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THX2208

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I thought Billy Joe Saunders boxed fantastically this evening. I know the level of opponent was not great but given Bill has been out of the ring for 14 months I think he looked really sharp tonight.
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SargeantMeatCurtains

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I get that everyone has their favourite boxer and that creates bias, but is there a single self respecting Wilder fan who truly believes:

1. Fury was lucky to escape with a draw, and:
2. Joshua is the one ducking Wilder

Because twitter is absolutely rife with fuckwits who believe both of those statements.
 

Gareth88

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I feel like we may never see Joshua v Wilder, Fury v Joshua or Fury v Wilder II. All Super fights that would make millions.
 

haxman

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After another demonstration of the raw punching power that Wilder has, I still can't believe Tyson Fury got up from that shot in the 12th in their fight. AJ v Wilder needs to happen.

I get that everyone has their favourite boxer and that creates bias, but is there a single self respecting Wilder fan who truly believes:

1. Fury was lucky to escape with a draw, and:
2. Joshua is the one ducking Wilder

Because twitter is absolutely rife with fuckwits who believe both of those statements.

There's your post summarised.
 

SugarRay

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I don’t think Fury felt the full power, he certainly didn’t get hit with that shot that out Breazeale away. If that lands, Fury isn’t getting up.

I think Wilder knocks him out in any rematch. Worth noting how light he was against Fury. For a relatively light heavyweight, he was actually 12 lbs or so below his optimum weight ( he was only 214lbs v Fury but was 226lbs last night )

I don’t think Fury takes the rematch anytime soon anyway. He’s on a run of bums for easy money.

AJ almost needs to make a statement in two weeks now. Especially if Wilder is ringside...or perhaps he labours a bit to entice Wilder in to the fight? Either way, needs to happen. No more Breazeales, Ruiz’s or the pathetic Schwarz! If they don’t fight each other at least face level B heavyweights and not level C ( or F in Schwarz’s case )
 

SE Spurs

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Getting totally disillusioned with boxing. The heavy weight division should be serving up some of the best fights in the sport right now. Yet cash and greed are preventing it. And by the time AJ and Wilder / Fury do finally meet in the ring, and Hearn has cleaned up, we'll be watching more fighters beyond their prime.
So much mouth, but no one wants to fight.
 

Gareth88

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I don’t think Fury felt the full power, he certainly didn’t get hit with that shot that out Breazeale away. If that lands, Fury isn’t getting up.

I think Wilder knocks him out in any rematch. Worth noting how light he was against Fury. For a relatively light heavyweight, he was actually 12 lbs or so below his optimum weight ( he was only 214lbs v Fury but was 226lbs last night )

I don’t think Fury takes the rematch anytime soon anyway. He’s on a run of bums for easy money.

AJ almost needs to make a statement in two weeks now. Especially if Wilder is ringside...or perhaps he labours a bit to entice Wilder in to the fight? Either way, needs to happen. No more Breazeales, Ruiz’s or the pathetic Schwarz! If they don’t fight each other at least face level B heavyweights and not level C ( or F in Schwarz’s case )

I think it plays almost the same in the rematch Fury took Wilder into deep waters(12 rounds) over that amount of time Wilder's power would have reduced slightly especially if he was missing with heavy shots in earlier rounds. I think again in a rematch we may see a draw or possibly a Fury win.

You are right though Fury will fight bums, Wilder will fight bums and Joshua will fight bums. I don't see Hearn letting Joshua damage his image/brand in a war with Wilder. I think Wilder would be favourite in that one for the early rounds at least.
 

Thewobbler

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Getting totally disillusioned with boxing. The heavy weight division should be serving up some of the best fights in the sport right now. Yet cash and greed are preventing it. And by the time AJ and Wilder / Fury do finally meet in the ring, and Hearn has cleaned up, we'll be watching more fighters beyond their prime.
So much mouth, but no one wants to fight.

If wilder and AJ dont meet next then this sport is a disgrace. It seems to be the norm these days, have one hard fight then cash in on beating a inferior opponent after.

dazn offered wilder 100m for 3 fights, one he had last night and 2 with AJ and he rejected it.
 

poc

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I don’t think Fury felt the full power, he certainly didn’t get hit with that shot that out Breazeale away. If that lands, Fury isn’t getting up.

