Are you a devout BSoDL or not, no goat option.

Are you a BSoDL

  • No

    Votes: 172 54.3%
  • Yes

    Votes: 145 45.7%

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Spurger King

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I'm not a BSoDL because cheering on an unsuccessful but financially sound club doesn't really feel like progressive entertainment. You get the usual wankers talking about fans wanting us to do a Leeds, or how finishing second for the first time since colour TV was invented is great for a mediocre club like us, but frankly my expectations are higher, and I think we're within our rights to hope for it.

I don't dislike Levy. He's brought us an amazing training ground, what looks like being an incredible stadium, and has presided over a successful series of league campaigns. But we've won nothing in years, and are on the verge of going through the first decade since the 40s where we haven't won a trophy (our record of trophy wins every decade since the 50s is currently only matched by United). Obviously it could be a lot worse, but it could be a lot better too.

I don't have shares in Spurs so I don't really care about how great we are as a business. Being financially secure is nice, but if we can't win anything we might as well be permanently renamed as Also-Ran FC for all the difference it makes.

If you can't beat them, join them. Under Levy we can't beat them.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Don't think A&C liked the landslide so he fucked with it.
Eh? What are you on about? After surprise results in the American elections, Brexit and even our own general elections is it any surprise if this vote is closer than we might like?

I come out as BSoDL, tell the world Daniel Levy is my dad and all I get in return is slandered. Quite frankly, after this i'm strongly considering changing my vote.
 

guiltyparty

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I was born in 93 and so I saw nothing but shit football and uninspiring managers until the Levy years, obviously he's made mistakes but name one club in the league that's made more progress than us over the past decade without financial doping? There isn't one. Spunking £60m on a player might be exciting short-term but I'd much rather have one of the best training grounds in Europe already built and one of the most impressive stadiums in the world on the horizon. We are catching up financially with the big boys every year and we've already caught up on the pitch.

I think if we had Levy a decade earlier we'd be in an even stronger position as a club, we probably couldn't have chosen a worse era in football to be shit (90's-early 00's) because this is when the league started to become properly international and the money really started coming in. Playing catch up in football isn't easy but we're doing a good job at it.

The only thing that would change my mind on Levy was if he didn't support Poch as much as he could and we lost him. It's the first time I can remember that the manager has been the most important figure at the club. Keeping him happy is so important.
This, basically. We gave everyone a head start. Ironic for a club whose chairman was integral to the Sky deal happening.
 

guiltyparty

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I'm more BSoDL than not. Altho that can be stretched at times like now when you just want him to sort our transfer business. We really need reinforcements soon.

I find it hard to understand why anyone would be overly down on him tho. Clearly overseen the most fruitful, if not in silverware then everything else, period for decades. Genuinely transformed the club from mid-table occasional relegation worry to European regular. Anyone who doesn't see that is clearly blanking out the 90s

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I also don't get the argument that he's been lucky. Santini, Arnesen, Redknapp, AVB, Sherwood. He's had some mad shit to deal with, hardly been plain sailing but he's kept us constantly moving up
 

Spurger King

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I'm more BSoDL than not. Altho that can be stretched at times like now when you just want him to sort our transfer business. We really need reinforcements soon.

I find it hard to understand why anyone would be overly down on him tho. Clearly overseen the most fruitful, if not in silverware then everything else, period for decades. Genuinely transformed the club from mid-table occasional relegation worry to European regular. Anyone who doesn't see that is clearly blanking out the 90s

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I also don't get the argument that he's been lucky. Santini, Arnesen, Redknapp, AVB, Sherwood. He's had some mad shit to deal with, hardly been plain sailing but he's kept us constantly moving up
Personally I like what Levy has done, and recognise that he's tried to make us as successful as possible within our means. Things like including a purpose-built American Handegg pitch is an inspired idea to give the green light to, and an inventive way of generating more money.

I started supporting Spurs in 1990, so that decade is firmly etched in my memory. We've been transformed under Levy, but it's not been without serious issues. A low point was selling Berbatov and desperately bringing in Frasier 'no option to buy' Campbell who turned out to be pretty shit, and which sabotaged Ramos' attacking options. Some top ITK also said that Levy lied to AVB about the Moutinho deal, and that Levy deliberately harpooned the negotiations because he merely wanted it to appear as though we were willing to support AVB. I still think that Moutinho would have transformed that team, and without him we had to rely on Bale going full juggernaut spearheading an uninspired side.

