Benjamin Pavard

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

The most Stuttgart have ever spent on a transfer is £8m, the most they have ever received is £13.5m.

Surely if we bid say £45m and give them an extra £10m on top of what his release clause would be next year they'd have to sell. That's a whole new record signing they'd be missing out on if they didn't

 

[dtxspurs]

The most Stuttgart have ever spent on a transfer is £8m, the most they have ever received is £13.5m.

Surely if we bid say £45m and give them an extra £10m on top of what his release clause would be next year they'd have to sell. That's a whole new record signing they'd be missing out on if they didn't

Have a hard time buying that he is worth more than Davinson was.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Have a hard time buying that he is worth more than Davinson was.

Another year on, inflations only going to get higher I reckon.

All I do think is bang on is our Toby replacement needs to be one of these two. I can't think of a young, financially available and impressive pair than these two that fit the mould of what we're after

I also love how he started getting emotional and welled up when FIFA showed him a video of his parents saying how proud they were of him halfway through the tournament. I bet Poch would have loved that!

 

[JB_Spurs]

Have a hard time buying that he is worth more than Davinson was.

He's worth whatever Stuttgart deem acceptable for him. That's it.

 

[Cochraam]

Is Pavard capable of playing on the left side of a CB pair? My main worry with our CBs is who provides cover for Jan, who played about 4,200 minutes last year (roughly 46 games) and has spoken of wanting to lessen the load on his body to lengthen his career. Who covers the 10-15+ games Jan doesn't play? Is Pavard a capable LCB or de Ligt? Or are we fine with one of our current players (Foyth, Dier, maybe Sanchez)? Ideally, the player we bring in for Toby's squad spot is capable of covering Jan and starting in a back 3. In that respect, the flexibility of Pavard seems great, but I'm still unsure of how different a left-sided CB is vs. right-sided, and I wonder whether Pavard or de Ligt are comfortable enough in that LCB role to provide cover.

 

[not_tenth-again]

The most Stuttgart have ever spent on a transfer is £8m, the most they have ever received is £13.5m.

Surely if we bid say £45m and give them an extra £10m on top of what his release clause would be next year they'd have to sell. That's a whole new record signing they'd be missing out on if they didn't

They’ve pretty much already done their off season business and pre-season games have started so they’re not looking for change.

Having said that, it’s a pretty pragmatic board they have now so it’s do-able.

It’s still a healthy buyout clause next year so the offer will have to be good.

To put it in context though, Stuttgart were the form side of the league after the break, after being a relegation threat early on. In the end they only missed out on Europe because Bayern lost the cup final. They thumped Bayern in the last game of the season too... admittedly off very little possession, but still, the club has ambition and momentum. Bayern has also done their usual and weakened some of the teams around them by buying their players... and a coach. It must be very tempting for the club and him to hang on and find out what the team is capable of first..... his sale will be a record for the club this year or next year, it doesn’t matter. Could they reach Europe without him... probably not. Could they reach Europe with him... quite possibly.

It’s a big call for all involved.

FWIW... I don’t think he will push for a move and I doubt Stuttgart will be sufficiently tempted.

 

[matty74]

They’ve pretty much already done their off season business and pre-season games have started so they’re not looking for change.

Money talks though and I very much doubt Stuttgart could turn down a 40m offer reading about there record deals for ins and outs it’s alot of money and a huge profit they would make on pavard.

Definitely a deal could be done o suppose it depends on levy and how much he bids and how small the structural payments are

Having said that, it’s a pretty pragmatic board they have now so it’s do-able.

It’s still a healthy buyout clause next year so the offer will have to be good.

To put it in context though, Stuttgart were the form side of the league after the break, after being a relegation threat early on. In the end they only missed out on Europe because Bayern lost the cup final. They thumped Bayern in the last game of the season too... admittedly off very little possession, but still, the club has ambition and momentum. Bayern has also done their usual and weakened some of the teams around them by buying their players... and a coach. It must be very tempting for the club and him to hang on and find out what the team is capable of first..... his sale will be a record for the club this year or next year, it doesn’t matter. Could they reach Europe without him... probably not. Could they reach Europe with him... quite possibly.

It’s a big call for all involved.

FWIW... I don’t think he will push for a move and I doubt Stuttgart will be sufficiently tempted.

 

[Lighty64]

Is Pavard capable of playing on the left side of a CB pair? My main worry with our CBs is who provides cover for Jan, who played about 4,200 minutes last year (roughly 46 games) and has spoken of wanting to lessen the load on his body to lengthen his career. Who covers the 10-15+ games Jan doesn't play? Is Pavard a capable LCB or de Ligt? Or are we fine with one of our current players (Foyth, Dier, maybe Sanchez)? Ideally, the player we bring in for Toby's squad spot is capable of covering Jan and starting in a back 3. In that respect, the flexibility of Pavard seems great, but I'm still unsure of how different a left-sided CB is vs. right-sided, and I wonder whether Pavard or de Ligt are comfortable enough in that LCB role to provide cover.

no but Sanchez played the left side for Columbia

 

[dtxspurs]

I personally think the left side/ride side is pretty over rated. Sure its great if you can get a left footed player but there are plenty of teams that survive with strong defenses without a left footed CB.

