Aston Villa Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[SpursDave88]

I think it's because we got out of jail. Red card and deflected free kick. We got lucky. But generally, our fans are expecting too much, too soon. Most teams wouldn't have come back, I think we all know, normally we wouldn't.either.

This guy isn't complaining though.

By definition most teams wouldn't have come back...otherwise it wouldn't be considered lucky...

 

[Good Doctor M]

By definition most teams wouldn't have come back...otherwise it wouldn't be considered lucky...

What do you mean?

With an hour left of football to play against a Villa side without a win in 5, I think most teams in the top 6 would still fancy their chances. It's the fact that with 6 minutes to go we found a win. That was what I meant by lucky. We didn't look like we could have done it without the red card. We relied on luck to get a win, that really, should have been fairly routine against a poor Villa side.

 

[Tit&Ham]

Totally deserved, even if we played very poorly. They probably had 3-4 good chances, and we had 6-7. In my mind only chances and goals count when talking about which team deserved the win.

 

[SteveH]

Some on here listen to Jamie "you sacked my dad" Redknapp too much!

We won away
Created 4or 5 good chances
Benteke is a handful for anybody when fit.
They had one shot on target!
We had 7

Villa are battling for their life and we won - its football.
This league is wide open!

 

[SpartanSpur]

Interesting game really, on the face of it we had numerous chances and two goals was the least we should have managed, but at the same time we conceded a few decent chances (quality over quantity) and really laboured to get back into the game, Villa almost looked comfortable for spells even with 10 men.

But at the same time there were some promising signs, mostly the fight and the (hopefully) confidence boost of the late turnaround.

Still some very significant concerns however with the performances of our captain and vice captain by far our biggest concerns. They really shouldn't be on the pitch at the moment. On top of that Capoue and Rose have regressed sharply in recent weeks and some of the crossing from Rose and Naughton reminded us of why them starting used to be our nightmare scenario.

Lamela, Chadli and Eriksen are so hot and cold at the moment its no wonder we are lacking consistency. Soldado is linking well and deserves a run but at the same time is looking nowhere near scoring.

One of the biggest concerns however has to be despite all the money we've spent, our best outfield players are academy products Mason and Kane. Its also a nice plus point but when you look at it that way its scary.

As for Poch I feel he still needs time as he inherited a miss but I would be lying if I said I didn't expect more of an impact from him by now. We need to stick by him as all the chopping and changing put us in this mess in the first place! Hopefully the confidence boost from this result helps the team play more to his 'philosophy'. Right now its our only hope...

 

[Shea]

By definition most teams wouldn't have come back...otherwise it wouldn't be considered lucky...

I think a lot of teams in the league would have come back when 1-0 down to Villa at Villa park while they're reduced to 10 men

I think a lot of teams would have come back and won comfortably against them to be honest

 

[SteveH]

Interesting game really, on the face of it we had numerous chances and two goals was the least we should have managed, but at the same time we conceded a few decent chances (quality over quantity) and really laboured to get back into the game, Villa almost looked comfortable for spells even with 10 men.

But at the same time there were some promising signs, mostly the fight and the (hopefully) confidence boost of the late turnaround.

Still some very significant concerns however with the performances of our captain and vice captain by far our biggest concerns. They really shouldn't be on the pitch at the moment. On top of that Capoue and Rose have regressed sharply in recent weeks and some of the crossing from Rose and Naughton reminded us of why them starting used to be our nightmare scenario.

Lamela, Chadli and Eriksen are so hot and cold at the moment its no wonder we are lacking consistency. Soldado is linking well and deserves a run but at the same time is looking nowhere near scoring.

One of the biggest concerns however has to be despite all the money we've spent, our best outfield players are academy products Mason and Kane. Its also a nice plus point but when you look at it that way its scary.

As for Poch I feel he still needs time as he inherited a miss but I would be lying if I said I didn't expect more of an impact from him by now. We need to stick by him as all the chopping and changing put us in this mess in the first place! Hopefully the confidence boost from this result helps the team play more to his 'philosophy'. Right now its our only hope...

