of aggravated assault resulting in serious injury than in the UK. You are4.03x more likely to be murdered than in the UK. And more staggeringly (though not surprising) you are 35.2x more likely to be shot dead in the Unites States than in the UK. Before anybody asks, no, these do not take into account justifiable homicide and other “acceptable shootings”, nor do murders for that matter.

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/

Well not everyone believes per se that guns keep us safer. In fact, my point is that the violence due to then is massively overblown by your media, just as it is here. Meanwhile, total shootings have decreased in every single city/town in the United States over the last decade except for one, Chicago.

So really, it's nothing here like what it's portrayed by your media, nor as significant as those numbers would suggest. In fact, one could even argue that the disparity in that armed crime murder count has to significantly take into account a) a clearly more aggressive population as you can see from the other differences (especially murder), and b) the fact we have so many more firearms.

My argument would be there are other, and much more significant, factors than firearm availability that lead to this aggression. That is of course a fierce tangent to another long-winded discussion, a road I think we'd all prefer to rather avoid.
 
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