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Attacking purchases under Poch

am_yisrael_chai

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Ultimately quality costs and nowhere is this more true than in the final third. Listed below are our purchases of strikers and attacking midfielders since Poch took over. By way of comparison you can see purchases of attacking players by City, Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Goons in the same period. This should go a long way to explain our issues and where the owners need to change the financial equation and/or dramatically improve our scouting.

14/15
Dele Alli £5m

15/16
Heung Min Son £22m
Clinton Njie £12m

16/17
Moussa Sissoko £30m
Vincent Janssen £18m
GKN £10m

17/18
Fernando Llorente £13m

City

14/15
Wilfried Bony £33m

15/16
KDB £55m
Raheem Sterling £50m
Patrick Roberts £12m

16/17
Leroy Sane £45m
Gabriel Jesus £32m
Nolito £18m

17/18
Bernardo Silva £45m

United

14/15
Angel di Maria £68m

15/16
Anthony Martial £55m
Memphis Depay £30m

16/17
Henrik Mkhitryan £30m
Zlatan Free

17/18
Romelu Lukaku £75m

Liverpool

14/15
Adam Lallana £30m
Lazar Markovic £22m
Divrock Origi £12m
Ricky Lambert £5m

15/16
Christian Bentekew £40m
Roberto Firmino £37m
Danny Ings £5m

16/17
Sadio Mane £37m

17/18
Mohammed Salah £38m
Alex Oxlade C £35m
Dominic Solanke £3m

Goons

14/15
Alexis Sanchez £38m
Danny Welbeck £18m

15/16
None

16/17
Lucas Perez £13m

17/18
Alexander Lacazette £48m
 

Gb160

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How does this 'explain our issues'?
We just tend to take punts on relatively unknown players on much lower wages than anyone else.

A better comparison would be against the clubs with a similar net spend to us...maybe you could whip that up?
 

dontcallme

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In 14/15 we outscored Liverpool.

In 15/16 we outscored everyone except City.

Last season we were top scorers.

Maybe just spending isn't the answer. Maybe we need to learn to deal with the challenges we are facing this season including different home ground, injuries, CL football, players out of form and teams parking the bus against us more.
 

Shadydan

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Yeah so basically we just need to pay higher wages to secure better talent, quick someone send this to Levy and co!!
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Yeah so basically we just need to pay higher wages to secure better talent, quick someone send this to Levy and co!!
No, basically we need to spend wiser with less scatter gun on hope for potential because our scouts don’t seem to be particularly good at finding gems.

Yes, if Levy doesn’t want a £1bn white elephant on his hands he needs to step up our purchasing and wages budgets. Come next season we will have the highest gate receipts in the league. Our top price executive seats will cost £7,000 per season compared to £4,000 at the goons. You can’t expect us, the fans, to pay more than any other club to watch the team and then serve up second tier product.
 
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Everlasting Seconds

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In 14/15 we outscored Liverpool.

In 15/16 we outscored everyone except City.

Last season we were top scorers.
Probably because we score a lot in matches of lessor prominence. There is no trophy for number of goals scored. We need more players who also can score when it reeeeeally matters.

Furthermore, OP is addressing a topic bearing in mind this season. August-December in PL, we have four goal scoring attacking players. Our fifth most scoring player is a defender.

We've spent plenty of time buying attackers who either belong in Championship or otherwise do not earn Pochettino's trust. That's just bad club management.

Always when people address structural issues like this, others pop up stating something along the lines of "look at how great we are, your issue is non-existing". Well, if we had done something more, we might/should have had a trophy by now. And that something more would have been to not buy N'jies, Sissokos and all the other rubbish.
 
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am_yisrael_chai

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In 14/15 we outscored Liverpool.

In 15/16 we outscored everyone except City.

Last season we were top scorers.

Maybe just spending isn't the answer. Maybe we need to learn to deal with the challenges we are facing this season including different home ground, injuries, CL football, players out of form and teams parking the bus against us more.
or just maybe squad building is a multi year undertaking and we are staring to see the issues of years of under investment.
 

Gb160

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No, basically we need to spend wiser with less scatter gun on hope for potential because our scouts don’t seem to be particularly good at finding gens.

Yes, if Levy doesn’t but want a £1bn white elephant on his hands he needs to step up our purchasing and wages budgets. Come next season we will have the highest gate receipts in the league. Our top price executive seats will cost £7,000 per season compared to £4,000 at the goons. You can’t expect us, the fans, to pay more than any other club to watch the team and then serve up second tier product.
Yes but how many of those executive seats are there?
What's the average season ticket price going to be, in comparison to Arsenal?
 

Shadydan

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No, basically we need to spend wiser with less scatter gun on hope for potential because our scouts don’t seem to be particularly good at finding gens.

Yes, if Levy doesn’t but want a £1bn white elephant on his hands he needs to step up our purchasing and wages budgets. Come next season we will have the highest gate receipts in the league. Our top price executive seats will cost £7,000 per season compared to £4,000 at the goons. You can’t expect us, the fans, to pay more than any other club to watch the team and then serve up second tier product.

So if our scouts aren't particularly good at looking for players then what are our rival's scouts doing that's different to us?

Or more importantly why do you think our defensive acquisitions have been better than our attacking ones?
 

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In 14/15 we outscored Liverpool.

In 15/16 we outscored everyone except City.