Levy's generally doing his best, and I recognise that. However, if we could genuinely compete with the mega money clubs I'd happily go for that in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter how well he's done; if Middlesbrough get bought by a free-spending billionaire they'll leapfrog us the same way Chelsea and City have done. Doing things 'the right way' (which still involves massive cash injections in facilities that most clubs can only dream of) has won us nothing in 9 years. I don't blame Levy for that, but I don't particularly celebrate it either.
 

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Personally I like what Levy has done, and recognise that he's tried to make us as successful as possible within our means. Things like including a purpose-built American Handegg pitch is an inspired idea to give the green light to, and an inventive way of generating more money.

I started supporting Spurs in 1990, so that decade is firmly etched in my memory. We've been transformed under Levy, but it's not been without serious issues. A low point was selling Berbatov and desperately bringing in Frasier 'no option to buy' Campbell who turned out to be pretty shit, and which sabotaged Ramos' attacking options. Some top ITK also said that Levy lied to AVB about the Moutinho deal, and that Levy deliberately harpooned the negotiations because he merely wanted it to appear as though we were willing to support AVB. I still think that Moutinho would have transformed that team, and without him we had to rely on Bale going full juggernaut spearheading an uninspired side.

Levy's generally doing his best, and I recognise that. However, if we could genuinely compete with the mega money clubs I'd happily go for that in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter how well he's done; if Middlesbrough get bought by a free-spending billionaire they'll leapfrog us the same way Chelsea and City have done. Doing things 'the right way' (which still involves massive cash injections in facilities that most clubs can only dream of) has won us nothing in 9 years. I don't blame Levy for that, but I don't particularly celebrate it either.
Cardiff city, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, QPR I'm sure there are more.. All were bought by money men all ended up worse off, we have 2 sussessful big money take overs in the PL and we have been competing with them fir the last 2-3 years.

You can also look at Everton and see that they are now backed by a money man but still this season will have sold their 2 prize assests.
 
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Cardiff city, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, QPR I'm sure there are more.. All were bought by money men all ended up worse off, we have 2 sussessful big money take overs in the PL and we have been competing with them fir the last 2-3 years.

You can also look at Everton and see that they are now backed by a money man but still this season will have sold their 2 prize assests.
The proof in this particular pudding won't be known until Levy sells up because this often quoted scenario always assumes we'll be taken over by a crazed despot hell bent on ruining us. I trust Levy to sell to the 'right' sort and we kick on, how can you not?

:cautious:
 

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The proof in this particular pudding won't be known until Levy sells up because this often quoted scenario always assumes we'll be taken over by a crazed despot hell bent on ruining us. I trust Levy to sell to the 'right' sort and we kick on, how can you not?

:cautious:
why would he sell up?
once uncle joe passes away what happens to his shares?
joes daughter is danny boys missus...

why sell a cash cow which is what spurs will be when the stadium is up and running and the pitch is doing the okey kokey between events quicker than a hookers drawers on a Saturday night in soho.
 

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The proof in this particular pudding won't be known until Levy sells up because this often quoted scenario always assumes we'll be taken over by a crazed despot hell bent on ruining us. I trust Levy to sell to the 'right' sort and we kick on, how can you not?

:cautious:
TBH Learner was a decent owner till his devorce and financial downturn. From the sounds of it we will be sold to another investment group, a bit like ENIC, except they won't be Tottenham fans at the top of the tree.

Now go back to your poll tampering Putin! :mad:
 

Archibald&Crooks

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TBH Learner was a decent owner till his devorce and financial downturn. From the sounds of it we will be sold to another investment group, a bit like ENIC, except they won't be Tottenham fans at the top of the tree.

Now go back to your poll tampering Putin! :mad:
But I didn't tamper with anything :(
 

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BSoDL all the way but that doesn't mean he is above criticism. I just think the stewardship of THFC has been outstanding and i' have been a supporter for over 50+ Years I.e. I have seen a lot of shite in that time. We could have done a lot worse then DL.
 

