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Lomachenko has only had 11 professional fights?! Feels like the hype around him has been about for ages. Suppose he did win a couple of gold medals, too. Surprised to see he has a loss on his record too, definitely one of the most naturally gifted boxers I've ever seen.
 

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Lomachenko has only had 11 professional fights?! Feels like the hype around him has been about for ages. Suppose he did win a couple of gold medals, too. Surprised to see he has a loss on his record too, definitely one of the most naturally gifted boxers I've ever seen.
His second professional fight was for a world title, not sure any boxer in history has aimed so high so early in their career. He won the world title in his third fight.

His last four opponents have given up not through being badly beaten but because mentally they just could not handle him.

Add in two Olympic gold medals and 396 wins out of 397 and for once the hype is truly justified.
 
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Great weekend for boxing.

Degale beaten and ridiculed by Eubank Jr and Groves, hopefully the unlikeable prick is done now.

Lomachenko put on an absolute masterclass. Really hope he moves up in weight to take on Crawford and Garcia.
 

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Lomachenko has only had 11 professional fights?! Feels like the hype around him has been about for ages. Suppose he did win a couple of gold medals, too. Surprised to see he has a loss on his record too, definitely one of the most naturally gifted boxers I've ever seen.
His loss was to Salido for the WBC World Title in his second professional fight...and although he lost, it was a split decision in a fight where Salido didn't make weight (and lost his belt anyway) and came in 11lbs heavier than Lomachenko before the fight.

The referee was fucking brutal too, most low blows I've seen anyone get away with in a big fight.

Lomachenko has been after a rematch for a long time, he would outclass Salido now. I don't think there are many that could come close to him...maybe Mikey Garcia, but I'd still favour Loma.

If anyone hasn't seen him before I'd highly recommend checking him out.

Daniel Dubois with another KO in the first 3 rounds on Saturday, Skybet have him 1/3 to win a heavyweight title in the next 2-3 years or something stupid. Rumoured to have already knocked down (the overrated IMO) AJ in training. Real British future contender if he has the chin/legs (remains to be seen)!
 
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His loss was to Salido for the WBC World Title in his second professional fight...and although he lost, it was a split decision in a fight where Salido didn't make weight (and lost his belt anyway) and came in 11lbs heavier than Lomachenko before the fight.

The referee was fucking brutal too, most low blows I've seen anyone get away with in a big fight.

Lomachenko has been after a rematch for a long time, he would outclass Salido now. I don't think there are many that could come close to him...maybe Mikey Garcia, but I'd still favour Loma.

If anyone hasn't seen him before I'd highly recommend checking him out.

Daniel Dubois with another KO in the first 3 rounds on Saturday, Skybet have him 1/3 to win a heavyweight title in the next 2-3 years or something stupid. Rumoured to have already knocked down (the overrated IMO) AJ in training. Real British future contender if he has the chin/legs (remains to be seen)!
Yeah, I watched some highlights of the Salido fight on my lunch - he practically beat Lomachenko off he was hitting below the belt so much. I think sometimes it can be good for a fighter to get a loss out of the way early on, you can learn more from a defeat than a win and I'm sure that spurs (coys) him on.

You always get those rumours of the top fighters being put down in sparring, but I don't think it means much. In a few years I think Dubois could win it all, but anybody that catches a shot from Joshua is getting knocked out, imo. If they meet down the line, I think it'll just be a case of who catches who first, though I was impressed at Joshua's recovery after Klitschko put him on his arse.
 

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I'm just not overly convinced by Joshua's stamina after so many fights, remains to be seen if Dubois has stamina or a chin, but I like his power and his positioning in the ring for a big lad. Don't rate Wilder or Joseph Parker that highly either.

Honestly think Fury isn't finished yet, would like to see Joshua v Fury.

Heavyweight division is a bit stale at the moment IMO. Needs someone to come through or step up from Cruiser/Light-Hevyweight.
 

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The thing with boxers is you often can't tell their level until they are truly tested.

David Price had an aura invincibility to him until he got knocked out by Thompson.

Fury never impressed me but then showed his level with his performance against Klitschko.

Joshua has shown he can get in a tough situation and still fight through. He certainly has champion level qualities but I think bulking up is a mistake.

Wilder has not yet been tested but I was massively impressed with the manner in which he beat Stiverne. But if this is a case of him just being about to smash through lowlevel opponents or if he has the stuff to be a true champ is yet to be seen.
 

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I'm just not overly convinced by Joshua's stamina after so many fights, remains to be seen if Dubois has stamina or a chin, but I like his power and his positioning in the ring for a big lad. Don't rate Wilder or Joseph Parker that highly either.

Honestly think Fury isn't finished yet, would like to see Joshua v Fury.

Heavyweight division is a bit stale at the moment IMO. Needs someone to come through or step up from Cruiser/Light-Hevyweight.
I don't think it is stale at all.

