Are you a devout BSoDL or not, no goat option.

[Francis Gibbs]

Pmsl the tight arse bald gnome strikes again.... wonder how long before Poch gets totally pissed off with him, if he isn't already

 

[talkshowhost86]

Pmsl the tight arse bald gnome strikes again.... wonder how long before Poch gets totally pissed off with him, if he isn't already

2015/16 - 3rd

2016/17 - 2nd

Let's hope the 'tight arse bald gnome' keeps striking.

 

[dontcallme]

Pmsl the tight arse bald gnome strikes again.... wonder how long before Poch gets totally pissed off with him, if he isn't already

Yeah we've really gone downhill since Levy took over.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Pmsl the tight arse bald gnome strikes again.... wonder how long before Poch gets totally pissed off with him, if he isn't already

2015/16 - 3rd

2016/17 - 2nd

Let's hope the 'tight arse bald gnome' keeps striking.

How many trophies? .... 1st loser and 2nd loser, just think what could have been achieved if he didn't piss about delaying deals into the start of the season at best and actually paying what players are worth.
Before anyone bangs on about the stadium etc ... his own words are 'totally separate budgets'

 

[dontcallme]

How many trophies? .... 1st loser and 2nd loser, just think what could have been achieved if he didn't piss about delaying deals into the start of the season at best and actually paying what players are worth.
Before anyone bangs on about the stadium etc ... his own words are 'totally separate budgets'

Most fans see the bigger picture and acknowledge huge improvement in the club since he has taken over, both on and off the pitch.

Levy's job is not one-dimensional and few believe we'd have won league titles if we'd been more reckless with our money.

Levy is a big part of why we're able to compete.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

How many trophies? .... 1st loser and 2nd loser, just think what could have been achieved if he didn't piss about delaying deals into the start of the season at best and actually paying what players are worth.
Before anyone bangs on about the stadium etc ... his own words are 'totally separate budgets'

Most fans see the bigger picture and acknowledge huge improvement in the club since he has taken over, both on and off the pitch.

Levy's job is not one-dimensional and few believe we'd have won league titles if we'd been more reckless with our money.

Levy is a big part of why we're able to compete.

Why do you defer better and more prompt investment automatically to reckless?

 

[Lighty64]

Why do you defer better and more prompt investment automatically to reckless?

at a guess because in football there is no guarantee if Levy had funded Poch's 1st choices last season that we would of won the league. we might of even finished lower.

we are not in a position to have a squad of 22 quality players on our wage structure, and until at least we know for certain that we will be in the New Stadium after just 1 season, and know we can stay within the FFP rules that we can do much about it.

for every million we can pay a player Manc's and Chelsea can double or triple it, due to their owners and everything about there clubs bringing in so much more than us. That isn't Levy's fault, that was Scholar and Sugars fault for not being in the right place at the right time when the premier league started, Champions League decided to let non champions play in a money league, and sky.

with Liverpool and Arsenal, their ceiling is much lower than the top 3, but due to their intake in stadium and merchandise then they can afford to pay a lot higher, just not as much as the other 3.

every single one of our players that signed new contracts last season, know that they can earn more at other clubs, they also know that they not only never had to agree to signing them, but could of got their agents out there getting them more, to play for teams that are willing to pay more, and have a chance of winning a trophy.

there are only 3 trophies open to all premier league teams, and last season 3 of the richest teams won them.

if you cannot see the improvement we have made under Levy, then you either need to go to specsavers or you are just plain THICK!!!!