Gb160

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why would he sell up?
once uncle joe passes away what happens to his shares?
joes daughter is danny boys missus...

why sell a cash cow which is what spurs will be when the stadium is up and running and the pitch is doing the okey kokey between events quicker than a hookers drawers on a Saturday night in soho.
Don't think so mate, she used to be his PA, surnames Dixon (or was, dunno if she's now a Tracy Levy).
Never heard of her being related to Joe.
Unrelated but one of Joes daughters is the partner of permed Aussie ex-scouser Craig Johnstone.
 

Ionman34

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There seems to be a bit of a misconception on here regarding the Sons. Having read Spurger's post, it appears the belief is that there is a contentment in financial stability and advancement above all else. I believe I speak for all of us when I say this couldn't be farther from the truth. The difference between us and the gingers is that we fully understand that, in relation to the financial powerhouses we're competing against, we have to play the long game and set the foundations first. We can't match the transfer fees and, more importantly, the wage paying capabilities of the other clubs, so we have to box clever, and DL has proven that there isn't a single Chairman out there who has been able to match him in that regard, let alone best him.

The perception also seems to be that he is defended regardless. This is incorrect and, quite frankly, a lazy rehashing of points made by the Sons where any critique is ignored in favour of the desire to bash. As has been said on many occasions, DL has made lots of mistakes over the years. Managerial appointments, player sales, player purchases, managerial sackings. He's definitely made his fair share. But, look at where he's taken us. For all of the errors he's made, they are FAR outweighed by the things he has done right. The fact that he has overseen the transformation of our club at a time when free spending Billionaires took over at City, Chelsea and even Liverpool (their financial mismanagement highlighting the excellent job that Levy has done with far inferior resources), is testament to the outstanding work he has done. We currently have 5 of the World's most financially powerful clubs competing against us in our league, yet we are besting better than 50% of them and being within touching distance of English Football's highest accolade.

We've had more than a few stumbles along the way, some self inflicted but most inflicted on us by those powerhouses. Losing out on transfers due to the ability to pay ridiculous wages, losing players for the same reason. This transfer window is, for me, a prime example of those powerhouses once again turning up the heat in an attempt to widen the gap. They have introduced a quantum leap into transfer valuations, paying massively over the odds, not just in transfer fees but in wages. What better way to destabilise your opposition than to pay a mediocre squad filler £100K a week THEN ADVERTISE the fact? Every decent player in your competition will start looking at their own income, the resultant being clubs paying beyond their means or being forced to sell.

Yet we're still up there because we've been astute, and that is no accident.

Lastly, I couldn't agree more with those who want trophies. I've gone on record to state that I want trophies, lots of them, but I also realise that to achieve that, the long game is a must. We've definitely blown some golden opportunities for Silverware in recent years, for that criticism is justly due, but I don't hold with the "Levy out" reaction when it doesn't happen, that is just ridiculous. Our own expectations for glory arise directly from the growth that DL has overseen, without his vision we would not be expecting European glory, a league title, regular domestic cup glory...

Yes we are good enough to now be expecting to win them more than we have and it hasn't happened by accident.

THAT is why I regard myself as BSoDL, DL is the driving force in our continuous growth from relegation contenders to title contenders, no one else. Poch has been given the reins, but DL gave them to him and has set the target. I firmly believe he wants to make us a European powerhouse, setting the foundations to ensure that when we get there, we stay there. The cynics will say that is because he increases his own profit margins, I say so what? If he gets rich by achieving what we all want then good luck to him.

Personally, I believe his main reasoning is because he is a Spurs fan and he wants us to be where the rest of us dream of being. Yes profit is a big factor, but not the driver IMO.
 

guiltyparty

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There seems to be a bit of a misconception on here regarding the Sons. Having read Spurger's post, it appears the belief is that there is a contentment in financial stability and advancement above all else. I believe I speak for all of us when I say this couldn't be farther from the truth. The difference between us and the gingers is that we fully understand that, in relation to the financial powerhouses we're competing against, we have to play the long game and set the foundations first. We can't match the transfer fees and, more importantly, the wage paying capabilities of the other clubs, so we have to box clever, and DL has proven that there isn't a single Chairman out there who has been able to match him in that regard, let alone best him.