Last season we were top scorers.

Maybe just spending isn't the answer. Maybe we need to learn to deal with the challenges we are facing this season including different home ground, injuries, CL football, players out of form and teams parking the bus against us more.
All good points.. first big test for Poch I feel in how we navigate the rest of the season given all of these issues.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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Yes but how many of those executive seats are there?
What's the average season ticket price going to be, in comparison to Arsenal?
I spent some time in a former job looking at stadium financing. Two thirds of total stadium revenues come from the executive seats / boxes even tough they represent only 10% of attendance. Even with regular season tickets I’m expecting us to be more expensive than the goons so figure on the most expensive non-premium season tickets going up in price from £1500 to £2500. In case you were unaware we are also going to be asked to commit for a minimum of 3 years.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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So if our scouts aren't particularly good at looking for players then what are our rival's scouts doing that's different to us?

Or more importantly why do you think our defensive acquisitions have been better than our attacking ones?
well for a start they didn’t have numpties like Sherwood and Ferdinand anywhere near their scouting. Take a look at the scouting thread and honestly I think you will find more nous in there from posters than many of our scouts.

I think we have been better at buying defenders because defensive players fit our budget. Hence why we can buy Sanchez for £42m but couldn’t even think of buying an equivalently rated attacker.
 

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Probably because we score a lot in matches of lessor prominence. There is no trophy for number of goals scored. We need more players who also can score when it reeeeeally matters.

Furthermore, OP is addressing a topic bearing in mind this season. August-December in PL, we have four goal scoring attacking players. Our fifth most scoring player is a defender.

We've spent plenty of time buying attackers who either belong in Championship or otherwise do not earn Pochettino's trust. That's just bad club management.

Always when people address structural issues like this, others pop up stating something along the lines of "look at how great we are, your issue is non-existing". Well, if we had done something more, we might/should have had a trophy by now. And that something more would have been to not by N'jies, Sissokos and all the other rubbish.

I've never said it is non-exisitent. I also laid out varoius other reasons why we are struggling this season.

We've scored the same as Arsenal and 1 less than Chelsea so lets not pretend this is a complete disaster.

I am as disappointed as anyone this season but I believe £14m on a 32 year old backup striker so I don't our issue is as simple as lack of investment.

If we had not signed our players who turned out to be duds and only signed players who brilliantly we'd be doing better. Shame it has no basis on reality and even the billionaire clubs have a long list of failed signings.
 

Gb160

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I spent some time in a former job looking at stadium financing. Two thirds of total stadium revenues come from the executive seats / boxes even tough they represent only 10% of attendance. Even with regular season tickets I’m expecting us to be more expensive than the goons so figure on the most expensive non-premium season tickets going up in price from £1500 to £2500. In case you were unaware we are also going to be asked to commit for a minimum of 3 years.
Seems like of a lot of guesswork on your part in all honesty.
Quite frankly I couldn't give a crap what the executives seats cost, the people buying those can afford it.
I'm interested in the average season ticket price, as that's what the majority of fans will be paying, which you don't really answer.
 

dontcallme

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No, basically we need to spend wiser with less scatter gun on hope for potential because our scouts don’t seem to be particularly good at finding gens.

Yes, if Levy doesn’t but want a £1bn white elephant on his hands he needs to step up our purchasing and wages budgets. Come next season we will have the highest gate receipts in the league. Our top price executive seats will cost £7,000 per season compared to £4,000 at the goons. You can’t expect us, the fans, to pay more than any other club to watch the team and then serve up second tier product.

Serious question, who is doing better than us at finding gems in the Prem?

We have been consistently excellent for the last 2 seasons, finishing 2nd and 3rd. Now we are going through a rough patch you think we are "second tier."
 

fletch82

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So if our scouts aren't particularly good at looking for players then what are our rival's scouts doing that's different to us?

Or more importantly why do you think our defensive acquisitions have been better than our attacking ones?

The answer is nothing different at all
All the scouts know about eg: Greizman we could bid for him and offer him good wages but then the schites manures and goonies will also bid we may offer 100/150k wages not bad I hear you say but then the agent tells the others and they will double it so he isn't coming here that filters down in till we are at the what's left stage.
By now anyone the greedy shits do not want (or need) will be large gambles and maybe's.
Some may turn good most won't it's what the mancs chavs etc have turned football in to I see little our scouts can do about it to be fair apart from hip fire and hope for the best :(
 

Gb160

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Serious question, who is doing better than us at finding gems in the Prem?

We have been consistently excellent for the last 2 seasons, finishing 2nd and 3rd. Now we are going through a rough patch you think we are "second tier."
It's just reactionary bollocks because of yesterday's result.
Would he have started this thread if we hadnt lost?
I very much doubt it.
 

dontcallme

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All good points.. first big test for Poch I feel in how we navigate the rest of the season given all of these issues.

Absolutely.

He has a talented squad at his disposal. Really hope Wanyama and Lamela get back to fitness soon.
 

dontcallme

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It's just reactionary bollocks because of yesterday's result.
Would he have started this thread if we hadnt lost?
I very much doubt it.

Possibly not but from memory he has always been anti-Levy and thinks any issues we have are due to under-spending.

I think this season was always going to be a difficult one for the reasons I've listed in a previous post.

I'm not convinced simply spending more is the answer.
 
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