I think Wilder knocks him out in any rematch. Worth noting how light he was against Fury. For a relatively light heavyweight, he was actually 12 lbs or so below his optimum weight ( he was only 214lbs v Fury but was 226lbs last night )

I don’t think Fury takes the rematch anytime soon anyway. He’s on a run of bums for easy money.

AJ almost needs to make a statement in two weeks now. Especially if Wilder is ringside...or perhaps he labours a bit to entice Wilder in to the fight? Either way, needs to happen. No more Breazeales, Ruiz’s or the pathetic Schwarz! If they don’t fight each other at least face level B heavyweights and not level C ( or F in Schwarz’s case )
Agree fury didn't take a punch like that but then I don't think Wilder lands that on fury anyway. Brezeale I'm not sure what he was doing with that low left anyway. I'm interested to know who your B fighters are? Ruiz is a decent fighter imo and would be in that bracket. AJ with miller and now Ruiz had and has the toughest of the three fights. Other than that I guess Ortiz and whyte, kownacki is that who you mean?
 

yankspurs

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If wilder and AJ dont meet next then this sport is a disgrace. It seems to be the norm these days, have one hard fight then cash in on beating a inferior opponent after.

dazn offered wilder 100m for 3 fights, one he had last night and 2 with AJ and he rejected it.
Errrm, boxing’s already a disgrace? The sport disgraces itself virtually every time it goes to the judges scorecards...

I agree they should fight next but the sport is already a joke.
 

yankspurs

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Getting totally disillusioned with boxing. The heavy weight division should be serving up some of the best fights in the sport right now. Yet cash and greed are preventing it. And by the time AJ and Wilder / Fury do finally meet in the ring, and Hearn has cleaned up, we'll be watching more fighters beyond their prime.
So much mouth, but no one wants to fight.
No one fights because there promotions are much happier booking them against lesser fighters where they can make bank while keeping their fighters propped up.
 

yankspurs

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I get that everyone has their favourite boxer and that creates bias, but is there a single self respecting Wilder fan who truly believes:

1. Fury was lucky to escape with a draw, and:
2. Joshua is the one ducking Wilder

Because twitter is absolutely rife with fuckwits who believe both of those statements.
They’re all ducking eachother
 

Spurrific

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Joshua would beat Wilder, Brezeale rocked him and Joshua has about as much power as Wilder himself, imo. Maybe slightly less but with far more technique.

I don’t think Wilder would have it all his own way with Whyte.
 

SugarRay

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Agree fury didn't take a punch like that but then I don't think Wilder lands that on fury anyway. Brezeale I'm not sure what he was doing with that low left anyway. I'm interested to know who your B fighters are? Ruiz is a decent fighter imo and would be in that bracket. AJ with miller and now Ruiz had and has the toughest of the three fights. Other than that I guess Ortiz and whyte, kownacki is that who you mean?

A - Joshua, Fury, Wilder

B - Whyte, Povetkin, Parker, Ortiz

C - Breazeale, Ruiz/Miller ( to be fair, both could become B level, Ruiz gave Parker a good argument and Miller, well he’s a cheat ) Kowanacki, Chisora etc

There’s some interesting prospects, Hrgovic, Ajagba, Dubois/Gorman winner, Joyce etc but they’re all a few fights away from any class. Any could fall in to B, with a small chance of A.

Usyk is the enigma. He could beat them all. I don’t think he will, but make everyone the same size and he’d absolutely toy with all those above.

Regards Wilder Fury 2, I don’t think Fury is interested. He’s said as much. I don’t think he’ll fight for much longer which is a shame but he’s never really pushed himself to build a great body of work. Been a pro a long time and has faced two A level types then everything below that is safety C, D, F types. Doesn’t like a risk unless it’s for big, big rewards.
 

SugarRay

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They’re all ducking eachother

I don’t think that’s entriely true.

Hearn and Joshua want the bigger slice of any fight.
Wilder wants to maximise it and to be fair, last night will have done him no harm in his quest for 50/50.
Fury? Got himself back to the top level, landed a big deal and will milk it unashamedly for all its worth! I really can’t stress how awful Schwarz is, thing is he’s given a pass for some reason because he has no real title.

Can see each point, but it’s shit for the fans and for the sport.

Very disappointing to see Ortiz brought in to the ring last night. Going over old ( old being the operative word... ) ground?

Big part of me wants Usyk to bring his A game to the heavyweights and beat them all. He’ll certainly fight them all based on his career at cruiser!
 
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