The perception also seems to be that he is defended regardless. This is incorrect and, quite frankly, a lazy rehashing of points made by the Sons where any critique is ignored in favour of the desire to bash. As has been said on many occasions, DL has made lots of mistakes over the years. Managerial appointments, player sales, player purchases, managerial sackings. He's definitely made his fair share. But, look at where he's taken us. For all of the errors he's made, they are FAR outweighed by the things he has done right. The fact that he has overseen the transformation of our club at a time when free spending Billionaires took over at City, Chelsea and even Liverpool (their financial mismanagement highlighting the excellent job that Levy has done with far inferior resources), is testament to the outstanding work he has done. We currently have 5 of the World's most financially powerful clubs competing against us in our league, yet we are besting better than 50% of them and being within touching distance of English Football's highest accolade.

We've had more than a few stumbles along the way, some self inflicted but most inflicted on us by those powerhouses. Losing out on transfers due to the ability to pay ridiculous wages, losing players for the same reason. This transfer window is, for me, a prime example of those powerhouses once again turning up the heat in an attempt to widen the gap. They have introduced a quantum leap into transfer valuations, paying massively over the odds, not just in transfer fees but in wages. What better way to destabilise your opposition than to pay a mediocre squad filler £100K a week THEN ADVERTISE the fact? Every decent player in your competition will start looking at their own income, the resultant being clubs paying beyond their means or being forced to sell.

Yet we're still up there because we've been astute, and that is no accident.

Lastly, I couldn't agree more with those who want trophies. I've gone on record to state that I want trophies, lots of them, but I also realise that to achieve that, the long game is a must. We've definitely blown some golden opportunities for Silverware in recent years, for that criticism is justly due, but I don't hold with the "Levy out" reaction when it doesn't happen, that is just ridiculous. Our own expectations for glory arise directly from the growth that DL has overseen, without his vision we would not be expecting European glory, a league title, regular domestic cup glory...

Yes we are good enough to now be expecting to win them more than we have and it hasn't happened by accident.

THAT is why I regard myself as BSoDL, DL is the driving force in our continuous growth from relegation contenders to title contenders, no one else. Poch has been given the reins, but DL gave them to him and has set the target. I firmly believe he wants to make us a European powerhouse, setting the foundations to ensure that when we get there, we stay there. The cynics will say that is because he increases his own profit margins, I say so what? If he gets rich by achieving what we all want then good luck to him.

Personally, I believe his main reasoning is because he is a Spurs fan and he wants us to be where the rest of us dream of being. Yes profit is a big factor, but not the driver IMO.
Was with you right up to the last paragraph
 

Ionman34

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All arguments from me, can be seen in locked Daniel Levy thread.

Goodbye and good luck.
Hope that's just a goodbye to the thread Mullers. I don't agree with most of what you say, but you articulate your arguments well and it's always good to have that, regardless of whether I agree or not.

Your post had a note of finality to it. Hopefully I'm reading it wrong.
 

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Hope that's just a goodbye to the thread Mullers. I don't agree with most of what you say, but you articulate your arguments well and it's always good to have that, regardless of whether I agree or not.

Your post had a note of finality to it. Hopefully I'm reading it wrong.
Thanks, it's just a goodbye to thread. I'm tired of talking about Levy and I don't have any new arguments. I just wanted to post before someone tags me to bring me here.
 

RichieS

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Personally I like what Levy has done, and recognise that he's tried to make us as successful as possible within our means. Things like including a purpose-built American Handegg pitch is an inspired idea to give the green light to, and an inventive way of generating more money.

I started supporting Spurs in 1990, so that decade is firmly etched in my memory. We've been transformed under Levy, but it's not been without serious issues. A low point was selling Berbatov and desperately bringing in Frasier 'no option to buy' Campbell who turned out to be pretty shit, and which sabotaged Ramos' attacking options. Some top ITK also said that Levy lied to AVB about the Moutinho deal, and that Levy deliberately harpooned the negotiations because he merely wanted it to appear as though we were willing to support AVB. I still think that Moutinho would have transformed that team, and without him we had to rely on Bale going full juggernaut spearheading an uninspired side.

Levy's generally doing his best, and I recognise that. However, if we could genuinely compete with the mega money clubs I'd happily go for that in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter how well he's done; if Middlesbrough get bought by a free-spending billionaire they'll leapfrog us the same way Chelsea and City have done. Doing things 'the right way' (which still involves massive cash injections in facilities that most clubs can only dream of) has won us nothing in 9 years. I don't blame Levy for that, but I don't particularly celebrate it either.
Random factoid (which I have not checked the veracity of) - American Football is called "football" because the ball is a foot long. Nothing to do with which appendage it is manipulated with.
 
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