Cain Hoy say 'No'.

[matthew.absurdum]

It's got to a stage where this Has to happen for our club to move forward.

If it doesn't we will continue to fall as the clubs above us will improve and the ones below catch us up and then inevitably over take us.

ENIC are no longer fit for purpose. They are supposed to be an investment company. Where is the investment?

Can someone also explain to me why it took them 8 years to release the stadium plans? Even in sugars day it was obvious that our ground was not going to be fit for purpose.

Quite simply a take over has to happen. Either these guys or someone else who can improve us and get us competing again.

IMO we have the history and the potential with our fan base and brand to be amongst the very elite. We are historically a bigger club than both Chelsea and City , I would say potential we have always been bigger than Liverpool with our location.

United and Arsenal were both behind us commercially and on the field not that long ago. I can remember when gazza signed for us instead of United and believe it or not younger fans we used to be a much more attractive option than arsenal

Don't get me wrong I know we are currently behind all these clubs but with the right management and investment the sky really is the limit for our great club.

Finally I can agree with you, Jimbo!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It's got to a stage where this Has to happen for our club to move forward.

If it doesn't we will continue to fall as the clubs above us will improve and the ones below catch us up and then inevitably over take us.

ENIC are no longer fit for purpose. They are supposed to be an investment company. Where is the investment?

Can someone also explain to me why it took them 8 years to release the stadium plans? Even in sugars day it was obvious that our ground was not going to be fit for purpose.

Quite simply a take over has to happen. Either these guys or someone else who can improve us and get us competing again.

IMO we have the history and the potential with our fan base and brand to be amongst the very elite. We are historically a bigger club than both Chelsea and City , I would say potential we have always been bigger than Liverpool with our location.

United and Arsenal were both behind us commercially and on the field not that long ago. I can remember when gazza signed for us instead of United and believe it or not younger fans we used to be a much more attractive option than arsenal

Don't get me wrong I know we are currently behind all these clubs but with the right management and investment the sky really is the limit for our great club.

Who are you and what have you done with Jimbo78?

 

[Jimbo78]

I'm actually sick of seeing my club not being run properly.

In recent years I've seen Arsenal build and pay for a new ground

Chelsea overtake us on the pitch and build a bigger ground than us (pre abromovic)

Even West ham will have a bigger ground than us in a year or so?!

Through the sugar years we were not run properly as he really didn't see the potential of a London club in the ever increasingly popular English premier league. (And this guy is supposed to be a great businessman?!) he failed in every area commercially, built everything on the cheap with a lack of foresight. Built a training ground that wasn't fit for purpose a few years later. Then didn't deal with the obvious stadium issue.

Then ENIC have come in and yes have improved the club but can't take us forward.

Time for some proper investment and ambition I think.

 

[Rupstoh]

You miss my point, is the "City" type investment scenario now to a large extent a thing of the past due to FFP?

With your better knowledge, please tell us all you can.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'm actually sick of seeing my club not being run properly.

In recent years I've seen Arsenal build and pay for a new ground

Chelsea overtake us on the pitch and build a bigger ground than us (pre abromovic)

Even West ham will have a bigger ground than us in a year or so?!

Through the sugar years we were not run properly as he really didn't see the potential of a London club in the ever increasingly popular English premier league. (And this guy is supposed to be a great businessman?!) he failed in every area commercially, built everything on the cheap with a lack of foresight. Built a training ground that wasn't fit for purpose a few years later. Then didn't deal with the obvious stadium issue.

Then ENIC have come in and yes have improved the club but can't take us forward.

Time for some proper investment and ambition I think.

The only thing regarding the stadium that you can blame on Levy/ENIC was the Stratford stuff- apart from that he hasn't really done anything wrong

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

I`d love to see the take over by Cain Hoy. Surely the debate about our current owners and prospective new owners is intertwined. You really can't separate the one from the other

You are right, you can't but the rest of us can. Please go to the Levy thread.

 

[Bobbins]

So. Lets look at your list

50`s league champions, runners up twice, 3rd twice

60`s league champions, runners up twice, 3rd twice 1 european trophy

70`s 3rd place finish and a couple of league cups. One european trophy

80`s 3rd twice, 4th twice, 2 FA cups, 1 european trophy

90`s. Poor league form, but Fa cup winners, League cup winners.

2000+ Enic ownership.

Your Point !

Well hold on, based on what you've written for previous years, shouldn't that at least read:

2000+ 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th, League Cup Winners, Champion's League Quarter Finalists?

Isn't that already at least better than the 90's?

Even allowing for you completely and utterly ignoring the Chelsea/City lottery wins, of course.

I don't think ENIC have been perfect - the desperation for the CL has, IMO, cost us the potential to have won several cups over the years, and the constant player trading and manager changes do my head in, but it's factually not possible to deny we are now an established top 6 club, as compared to a mid-table club when ENIC took over.

 

[Bulletspur]

Finally I can agree with you, Jimbo!

I was just about reply the same!

 

[Jimbo78]

The only thing regarding the stadium that you can blame on Levy/ENIC was the Stratford stuff- apart from that he hasn't really done anything wrong

Really?