 

[Japhet]

I personally think the left side/ride side is pretty over rated. Sure its great if you can get a left footed player but there are plenty of teams that survive with strong defenses without a left footed CB.

The problems really come when you are tackling with your 'wrong' foot. As a CB you usually try to push the attacker wide (i.e. away from the centre of the goal, in which case a right footed CB would need to tackle with his left foot, which isn't ideal. Some players get by, some don't.

 

[dtxspurs]

The problems really come when you are tackling with your 'wrong' foot. As a CB you usually try to push the attacker wide (i.e. away from the centre of the goal, in which case a right footed CB would need to tackle with his left foot, which isn't ideal. Some players get by, some don't.

It's certainly ideal but Man City gets by with it, Barca got by with it with Pique and Macscherano, Bayern currently, Real Madrid, Atletico, Chelsea, PSG, ManU, etc. It really isn't that big of a deal to play 2 right footed CB's.

 

[Cochraam]

I personally think the left side/ride side is pretty over rated. Sure its great if you can get a left footed player but there are plenty of teams that survive with strong defenses without a left footed CB.

I agree footed-ness is overrated, and didn't intend my post to be interpreted as saying we need a left-footed player. However, I do imagine there are differences in playing on the left vs. right (reading threats, positioning, body shape when defending, passing/clearing, etc.) and just wonder how capable/comfortable Pavard, de Ligt, or our current players are on this side. But maybe there isn't as much of a difference between the two sides as I imagine, and it's all moot. Mostly I was curious whether our targets had any experience with LCB or whether people think it doesn't matter, so appreciate the thoughts.

 

[Japhet]

It's certainly ideal but Man City gets by with it, Barca got by with it with Pique and Macscherano, Bayern currently, Real Madrid, Atletico, Chelsea, PSG, ManU, etc. It really isn't that big of a deal to play 2 right footed CB's.

All of the teams you've mentioned are teams that tend to dominate their opponents and, as such, don't come under that much pressure. The margins for success at the top are so fine that anything that matters at all, matters a lot. A left and right sided CB pairing is better than an unbalanced pairing, all things being equal.

 

[dtxspurs]

All of the teams you've mentioned are teams that tend to dominate their opponents and, as such, don't come under that much pressure. The margins for success at the top are so fine that anything that matters at all, matters a lot. A left and right sided CB pairing is better than an unbalanced pairing, all things being equal.

All things being equal of course, but I just don't think its that big of a deal.. At the end of the day you play your best players, if they're both right footed I don't think its an issue.

We dominate most of our opponents as well...

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Have a hard time buying that he is worth more than Davinson was.

Compeltely agree. However, his goal at the World Cup may well have added another £10m or so onto his value in the eyes of some people. Even though that's a one-off and really not what a CB is signed to do, it will have put his name about more in the media and caused more people to pay attention to him in subsequent games, if nothing else.

 

[rabbikeane]

I personally think the left side/ride side is pretty over rated.

Not if we're going with a back three. Being on the side of their strong foot is important for our possession play, as we've seen both Toby and Jan function as extra midfielders. Them with Sanchez between them was perfection for the little time we were allowed them.

 

[aussie spur]

I guess if we can't get Pavard or another quality CB to replace Toby, we could go for another DM (barrios etc) and push Dier into becoming a full time CB.

 

[Fidget]

I thought he was a stand out at WC playing RB and for his attacking play. I thought his defensive side was suspect at times, but that’s to be expected. Essentially we would be getting him as CD so I’m not sure how much we can derive from his WC performances beyond the fact he can player RB very well.

maybe Poch would be thinking a bit further than just central defence with hin. in fact pretty sure he would be thinking of the whole player.

 

[DJS]

Is Pavard capable of playing on the left side of a CB pair? My main worry with our CBs is who provides cover for Jan, who played about 4,200 minutes last year (roughly 46 games) and has spoken of wanting to lessen the load on his body to lengthen his career. Who covers the 10-15+ games Jan doesn't play? Is Pavard a capable LCB or de Ligt? Or are we fine with one of our current players (Foyth, Dier, maybe Sanchez)? Ideally, the player we bring in for Toby's squad spot is capable of covering Jan and starting in a back 3. In that respect, the flexibility of Pavard seems great, but I'm still unsure of how different a left-sided CB is vs. right-sided, and I wonder whether Pavard or de Ligt are comfortable enough in that LCB role to provide cover.

Could also possibly view Davies as an option?

Would then need to make sure retain Rose and bring in another player in Rose mould for competition / rotation.

 

[T-Love92]

SWR (local tv-station - pretty reliable i think) saying that he signed a pre-contract with FC Bayern for 2019 - and that they are now in negotiations about a move this summer - with Stuttgart obviously demanding more in that case.

They say he has a release clause in 2019 of 35 m euro (which seems reasonable) - he just said, that he don't know where he's playing in the future

Link Transfermarket germany

Looks like he's going to Bayern ... Stuttgart demanding north of 50m for him this summer, maybe we can jump infront of Bayern if we bid what Stuttgart wants