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Everlasting Seconds

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I see there is a growing debate about Ade vs Soldado and who would have been the least destructive and what not.
As it stands presently, I think a half-decent selection would be Lamela, Eriksen, Lennon, Chadli as our front 4.
 

Gassin's finest

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I see there is a growing debate about Ade vs Soldado and who would have been the least destructive and what not.
As it stands presently, I think a half-decent selection would be Lamela, Eriksen, Lennon, Chadli as our front 4.
You know what, with Chadli becoming such an instinctive and composed goalscorer this season, with his movement and finishing, this wouldn't be a that crazy a suggestion at all. Lennon, Eriksen, Lamela, with Chadli spearheading.
 

punkisback

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Mature and appropriate response to the self-flagellation of that earlier post.

You were watching a different game to me if you thought all we did was cower on the edge of our box. Crisp defending, allowing them pointless possession while not getting sucked out into headless chasing, and looking more promising in attack - all miles better than some recent showings. Certainly not a recipe for the poseur language about bill nick and all.
Exactly. L'Arse did the same to us when sherwood was manager. Wenger can have no complaints.
 

riggi

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Anyone find a picture of our fans after the goal? Was classic taunting of the scum

Would of been better if we had got the equaliser though! Still, always great to cheer a goal at their place.
 

Shadydan

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So what price a point?

There are two ways to look at this game. You might say that we are a new team with players who are getting used to the different philosophy and playing style of yet another new manager. Against a team full of good players with a defined style this is a creditable, hard-fought draw. It is unsurprising that they had most of the play. We defended our box well and restricted them to a handful of half-chances. There is some merit in this view. All of these things are true, and yet it tells only part of the story.

The rest of the story is less charitable. We have been led to believe that our new manager's preferred style of play is an aggressive, pressing style. It deprives the opposition of time and space in order to win possession high up the pitch and attack when they are least able to defend it. I saw that once today and it resulted in Chadli's goal. Once.

What I saw was a team that was happy to let the opposition have the ball. A team that was content to defend deep in its own half in order to restrict the options of a team that likes to pass its way through the centre of the pitch. In short, a team that came to the game with the sole intention of avoiding defeat and hoping to possibly sneak a goal on the break.

I'm not sure exactly how to catgorise my feelings about this. I feel a strange combination of disbelief, anger, sadness and shame. I watched my beloved Tottenham creep into the enemy's stadium too scared to play. Too frightened to even try to play football, to challenge the opposition, to impose itself on them. Grateful to avoid defeat, seemingly satisfied at a demonstration of what can only be described as sporting cowardice. I am stunned. I have witnessed humiliations, capitulations and degradations. I have seen us field a team of pub players and get spanked, and I have seen us field a team of internationals who played like pub players. But I don't think that I have ever seen us take the field against a team that we should be challenging and be scared of competing with them.

Where is the glory in what we saw today? There is none. Irrespective of how many points we got today - even if we had won - it would have been a defeat. A defeat for all that we hold dear about this great club. A betrayal of our history and our philosophy. (Sir) Bill Nick will be turning in his grave.

So let me get this straight...when Mourinho sets his team up to sit deep and defend with 2 banks of four at places like the Etihad, The Emirates and Anfield he's known as a tactical mastermind and lauded for having the foresight to get something out of the game and when Atletico Madrid setup exactly the same way in their games where they defend with two banks of four and let the opposition have the ball and counter Simeone gets praised to high heaven for creating a game plan to deal with the better teams, yet when Pochettino does it it's not the Spurs way and had we won it would have been a defeat? Do me a fucking favour.

I've seen more positive signs today than at any time this season because we can finally build on something and take confidence from it, we saw a team who have been chastised for their defending these past two seasons put in a dogged and sturdy performance that was worthy of praise. Did you not feel proud that players like Kaboul, and Rose who have been written off by many including people on here before a ball was even kicked this season put in the type of performance that we've been demanding?

And finally we have a manager who is willing to change his philosophy and cater to the opposition, how many times have we gone to places like these, played open football and been picked off? Again how many times have we bemoaned the manager for not having a 'plan b', would you rather we played open football and get absolutely tanked like last season?

I find it astounding that any fans should moan at this performance, yeah okay going forward we made many bad decisions and should have made much more on the counters but I believe that it was down to poor confidence...put it this way I'd rather the defence looked solid than the forwards because at least we can build from the back.
 

EastLondonYid

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So let me get this straight...when Mourinho sets his team up to sit deep and defend with 2 banks of four at places like the Etihad, The Emirates and Anfield he's known as a tactical mastermind and lauded for having the foresight to get something out of the game and when Atletico Madrid setup exactly the same way in their games where they defend with two banks of four and let the opposition have the ball and counter Simeone gets praised to high heaven for creating a game plan to deal with the better teams, yet when Pochettino does it it's not the Spurs way and had we won it would have been a defeat? Do me a fucking favour.