Why didn't they look at the obvious stadium issue as soon as they arrived in 2000?

How come it took them 8 years to release the plans?

The since then they have failed to get the thing past the purchasing of the necessary business/land.

I have read that best case we are look at 2018 worst case 2022 if they go along with the current plans

So this will be approx 20 years from when ENIC came in to fix the obvious stadium issue.

Come on now. Are they really not to blame?

 

[Lilbaz]

Levy out. For the simple reason then we might actually be able to talk about news relating to Spurs.

 

[nidge]

Still some complete shite being typed in this thread. And most of it has nothing to do with a potential take over unsurprisingly enough.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Really?

Why didn't they look at the obvious stadium issue as soon as they arrived in 2000?

How come it took them 8 years to release the plans?

The since then they have failed to get the thing past the purchasing of the necessary business/land.

I have read that best case we are look at 2018 worst case 2022 if they go along with the current plans

So this will be approx 20 years from when ENIC came in to fix the obvious stadium issue.

Come on now. Are they really not to blame?

Maybe because we weren't able to build a new stadium financially?

Again, the "failure" of not getting past purchasing land isn't ENIC's fault. It's Archway being cocks.

 

[sweetness]

I look at the facts. Things that are indeed black and white. I see no shred of evidence to suggest ENIC have been succesful owners. Certainly not by the parameters by which I would judge. The sooner they leave, and get their grubby snouts out of the club, the better. Thats my opinion.

Color blindness and general loss of eyesight. Time for the ophthalmologist?

 

[Jimbo78]

Maybe because we weren't able to build a new stadium financially?

Again, the "failure" of not getting past purchasing land isn't ENIC's fault. It's Archway being cocks.

They've lost out then haven't they?! Not a very good "investment" company then?!

Joe Lewis alone is worth billions. As an investor and a Clever business man they should of raised the capital somehow earlier get he thing done before. We could of and should of had the thing built by now.

In turn ENIC would of made more money on their investment wouldn't they? As that's all we are to them. An investment where eventually they would see a return.

They have failed.

They have also failed on the pitch as well as we didn't built on our success like we should of done, but that's for another thread.

We need new owners. People with ambition and the necessary capital. I'm sick of seeing us missing the boat everyime due to lack of foresight and ambition.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

They've lost out then haven't they?! Not a very good "investment" company then?!

Joe Lewis alone is worth billions. As an investor and a Clever business man they should of raised the capital somehow earlier get he thing done before. We could of and should of had the thing built by now.

In turn ENIC would of made more money on their investment wouldn't they? As that's all we are to them. An investment where eventually they would see a return.

They have failed.

They have also failed on the pitch as well as we didn't built on our success like we should of done, but that's for another thread.

We need new owners. People with ambition and the necessary capital. I'm sick of seeing us missing the boat everyime due to lack of foresight and ambition.

Surely when they bought the club, the aim would be to improve the club. They have, therefore they haven't failed.

 

[neilp]

Loving this thread, but unfortunately have had to add someone to my ignore list. Don't like to do it really, but it does give me a feeling of satisfaction.

 

[Jimbo78]

Surely when they bought the club, the aim would be to improve the club. They have, therefore they haven't failed.

They have failed on the obvious stadium issue.

I remember in the late 90's it was blindingly obvious we needed a new ground as the popularity was increasing year on year

When we had standing I've been inside WHL with around 50k people (always felt like a lot more too!)

36k was always going to be too small!!! Yet here we are 20 years later and we still have a 36k stadium whilst every one of our rivals fixed the issue

It's a joke. Yes they have failed.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

They have failed on the obvious stadium issue.

I remember in the late 90's it was blindingly obvious we needed a new ground as the popularity was increasing year on year

When we had standing I've been inside WHL with around 50k people (always felt like a lot more too!)

36k was always going to be too small!!! Yet here we are 20 years later and we still have a 36k stadium whilst every one of our rivals fixed the issue

It's a joke. Yes they have failed.

But do you think they've failed overall?

Because if improving the club is a failure, then...

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I wouldn't mind "failing" with a profitable company that's worth more than ten times what I paid for it in 2001 without even having built the stadium that will increase its value still further.

You as a supporter may think they've failed, and maybe they have from a point of view other than their own. I doubt anyone looking at them as an investment company thinks they've failed though.

But we're not investment managers, we're supporters, so I do agree that we have different priorities, but I don't think it's right to say they've failed.

 

[The Scarecrow]

They have failed on the obvious stadium issue.

I remember in the late 90's it was blindingly obvious we needed a new ground as the popularity was increasing year on year

When we had standing I've been inside WHL with around 50k people (always felt like a lot more too!)

36k was always going to be too small!!! Yet here we are 20 years later and we still have a 36k stadium whilst every one of our rivals fixed the issue

It's a joke. Yes they have failed.

"Every one of our rivals", like Chelsea, who play in a 41k stadium, or Everton, who play in a 39k stadium. There are plans to build a new stadium, and planning such a construction on a site where there's a whole lot of existing buildings (including our current stadium) takes time. It's how the system works, and that's not ENIC's fault.