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sak11

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#81
I think that Jan is more dynamic in attack than Davies, so why not play Davies as the more defensive LCB with Jan as the wing back? Must be worth a try until Danny is back.
 

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#82
I think that Jan is more dynamic in attack than Davies, so why not play Davies as the more defensive LCB with Jan as the wing back? Must be worth a try until Danny is back.
Jan is just coming back from injury, I don't think he will be fit enough to play in the most labour intensive position in the team. He is also doing a great job of bringing the ball out from the back at the moment we'd lose that if Davies goes in a CB.
 

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#83
For me its impossible to compare Davies and Rose. Rose is the most improved footballer Ive ever seen at THFC. For Davies to improve as a player as much as Rose had would be miraculous and unfair.
 

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#84
I thought he looked good as well, he was is some great attacking positions IIRC.
Yes, he was but it wasn't utilized as it should, that is my problem playing him in that position

I think that Jan is more dynamic in attack than Davies, so why not play Davies as the more defensive LCB with Jan as the wing back? Must be worth a try until Danny is back.
I could live with that as I prefer Davies as LB or CB (in a back 3) rather than a LF

For me its impossible to compare Davies and Rose. Rose is the most improved footballer Ive ever seen at THFC. For Davies to improve as a player as much as Rose had would be miraculous and unfair.
I dont know why but this made feel sorry for Davies
 

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#85
Has signed a new contract until 2021.

I've been critical of him if I'm honest but I think the last game he played in showed that he very well may be a different player if he had a solid run in our team with his confidence improving. He's still quite a young guy too is he not?
 
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#88
Not sure that's the point, though. He's a good fullback, but not a good wingback. We need a backup wingback.
He's fine there really. Personally I'd consider playing him on the left of the back 3 and putting Jan at wingback but then you lose Jan's pure excellence (unless he's tripping over himself) at CB. Whoever plays there will be back up to the best LB/LWB in the league so we can't be too fussy, especially if Poch continues to alternate between formations.
 

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He's fine there really. Personally I'd consider playing him on the left of the back 3 and putting Jan at wingback but then you lose Jan's pure excellence (unless he's tripping over himself) at CB. Whoever plays there will be back up to the best LB/LWB in the league so we can't be too fussy, especially if Poch continues to alternate between formations.
Vertonghen would hate that, even though he's good at it.

I like Davies, think he's a good player who can just look below standard because rose and Walker are 2 of the finest on Europe.
Glad he's committed, just needs to stop faking with his hair at important moments
 

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Great news, very dependable player and great professional. Nice lad too from all accounts.

One roasting from Mane when completely unprotected in a game where the whole team were shocking does not make Davies a poor player.
 
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#91
If we're going to stay 3-4-3 I'd still like a more dynamic understudy for Rose.

We know that signing a new contract doesn't guarantee your long term future here, it's more Levy protecting their monetary value.
 

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#92
Good. You won't find many better back up left backs in the PL who knows he's second choice when Rose is fit.
Yup.

Don't get the negativity about him TBH.
He's 23 YO, so plenty of room for improvement. He rarely gets a proper run in the team. He's versatile...Poch likes that. He's the back-up. We couldn't afford someone as good as Danny Rose*, and if we could he would expect to play or he would leave. If he is so terrible, why are Chelsea supposedly sniffing around?

*If such a player exists...many consider Rose to be the best LB in the country.


Vertonghen would hate that, even though he's good at it.

I like Davies, think he's a good player who can just look below standard because rose and Walker are 2 of the finest on Europe.
Glad he's committed, just needs to stop faking with his hair at important moments
This is probably a big part of it. He slots in when Rose is out. He isn't Rose, he isn't as good as Rose, it is hugely unlikely that we could ever get back up that would be better than Rose. If we replaced him (internally or externally) with someone better than Rose, fine - we support THFC not Ben Davies FC. But it is hardly a priority or even something to see as a negative at this stage IMHO.