I thought Villa were a 'busy' outfit with little cutting edge other than Benteke. We tend forget there are two sides playing quite often. Rose and Naughton well marshalled by Villa - I think Lambert a good job stopping us on the flanks - but other than Benteke had little threat.

There a few players being played to keep them in the shop window and keep the value as high as possible IMHO - not an easy task.

 

[Sweetsman]

I'm still laughing (as others have mentioned) at 'The Glare'. You know, that close up of Levy's face when we were 1 down.
If I was Poch, I'd keep my head down for a while, and avoid his phone calls. . .

Painful haemorrhoids.

 

[Good Doctor M]

I think a lot of teams in the league would have come back when 1-0 down to Villa at Villa park while they're reduced to 10 men

I think a lot of teams would have come back and won comfortably against them to be honest

Exactly. We didn't take advantage of the red. Left it late. We deserved a draw, but the win was lucky. We shouldn't be sitting here on a Monday talking about a lucky win. We should, ideally, be talking about how we took full advantage of not only a struggling Villa side, but also how we slaughtered them once they went down to 10 men.

Of course, we did no such thing. And frankly, I can't believe we got out of Villa park with 3 points.

 

[Blackcanary]

I thought Villa were a 'busy' outfit with little cutting edge other than Benteke. We tend forget there are two sides playing quite often. Rose and Naughton well marshalled by Villa - I think Lambert a good job stopping us on the flanks - but other than Benteke had little threat.

There a few players being played to keep them in the shop window and keep the value as high as possible IMHO - not an easy task.

I think we create threats to ourselves - there was mass flailing and panic whenever Villa had a run at us. Our own ineptitude in dealing with problems made them look more dangerous.

 

[Tit&Ham]

A little thought that hasn't been discussed as I can see:

Villa only had one game plan: Get the ball wide and cross it in the box.

What did we do to defend? We got narrow, so the could play wide, and then we had to react and moved out to press when crosses came in, leaving us a little short vs Benteke, Weimann, etc.

I can live with not getting the tactics spot on from the start, but why don't we adjust? This concerns me a bit. The worst thing is that it has been the same under 3 managers now so I'm wondering if it is the players inability to follow orders?

 

[SteveH]

Exactly. We didn't take advantage of the red. Left it late. We deserved a draw, but the win was lucky. We shouldn't be sitting here on a Monday talking about a lucky win. We should, ideally, be talking about how we took full advantage of not only a struggling Villa side, but also how we slaughtered them once they went down to 10 men.

Of course, we did no such thing. And frankly, I can't believe we got out of Villa park with 3 points.

I'm not a lover of stats but I think they do tend to tell over the long hall and Villa make us look Real . Villa were busy, but their lack of a cutting edge told. We had too many chances from their point of view. As we know to our peril, the buggers will eventually get a break and score.

 

[yido_number1]

Some on here listen to Jamie "you sacked my dad" Redknapp too much!

We won away
Created 4or 5 good chances
Benteke is a handful for anybody when fit.
They had one shot on target!
We had 7

Villa are battling for their life and we won - its football.
This league is wide open!

Exactly how I saw it. We were poor and sloppy at times but were by far the better team on the team. If we had taken our clear chances (Ade 1v1, Soldado header, Kaboul close range) we could of been out of sight and gone on to batter them.

 

[SteveH]

I think we create threats to ourselves - there was mass flailing and panic whenever Villa had a run at us. Our own ineptitude in dealing with problems made them look more dangerous.

I think this run throughout the team ATM. Jittery!

Though Kaboul was OK and I'm no fan. IMHO Fazio all the way.

 

[neptunes]

I think it's because we got out of jail. Red card and deflected free kick. We got lucky. But generally, our fans are expecting too much, too soon. Most teams wouldn't have come back, I think we all know, normally we wouldn't.either.

This guy isn't complaining though.

Neither am I mate. How many a time did we suffer a late goal coming against us which ended us taking f all from a game? Hope luck keep smiling on us. Anyone minds about luck smiling on us? And luck favours the brave. COYS.

