AVB's instructions a detriment to the team?

[mill]

The problem yesterday would have been overcome yesterday with even just one of Modric or VDV in the team, nevermind both of them.

Our midfield is terrible, in terms of intelligence and creativity. We didn't take a step back in that respect this summer, we took about 5 or 6 yrs off all our lives. Needs addressing and quickly or we will fall short and will deserve to.

Hell, just a genuine goal threat from midfield would be nice. Syggi hasn't filled that role. Simple as.

Not necessarily, we had plenty of games when we had both of them and stil struggled to break teams down who came and parked the bus, but now we're nearly completely devoid of creativity when before we had plenty

 

[Oshi]

The problem yesterday would have been overcome yesterday with even just one of Modric or VDV in the team, nevermind both of them.

Our midfield is terrible, in terms of intelligence and creativity. We didn't take a step back in that respect this summer, we took about 5 or 6 yrs off all our lives. Needs addressing and quickly or we will fall short and will deserve to.

Hell, just a genuine goal threat from midfield would be nice. Syggi hasn't filled that role. Simple as.

Trouble is also our most creative players in Lennon and Bale are relatively one dimensional in the way the chances are created. Fly to by-line and twat in a cross, not much use when all you have in the box is 7 Stoke players and Adebayor on his own with Pint size Defoe sitting in his top left.

We do miss Modrics vision and his ability to accept a pass under pressure, turn and lay it off. Same with VDV, accept the ball under pressure turn and let fly.

Loads of players outthere that on paper can fill the void its just getting one! Nasri, Aguero, Silva, mata, Hazard, RVP, Cazorla, Ozil, Di Maria, Kaka, Isco, Reus, Gotze, Robben, Ribery, Kroos, Sneijder, El Sharaawy, Turan, Barcelona.

All cost a few quid though

 

[Spurs1960]

If AVB had Modric and VDV we would score more.

He wouldn't play VDV if he had him, doesn't fit into his mobile strategy, that's why he decided to let him go.

 

[Spurs1960]

Players always have freedom. AVB cannot control every movement they make or decision they take (sung along to the police)
What I'm sure Andre does is - give the players a role to play, a job to perform how they go about ensuring this gets done is down to them.
I'm sure Defoe could come out and say
" he gives us all detailed instructions a 600 page dossier infact, we know and rehearse every single step we take (more police lyrics) during the week. Being so prepared gives us a massive confidence boost..... Definitely"

So to summize it's horses for courses. People always look for a solution with their past problems in mind maybe michu's last manager was a bit more detailed in his instructions than laudrup, michu is having the season of his life ergo its because laudrup tells them to just go out there and run about a bit. When infact it could be because of what he learned under his previous manager is paying dividends in these new situations he is finding himself in.

Defoe did come out and virtually said that.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

He wouldn't play VDV if he had him, doesn't fit into his mobile strategy, that's why he decided to let him go.

NO. VDV wanted to leave to live with his family in Germany.

 

[hellava_tough]

I don't think it really matters too much

If we had Moutinho, Willian and Llorente things would be very different

 

[Skye Sauces]

I don't think it really matters too much

If we had Moutinho, Willian and Llorente things would be very different

I should cocoa. If we had Podolski, Giroud and Gervinho things would be even diferenter.

 

[Spurs1960]

NO. VDV wanted to leave to live with his family in Germany.

Public Relations to appease supporters. He could have kept him if he'd wanted to. A new man comes in and gets rid of a supporters favourite, it makes perfect sense to go along with a PR story to appease them.

 

[parklane1]

Public Relations to appease supporters. He could have kept him if he'd wanted to. A new man comes in and gets rid of a supporters favourite, it makes perfect sense to go along with a PR story to appease them.

Rubbish, VDV wanted to take his family back to Germany and the club did the right thing and let him.

 

[maldini]

Rubbish, VDV wanted to take his family back to Germany and the club did the right thing and let him.

Rubbish, Modric wanted to take his family across to Chelsea and the club did the right thing and told him he's gonna stay and play or rot in the reserves.