Joshua, Wilder and Parker are all undefeated champs with Fury hoping to make a comeback and Whyte also trying to make a name for himself I think it is a great time for heavyweights as far as competition is concerned.
 

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The thing with boxers is you often can't tell their level until they are truly tested.

David Price had an aura invincibility to him until he got knocked out by Thompson.

Fury never impressed me but then showed his level with his performance against Klitschko.

Joshua has shown he can get in a tough situation and still fight through. He certainly has champion level qualities but I think bulking up is a mistake.

Wilder has not yet been tested but I was massively impressed with the manner in which he beat Stiverne. But if this is a case of him just being about to smash through lowlevel opponents or if he has the stuff to be a true champ is yet to be seen.
It’s true, especially at heavyweight, that you never can tell what a fighter has until he is asked the questions.

Price, at no point had an aura of invincibility though mate! Anyone who had seen his am career knew he was a knockout waiting to happen.

It’s going to be interesting watching who comes out on top if and when these heavyweights face off against each other. If he comes back fully fit and on form, Fury will take some beating
 

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It’s true, especially at heavyweight, that you never can tell what a fighter has until he is asked the questions.

Price, at no point had an aura of invincibility though mate! Anyone who had seen his am career knew he was a knockout waiting to happen.

It’s going to be interesting watching who comes out on top if and when these heavyweights face off against each other. If he comes back fully fit and on form, Fury will take some beating
Yes he did, he was knocking people out left and right. ESPN had him as prospect of the year so even the Yanks thought he had potential.

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/8784628/david-price

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-is-right-to-be-heavyweight-heir-8498211.html

But anyway I think Joshua will come out on top of the current crop. Just think he needs to lose a bit of the bulk as he has slowed down.
 

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Yes he did, he was knocking people out left and right. ESPN had him as prospect of the year so even the Yanks thought he had potential.

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/8784628/david-price

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-is-right-to-be-heavyweight-heir-8498211.html

But anyway I think Joshua will come out on top of the current crop. Just think he needs to lose a bit of the bulk as he has slowed down.
But, he had been wiped out a few times as an am and had beat nobody above domestic level. There were plenty who knew he’d crumble as soon as he stepped up. I personally thought it would have been at a higher level than old man Thompson though.

Safe money says Joshua, and he absolutely needs to trim that size down a bit. I don’t think we’ll ever see the best of Fury again unfortunately.
 

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But, he had been wiped out a few times as an am and had beat nobody above domestic level. There were plenty who knew he’d crumble as soon as he stepped up. I personally thought it would have been at a higher level than old man Thompson though.

Safe money says Joshua, and he absolutely needs to trim that size down a bit. I don’t think we’ll ever see the best of Fury again unfortunately.
Tyson didn't make the olympics as he wasn't a great amateur. Plenty of stories of boxers unbeatable at amateur and in sparring but different as a pro and vice-versa.

I hope Wilder does step up as the American crowd can make for some great big money fights.
 

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Lomachenko v Rigondeaux

Surprised Rigo was so badly outclassed, Lomachenko is one of the most talented fighters I've ever seen.
Lomachenko did what he had to do, I dont think he looked anything special in that fight. Rigo looked like he was just there for the payday, too much holding. Lomachenko now should have a rematch with the guy who beat him and then move up and figh the best guys.

Glad Degale lost, met him once going into a lift, I thought he was a prick, really thinks a lot of himself.
 

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Tyson didn't make the olympics as he wasn't a great amateur. Plenty of stories of boxers unbeatable at amateur and in sparring but different as a pro and vice-versa.

I hope Wilder does step up as the American crowd can make for some great big money fights.
Tyson didn’t make the Olympic squad because he was young and didn’t have enough experience, he turned pro at 18. Had he stuck around for the next Olympics he’d have made the squad and won gold, no problem whatsoever. He had about 30 amateur fights in total, lost 2/3, one to Price when Fury was only 17. He actually reached qualification standards but GB made it clear they were going with Price, which was the right call at the time 100% so Fury tried to represent Ireland, but turns out he couldn’t prove he was Irish so turned over.
He was also a world junior bronze medalist. He was a class amateur with no real experience. Price in comparison had fought about 100 times by the time he won bronze, with 30 odd international bouts. That’s huge experience.

You’re right though about plenty of ams not up to much who go on to become great pros, and vice versa. Price’s issues were never, ever possible to solve though. Glass chins will always hold you back unfortunately!
 

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Anyone watch the Conor Benn fight the other night?

Got knocked down twice in the first round but knocked his opponent down in the last two rounds and won on points.

A lot of people not happy with the result but when I scored it round by round I had him up by 2 points.

Not sure where he goes. He has little amateur boxing experience and this shows. He is nowhere near ready to step up and is only 21.

He needs a lot of experience before he can fights high level fighters. If he does this he gets accused of fighting bums. If he steps up before being ready he'll lose.
 
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Saunders to win, looking forward to it. BJS is a very good boxer.

Looking forward to Tyson coming back, want to see him slap Tony Bellew about a bit.