 

[SteveH]

Exactly how I saw it. We were poor and sloppy at times but were by far the better team on the team. If we had taken our clear chances (Ade 1v1, Soldado header, Kaboul close range) we could of been out of sight and gone on to batter them.

We were wasteful - Villa could be in trouble until the get Benteka back and firing.

Poch is not looking in control ATM, might not see this till next season.

 

[Kendall]

Exactly how I saw it. We were poor and sloppy at times but were by far the better team on the team. If we had taken our clear chances (Ade 1v1, Soldado header, Kaboul close range) we could of been out of sight and gone on to batter them.

You say that, but Benteke hit the bar and narrowly missed a header that had Lloris well beaten. As I said in another thread, it could easily have been 3-3 at half time.

We did wrestle control in the second half though, despite being sloppy, we at least started to limit Villa's outlets even for the 20-25 mins before the red card. I thought we would win, up until about the 80 min mark when I began to doubt our creativity. The funny thing about this game is we scored two goals from set pieces, no creativity required and completely un-Tottenham.

 

[vigospur]

I can understand the negative reaction after a poor game. But I loved the attitude of the team when the tackles started flying in. We had a few really ready to stand up and be counted and in the long term that is a good building block.
In the short term Kane for Adebayor is a given. If Adebayor and Benteke had swapped sides yesterday we would have been out of sight.
Trying hard not to think about Ade in the Europa League on a Thursday. I doubt if his kit will need to go to the laundry.

 

[TottenhamLegend]

Great little piece on the celebrations last night: http://thepremierleagueowl.com/harry-kane-tottenham-and-the-joy-of-ten-man-goal-celebrations/

Harry Kane’s last-minute winner at Villa Park yesterday afternoon provided us with a reminder of why we love the game. There are few better spectacles than the a last-minute winner and a ten-man, ‘everyone into the corner’ goal-celebration.
When football lost the bond that used to exist between fans and players, the way goals were celebrated started to change. Over time, as the sport evolved into a business, the act of scoring became less joyful. Goalscorers were less frequently overcome by a Marco Tardelli-style mania and more prone to contrived poses and choreographed routines.
That’s not always true and we still see moments of self-deprecation but, generally, finding the net has become more about basking in the light of the television cameras than it has actually celebrating.
That Harry Kane moment was different – not least because it could have happened anywhere. On a school playing-field, on Hackney Marshes, or on a Premier League pitch in front of a global audience; it doesn’t matter – that was a universal celebration that, not only have we all seen at every level of the game, but most of us have probably taken part in at one point or another.
Football is at its best when you can reach out and touch it. In the present day, the top level of the sport is a gated community of millionaires, Oligarchs and impossibly beautiful women, and the fans are typically left outside, peering sadly through the railings. There really isn’t much to relate to anymore, and whereas once the team and the supporters were one in the same, now they are the stars and we are just the audience. Supporters are expected to pay, to sit down, to clap and then to leave quietly; the disconnect between the stands and the pitch has never been greater.
That’s what makes moments like yesterday so special. Their rarity, obviously, but also what they represent: a brief return to a time when the game was just about winning and football was joyful. The big bundle of Tottenham players in that corner of Villa Park last night may have had a staggering net-worth, but from the fans’ perspective they may as well have been watching themselves – that’s how they would have responded to a last-gasp victory, that’s how they would have celebrated.
Look at the faces of all the players, look at what it obviously meant to the scorer himself, and take note of just how uninhibited a reaction that really was. Wonderful. Harry Kane, wearing an expression of ‘dream come true’ delight didn’t bother with dance moves and didn’t lift his shirt to expose some tedious slogan, he just ran to the fans, a picture of sincere happiness and was mobbed by his mates.
It was amateurism at its very best.

 

[longtimespur]

Great little piece on the celebrations last night: http://thepremierleagueowl.com/harry-kane-tottenham-and-the-joy-of-ten-man-goal-celebrations/

Really good piece with a very significant point to make.

It was just like an amateur team on the marshes winning in the last minutes of a game.


Ab Fab. COYS and keep doing it.