 

[Spurger King]

at a guess because in football there is no guarantee if Levy had funded Poch's 1st choices last season that we would of won the league. we might of even finished lower.

we are not in a position to have a squad of 22 quality players on our wage structure, and until at least we know for certain that we will be in the New Stadium after just 1 season, and know we can stay within the FFP rules that we can do much about it.

for every million we can pay a player Manc's and Chelsea can double or triple it, due to their owners and everything about there clubs bringing in so much more than us. That isn't Levy's fault, that was Scholar and Sugars fault for not being in the right place at the right time when the premier league started, Champions League decided to let non champions play in a money league, and sky.

with Liverpool and Arsenal, their ceiling is much lower than the top 3, but due to their intake in stadium and merchandise then they can afford to pay a lot higher, just not as much as the other 3.

every single one of our players that signed new contracts last season, know that they can earn more at other clubs, they also know that they not only never had to agree to signing them, but could of got their agents out there getting them more, to play for teams that are willing to pay more, and have a chance of winning a trophy.

there are only 3 trophies open to all premier league teams, and last season 3 of the richest teams won them.

if you cannot see the improvement we have made under Levy, then you either need to go to specsavers or you are just plain THICK!!!!

That's the whole issue though, isn't it? Levy has done brilliantly within his means. The training ground and new stadium will be the legacy of ENIC for decades to come, and history will look kindly on Levy for good reason.

However, there's nothing wrong with wanting the team you support to actually win things. It's not Levy's fault that he can't chuck cash around like the oil money clubs, but as long as those clubs exist there will be people who would like to see us in the same position.

In an ideal world there would be genuine legislation in place (not the laughable FFP) to level the playing field a bit. Until that happens, Levy and ENIC will represent a frustrating glass ceiling putting us within a tantalising distance of success.

We'll soon see if Levy and co can take us up another level (they've certainly done it before) when the new stadium is ready. At the very least we need to be offering comparable wages to the richer clubs if we want to keep our best players. If we start losing them due to lack of financial power, and begin slipping down the table, Levy's limitations will be fully exposed.

 

[degoose]

How would you not support and say Levy has done a great job. The team and brand as a whole has developed and improved massively over 10 plus years. Yes we haven't won a ton of trophies but we are going in the right direction and Spurs are trying to do it within budget and in a sensible way. It's not very exciting for some but its better than 10 years of mass spending, spurs going into debt and imploding which has happened to quite a few teams. The only ones who don't are the ones like Chelsea and city who are bank rolled or Utd who are just huge so have money coming in everywhere.

So many people are obsessed about spurs spending cash just for the sake of it, in my opinion and the position we are in we need to be way more selective on who can improve the squad and first 11 and that should be done with some consideration and thought, not just throwing money at every player PSG, Madrid and Juventus want to sign.

 

[Lighty64]

That's the whole issue though, isn't it? Levy has done brilliantly within his means. The training ground and new stadium will be the legacy of ENIC for decades to come, and history will look kindly on Levy for good reason.

However, there's nothing wrong with wanting the team you support to actually win things. It's not Levy's fault that he can't chuck cash around like the oil money clubs, but as long as those clubs exist there will be people who would like to see us in the same position.

In an ideal world there would be genuine legislation in place (not the laughable FFP) to level the playing field a bit. Until that happens, Levy and ENIC will represent a frustrating glass ceiling putting us within a tantalising distance of success.

We'll soon see if Levy and co can take us up another level (they've certainly done it before) when the new stadium is ready. At the very least we need to be offering comparable wages to the richer clubs if we want to keep our best players. If we start losing them due to lack of financial power, and begin slipping down the table, Levy's limitations will be fully exposed.

I'm hoping that the reason why Levy has fought so hard for this new stadium is to be able to compete with transfers and wages one day.

I don't buy the "going to try and sell us, once in place", the people that bought Chelsea and City did at a very low cost, to buy us once in place would cost an absolute fortune, which would most probably impact us big time. Wasn't Abramovich going to bid for us, then found out he could buy Chelsea for silly money and changed his mind?

 

[talkshowhost86]

That's the whole issue though, isn't it? Levy has done brilliantly within his means. The training ground and new stadium will be the legacy of ENIC for decades to come, and history will look kindly on Levy for good reason.