I've seen more positive signs today than at any time this season because we can finally build on something and take confidence from it, we saw a team who have been chastised for their defending these past two seasons put in a dogged and sturdy performance that was worthy of praise. Did you not feel proud that players like Kaboul, and Rose who have been written off by many including people on here before a ball was even kicked this season put in the type of performance that we've been demanding?

And finally we have a manager who is willing to change his philosophy and cater to the opposition, how many times have we gone to places like these, played open football and been picked off? Again how many times have we bemoaned the manager for not having a 'plan b', would you rather we played open football and get absolutely tanked like last season?

I find it astounding that any fans should moan at this performance, yeah okay going forward we made many bad decisions and should have made much more on the counters but I believe that it was down to poor confidence...put it this way I'd rather the defence looked solid than the forwards because at least we can build from the back.


And we wonder why the Lane is so boring lately......its full of deluded, grumpy never satisfied fans who can't wait to fucking moan if we aren't playing like Barca....yesterday was all about pride in not losing and pride in the shirt .COYS.
 

Shadydan

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And we wonder why the Lane is so boring lately......its full of deluded, grumpy never satisfied fans who can't wait to fucking moan if we aren't playing like Barca....yesterday was all about pride in not losing and pride in the shirt .COYS.

The worst thing about our club IMO
 

spursbri111

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He's been shit, but you are a sick human being if you actually mean this.
What did Adebayor do what was so wrong? He was generally the lone striker and he held up the ball, had some runs down the wing and got a header and shot on target. Am I missing something? Or is he just the one that people want to hate today?
token jumps for headers, misplaced passes and generally not being interested. Im no football manager but I cant see how he can start another game until he shows some fight. When we cleared the ball yesterday it just kept coming straight back. I really cant watch spurs anymore if he s playing. so frustrating.I can watch players with less talent but try there best but he has bags of talent and does nt seem bothered this season.
 

midge

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Kaboom looks so much better playing with a partner that is good

I think this shows Kaboom is good at is job but is not really the captain material who can marshall the team and defence

Give him a job and he does it brilliantly...ask him to look after Vlad...all fall apart
 

Indisguise

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To be honest, I thought we'd lost the Kaboom of old, but yesterday's performance gives me a lot of hope that he's well on the way back. Wonderful to see. Perhaps captaincy was the inspiration he needed.
 

Dundalk_Spur

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Has anyone mentioned that AOC possibly should not have been on the pitch to score his goal?? His yellow card tackle was a bad foul "from behind". As far as I can remember they are still trying to eradicate this sore of challenge by issuing red cards???

Then again Mr Oliver gave us fuck all and deemed Chadlis ear gesture to be as bad as the above mentioned foul.
 

hughy

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To be honest, I thought we'd lost the Kaboom of old, but yesterday's performance gives me a lot of hope that he's well on the way back. Wonderful to see. Perhaps captaincy was the inspiration he needed.
As I said earlier in the thread, I think it's because he wasn't on babysitting duties yesterday.
 

ernie78

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As I said earlier in the thread, I think it's because he wasn't on babysitting duties yesterday.
Think you may have a point. He was able to focus simply on his duties rather than someone else's as well. Was great to see, hopefully we see many more of these performances from him.
 

SteveH

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So let me get this straight...when Mourinho sets his team up to sit deep and defend with 2 banks of four at places like the Etihad, The Emirates and Anfield he's known as a tactical mastermind and lauded for having the foresight to get something out of the game and when Atletico Madrid setup exactly the same way in their games where they defend with two banks of four and let the opposition have the ball and counter Simeone gets praised to high heaven for creating a game plan to deal with the better teams, yet when Pochettino does it it's not the Spurs way and had we won it would have been a defeat? Do me a fucking favour.

I've seen more positive signs today than at any time this season because we can finally build on something and take confidence from it, we saw a team who have been chastised for their defending these past two seasons put in a dogged and sturdy performance that was worthy of praise. Did you not feel proud that players like Kaboul, and Rose who have been written off by many including people on here before a ball was even kicked this season put in the type of performance that we've been demanding?

And finally we have a manager who is willing to change his philosophy and cater to the opposition, how many times have we gone to places like these, played open football and been picked off? Again how many times have we bemoaned the manager for not having a 'plan b', would you rather we played open football and get absolutely tanked like last season?

I find it astounding that any fans should moan at this performance, yeah okay going forward we made many bad decisions and should have made much more on the counters but I believe that it was down to poor confidence...put it this way I'd rather the defence looked solid than the forwards because at least we can build from the back.

Was thinking exactly this - spot on. I may take some folk a while to get used to concept of "tactics" at Spurs.
 

CosmicHotspur

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It's a shame we couldn't hang on to the lead but, with hindsight, we didn't need to fear the Gooners. They were dangerous at times but so were we. We still have a lot of work to do and finishing and more accurate passing need attention urgently. The finishing is part of the lack of midfield creativity but when we have the right combination of players (Lamela, Ryan, Soldado, Kane, Eriksen when back on form) it works beautifully so getting that right is of paramount importance.

MoPo is experimenting steadily and methodically and I'm sure his patience in seeing how certain players gel to get results will pay off. Now we have to work on our patience.
 
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