 

[Fergus]

If AVB had Modric and VDV we would score more.

If AVB had John White, Jimmy Greaves, Bobby Smith, Juergen Klinsmann, Alan Gilzean, Teddy Sheringham, Glen Hoddle, Gary Lineker, Steve Archibald, Martin Peters, David Ginola, Dimitar Berbatov or Clive Allen we would score more. What's your point?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Remind me what Harry Redknapp was doing when he was 35..

What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

 

[guiltyparty]

This is a silly thread and it's unsurprisingly provoked silly reactions. Silly

 

[coldasice199]

Just think its down to losing the top class personel.

I think we are one of the top scorers in the prem anyway (?) and looking at our shots ratio in matches it is always pretty healthy.

So, yea, I disagree I guess

 

[parklane1]

Rubbish, Modric wanted to take his family across to Chelsea and the club did the right thing and told him he's gonna stay and play or rot in the reserves.

And you can not see the difference in the two situations?

 

[StartingPrice]

OP - No, I don't think it is anything to do with his instructions.

It is an old, old argument, really - AVB is hardly the 1st coach to issue his players with tactical instructions that he wants them to stick to.
There are two fundamental approaches:
1) Thorough preparation and instructions, and
2) Instinctive leadership that encourages players to play off confidence and inspiration.

Both approaches have their draw-backs - we saw some of them under Mr Redknapp, at which time many members of this forum were calling for a more tactically astute approach.

I think the best approach is somewhere in-between the two.

Why do you think AVB is inflexible? I have heard this said a few times this season, especially by journalists - who seem to have decided he was inflexible last season (and not that hewas given an impossible fecking job by Roman fecking Abramho-fecking-vich fecking). But it doesn't really stand up to scrutiny at all. We all know he has a preferred style of play - a 4-3-3 - and yet, due to personnel limitations, he has not only never had the chance to play it, but he hasn't bitched about it, or tried to force totally unsuitable players to play it. he has just got on with things. Part of him just getting on with things has seen us play with a lone striker (again, largely through constrictions), and also a 4-4-2 (which I am sure he would rarely play through conviction). He has also had a plethora of players absent at one time or another that has required him to play players out of position. I really can't see what is inflexible about all of this and really can't see why folk keep repeating the mantra that he is inflexible - apart, of course, from the fact that the myopic media have said it is so, and so it must be.

We have no idea how rigid his instructions are.
Yes, players do need things repeat endlessly - it doesn't matter how many times you tell some players to hold their position, they will still wander outside it and leave a big gap to be exploited.

Just look at the way we have been dropping off and eventually inviting pressure on in games - especially when we are in the total ascendant. I don't believe that is under AVB's minute instruction. I do think it is against any instruction he is giving - so, yeah, I think they probably do need to be constantly told to push up and stop dropping deep and just wish they would listen.

As others have pointed out, it isn't like we were free-flowing against teams like Stoke under Mr Redknapp, either.

But most importantly, again, this argument is as old as the hills - they were having the same argument between Brian Clough's the ball is your friend football, versus Don Revie's dossier for every player, for every game, for every team approach. And I don't think that it is fair to imagine that Brian Clough was a tactical buffoon, or that Don Revie stifled his players into having no creativity whatsoever - it is more complex than that.

And from a personal perspective: it's not fecking rocket science. If a player really is so stupid that he can't remember basic instructions, no matter how intensely they are drilled into their heads, like hug the touchline, or don't let the striker drop of you or get your cross into the back post because <PLAYER X> will be making a run there or don't give the ball to Defoe 'cos he's a greedy then, maybe, we should just get some players with more intellectual ability than a flea

/RANT

 

[eViL]

What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

OP compared AVB to HR.

Now go and change your tampax.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

OP compared AVB to HR.

Now go and change your tampax.

Still completely irrelevant isn't it?

 

[eViL]

Still completely irrelevant isn't it?

Muppet.

Why is it?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Why is it?

Oh Jesus.

Merry Christmas.