However, there's nothing wrong with wanting the team you support to actually win things. It's not Levy's fault that he can't chuck cash around like the oil money clubs, but as long as those clubs exist there will be people who would like to see us in the same position.

In an ideal world there would be genuine legislation in place (not the laughable FFP) to level the playing field a bit. Until that happens, Levy and ENIC will represent a frustrating glass ceiling putting us within a tantalising distance of success.

We'll soon see if Levy and co can take us up another level (they've certainly done it before) when the new stadium is ready. At the very least we need to be offering comparable wages to the richer clubs if we want to keep our best players. If we start losing them due to lack of financial power, and begin slipping down the table, Levy's limitations will be fully exposed.

This is all absolutely spot on...but not what the likes of @Francis Gibbs are saying.

To them, for whatever reason, Levy is the person holding us back from our apparently anointed place at the summit of the game.

If it wasn't for him we'd be winning trophies left, right and centre. Basically it's his fault we don't win things, rather than it being his 'fault' that we've developed so much whilst he's been in charge.

We all want Spurs to win things. Of course we do. But people like @Francis Gibbs labeling coming second in the league as effectively shit, is ridiculous.

You're right that we are now in a position to see whether we can mix it with the oil barons, and I don't think the ENIC structure will allow us to do that. But as you also say that shouldn't be seen as a criticism of the way Levy has run the club. Within the confines of our current finances, anyone who says he hasn't done very well is, for me, just being a spoilt brat.

 

[jurgen]

This idea that many fans just want cash spent for the sake of it, is a little frustrating. In the current situation, we have just received quite a lot of money for selling one of our first team players, who played a lot of minutes for us last season. We have (currently) weakened our squad, and there's no real argument against that. So it is definitely fair comment to ask whether that money is going to be reinvested into other areas of weakness, lest we forget that as amazing as we were in the league, we were pretty abject in Europe.

My personal feeling is that while we're investing in youth as a long term strategy, even Levy probably didn't predict quite how good Poch would be at this job. Kane and Alli alone cost us about £5m and are now probably £250m of assets. Let alone the increased income from high league finishes and Champions League football. Maybe Poch doesn't really want to buy anyone and thinks he can win us the title without any investment, but on principle I think Levy should be backing him to the hilt. Lest we forget that Daniel did employ Tim Sherwood and briefly usher in one of the most toxic times in recent Spurs history. Poch has been utterly superb as a coach and a man who represents our club, and that needs to be preserved.

He's definitely done a great job, but as Spurger King suggested, there is still much to be done with the Spurs project and that does include winning some form of trophy. We haven't won enough under ENIC's tenure, that is for sure. There may always be that glass ceiling even with the new stadium depending on how ENIC choose to run us.

Levy is building a platform for us to be successful in the long term, but it would also be fair to say he has many strengths and certain weaknesses as a leader.

Given his investment background, and even the fact he studied land economy, he is very good at property and getting building projects done. And that will be great for us.

But if we're slightly cynical, it's really great for ENIC, they're going to be sitting on prime facilities and land worth an absolute mint. The NFL tie in, and building it into the stadium - great, very forward thinking, if pricey to include, but it cannot be at the expense of the football club.

The spiralling cost of the stadium has been blamed on Brexit but they've also increased the ambition of the project and its facilities, and that is clearly impacting on our ability to invest in our team, whatever Levy says.

But again, if we have the best purpose built stadium with the best facilities for wanker bankers in the country, with their cheese rooms etc., you'd hope the money will come in, and then we have to trust that this will be utilised to build the team rather than siphoned off.

I guess the proof is a few years off yet.

I don't think most people questioning our stasis in the transfer market are under any illusion we can operate like the money clubs, but it seems we've just sold a bona fide first teamer to a rival seemingly without a smart and decisive plan to reinvest the money. That's a touch concerning. We were so quick to do deals when we sold Bale, it was like another chairman had taken over, but given how some of those players turned out I think Danny had his fingers burned for life.