And I agree, think he is quite decent really. How many folks on here were slagging Danny Rose off when he was 23 YO? Doubt many of them thought DR had the improvement in him that he has shown (fortunately, I wasn't one of them :) )?
 

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#93
Ben Davies biggest problem is he lacks pace which isn't a major issue unless you play for Poch as the demands he puts on his full backs is insane. Poch wants them to be leading the attacks but the problem with that is if you lack the pace to get back you are only one slight mistake from looking like a twat.

How many times have we seen walker or rose get back and redeem themselves for being out of position or giving the ball away?

Still a pretty decent backup but also put back up full backs play fairly often so he needs to be better than decent really.
 

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I generally run hot and cold on Davies, but considering his age, versatility, and our less-than-perfect record on transfers recently, I'm happy to see him sign this extension. He is like a lot of young players, in that his confidence seems to fluctuate wildly, even within games. You saw the same thing from Danny Rose during the AVB days, and look how much he improved. It's not a given that Davies will gain a little more nerve, and even if he does, I can't imagine him ever being as good as Rose, but it's reassuring to view his mistakes in veins that allow for improvement in the future.
 

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#95
Too be honest, he's coming into his own now he's had a bit of a run in the team, people are being a bit over the top about how he isn't good enough to play wing back. He's actually got a pretty decent cross on him, he's very athletic, and gets up and down the wing very well.

It's a big ask to step into the team and suddenly perform when the first choice player gets injured half way through the season, especially someone of the calibre of Rose.

He's a great rotation player of you ask me. We have the best set of wing backs in the league in Rose, Walker, Trippier, and Davies.

The new contract is great news.
 

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He's fine there really. Personally I'd consider playing him on the left of the back 3 and putting Jan at wingback but then you lose Jan's pure excellence (unless he's tripping over himself) at CB. Whoever plays there will be back up to the best LB/LWB in the league so we can't be too fussy, especially if Poch continues to alternate between formations.
But that's my point. If you're thinking about swapping Verts and Davies then doesn't that suggest we need a better wingback for cover? I'm not saying sell Davies, but we need a backup wingback.
 

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Ben Davies biggest problem is he lacks pace which isn't a major issue unless you play for Poch as the demands he puts on his full backs is insane. Poch wants them to be leading the attacks but the problem with that is if you lack the pace to get back you are only one slight mistake from looking like a twat.

How many times have we seen walker or rose get back and redeem themselves for being out of position or giving the ball away?

Still a pretty decent backup but also put back up full backs play fairly often so he needs to be better than decent really.

Seems to happen less with 3 at the back (which is one of the things I like most about the system). The 3 CBs are less stretched and the wing backs can take a few more risks going forwards.
 

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He's fine there really. Personally I'd consider playing him on the left of the back 3 and putting Jan at wingback but then you lose Jan's pure excellence (unless he's tripping over himself) at CB. Whoever plays there will be back up to the best LB/LWB in the league so we can't be too fussy, especially if Poch continues to alternate between formations.
The benefit of having Davies is that we are sure to see Vertonghen go on more of those driving runs, as Davies has the knowledge to fill into that position, whereas Rose would probably stay up top and offer support. We get the best of both worlds I think.
 
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But that's my point. If you're thinking about swapping Verts and Davies then doesn't that suggest we need a better wingback for cover? I'm not saying sell Davies, but we need a backup wingback.
I don't really agree. My point about swapping them is as much to do with Davies being comfortable in a back 3 as it is about Jan being excellent going forward. I don't think we can just buy a back up left wing back when we already have Rose, Vertonghen, Davies and Wimmer who are all left sided defenders and can do the job there. I think Davies does ok there personally. He's not a worldy, but he isn't expected to be seeing as he's a back up. I'd rather promote a youngster once in a while if needed rather than go out and sign someone in an already well covered position. Obviously if he gets injured, we're fucked, but that would be the case anywhere on the pitch if our first choice and back up got injured.

I know there's a massive difference to our style and quality when Rose plays instead of Davies but I have to say I'm ok with Davies, except for when he brushes his hair literally whilst trying to defend a shot.
 
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