 

[SUIYHA]

The club is in a much better position than it was 5 years ago. Likewise, the club 5 years ago was in a much better position than it was 5 years before that. And back then, the club was in a much better position than it was 5 years before that. And you know what....we were probably in a slightly better position in 2002 than we were in 1997 as well.

That's really all there is to say on the matter.

 

[mpickard2087]

This idea that many fans just want cash spent for the sake of it, is a little frustrating. In the current situation, we have just received quite a lot of money for selling one of our first team players, who played a lot of minutes for us last season. We have (currently) weakened our squad, and there's no real argument against that. So it is definitely fair comment to ask whether that money is going to be reinvested into other areas of weakness, lest we forget that as amazing as we were in the league, we were pretty abject in Europe.


I don't think most people questioning our stasis in the transfer market are under any illusion we can operate like the money clubs, but it seems we've just sold a bona fide first teamer to a rival seemingly without a smart and decisive plan to reinvest the money. That's a touch concerning.

But what I would say is that the situation is nowhere near played out yet to make any conclusion. We have KWP at the club as next cab off the rank - he is a kid with a lot of potential, as always there is no guarantee he will make that transition to the first team but in some ways we have the luxury of a little bit of time to test him... We've got a pre-season against decent opposition, he'll almost certainly get some game time and we, and most importantly Poch, will see if he is ready to become a squad option, or he isn't there yet (or, Poch might think, never will be). Until he's tried we don't know. If all goes good then great and we'll have saved 10, 15, 20 million or whatever. If it doesn't then we will still have 3 or 4 weeks to look to address that and sign someone.

In other areas I don't really see the great need for reinvestment in the squad. The one area being if we can get Barkley (or whoever, I agree that is a deal that I wouldn't like to see run right to deadline day) in to replace Sissoko. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with replacing Wimmer with another ball player at centre back, but finding a left footed one is a tough task and if we have to stick with what we've got then it's hardly the end of the world. Apart from those what do we really need... a 3rd keeper? I don't see why people are panicking so much.

 

[Lilbaz]

@TURKISH69 this is the thread to discuss levy.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Wish we would get a rich sugar daddy and be done with it.

Seems pretty much every club in the top 6 now has one, so why should we be any different.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Wish we would get a rich sugar daddy and be done with it.

Seems pretty much every club in the top 6 now has one, so why should we be any different.

and yet not all of those clubs can win honours every year... despite their stupid outlays and blood money.

I thought the point was we dare to be different.

Audere est facere / Only one Hotspur.

Why don't you get a sugar daddy and be done with it?

 

[Gb160]

Wish we would get a rich sugar daddy and be done with it.

Seems pretty much every club in the top 6 now has one, so why should we be any different.

Only 2 are being run as playthings mate.Chelsea and City...the rest are owned and run by investors.

 

[Lilbaz]

Wish we would get a rich sugar daddy and be done with it.

Seems pretty much every club in the top 6 now has one, so why should we be any different.

Kronke a sugar daddy?
Glazer's mortgaged the club to buy them.
Fenway will want a return on their investment.

Chelsea and city have sugar daddies. The others have a bigger fan base, historically more success and are not building a new stadium (liverpool expanding a bit).

But yes it would be nice to eat at the big boys table and buy star players and not have to worry about wages and such.

Problem is none seem interested in us.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

Kronke a sugar daddy?
Glazer's mortgaged the club to buy them.
Fenway will want a return on their investment.

Chelsea and city have sugar daddies. The others have a bigger fan base, historically more success and are not building a new stadium (liverpool expanding a bit).

But yes it would be nice to eat at the big boys table and buy star players and not have to worry about wages and such.

Problem is none seem interested in us.

I'm sure plenty have looked, then realised that they'd have to deal/buy from Levy and none fancy getting Levy'd