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Can anybody who booed Adebayor explain why they booed him?

talkshowhost86

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Re paragraph one, absolutely.

I have no reason to think that would be a major shift. He has played for six different clubs in his career. He's clearly an odd character, and more complex than you're average footballer partly because he doesn't help himself I don't think, partly because of what he's gone through, but I wouldn't say he's been happy to sit out his contract. Excuse the clumsy sentence.

As SB alluded to, I'd rather have him on the bench if needs be to get a goal or protect a lead than have him at another club for the next four months. And if Kane gets injured, he and Poch will need to earn their money to really step up.

Previously in his career he's always had someone bigger or at least at the same level willing to take him on, and certainly people who can pay his wages which has been a big factor in his decision making by all accounts (albeit for charitable reasons at times).

So that's why he's never sat out a contract, and even if he hasn't sat out a contract, he has clearly caused upheavel at other clubs in the short period before leaving which gives me concerns as to what trouble he might cause when that period is extended to 5 months.

Considering there's already been talk about him falling out with players/siding with Kaboul etc, I just see it as being much more likely that he'll be a hindrance rather than a help in the next few months.

I hope I'm wrong though.
 

cozzo

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We're in the COC final, if Kane gets injured between now and then he's got a chance of playing or at least being on the bench at Wembley depending on who Poch would choose. We're also 5th in the league and challenging at the right end, we have world class facilities at our training ground etc. What do QPR have? And it's all well and good saying, "but a player should want to play football", but before West Brom on Saturday he had made 3 appearances (starting or on the bench) in the last 4 games.

If it was a straight choice between all that and going to QPR with a dogshit little ground, and fighting a relegation battle, is anyone genuinely surprised?

I'm not saying I'm glad he didn't go, I'm questioning why it appears we're laying the blame at his door. If all we wanted was to get shot of him then Levy should have let him go to West Ham, would have made more sense than just to let him rot in the reserves paying him the same wages anyway.

The reason I asked the question in the first place was I don't get why the events of yesterday have made his position any more untenable than it was before the start of the window.

But I think @Mullers has got it spot on, it's more to do with the fact people love to hang their hat on a rumour, and for many they are just disappointed that for whatever reason he is still here with us, that's where the vitriol is coming from.

Bang on!! The haters are always going to hate and will look for anything to continue their hate campaign....and some wonder why some players think twice about joining us when they see fellow professionals getting treated like shit by the fans. I understand if you don't rate him as a footballer or he doesn't suit the system, but the stuff being aimed at him for just existing tantamount to bullying the man. No one can provide anything factual about what he has done to make them hate him. Just rumours and speculation.
 

Coyboy

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Previously in his career he's always had someone bigger or at least at the same level willing to take him on, and certainly people who can pay his wages which has been a big factor in his decision making by all accounts (albeit for charitable reasons at times).

So that's why he's never sat out a contract, and even if he hasn't sat out a contract, he has clearly caused upheavel at other clubs in the short period before leaving which gives me concerns as to what trouble he might cause when that period is extended to 5 months.

Considering there's already been talk about him falling out with players/siding with Kaboul etc, I just see it as being much more likely that he'll be a hindrance rather than a help in the next few months.

I hope I'm wrong though.

Maybe, I don't think it's clear and I think it tends to get overblown . In France, I have vague memories that he may have had some problems with Metz but I am not sure what about, or if there was anything at Monaco. At Arsenal he clearly left for the money, but is that much different to Toure, Clichy, Sagna or Nasri? He was excellent for Arsenal for most of his career there and I don’t remember Wenger having many problems with him. I also don’t recall Mourinho having any problems with him. He seemed to fall out at City but Mancini fell out with others too and frankly they had better strikers. I am certainly not saying he is blameless, I remember him being absolutely awful when we beat them 3-0 in 2009 but I think some of the ‘problems’ he has had have been overblown and the manager has been at least partly to blame (see AVB).

That may be the issue that he is headstrong and opinionated and doesn’t cede to authority for the sake of it. There were stories about him being reprimanded for suggesting Dawson shouldn’t play in a high line (not the stupidest idea ever) or not taking his hat off (this isn’t primary school). A lot of what’s gone on seems to be spin one way or the other, and no one really knows the entire story at any of his clubs.

The fact is he is here, he seems to have a decent relationship with Poch and we need to get behind him. If we are lucky, we may not need to play him at all for the next few months though I’d fear for Kane if he didn’t get some rest. But he will certainly come off the bench and if he is booed, those who boo him are just simply disgraces and not the supporters we need at our club. They embarrass the club.
 

mpickard2087

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I can only see this situation getting worse. And as has been mentioned I too feel the flames are going to have been fanned by the 'ITK' of being told to go/refusing to leave of the last few days... Not sure I buy it though. Adebayor, when available, has been in and around the squad and chalked up plenty of appearances. He might be a player we look to move on, but over the season I don't see the evidence for Poch having no time for him and absolutely wanting rid. It also doesn't really seem Poch's, or Levy's, style to effectively tell a player to fuck off and force them out.

As I say though, I think this will run and run.
 

Geyzer Soze

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Well he's still here. Oh well. Of course he will get support but he doesn't deserve a spot in front of Soldado IMO.
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talkshowhost86

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Maybe, I don't think it's clear and I think it tends to get overblown . In France, I have vague memories that he may have had some problems with Metz but I am not sure what about, or if there was anything at Monaco. At Arsenal he clearly left for the money, but is that much different to Toure, Clichy, Sagna or Nasri? He was excellent for Arsenal for most of his career there and I don’t remember Wenger having many problems with him. I also don’t recall Mourinho having any problems with him. He seemed to fall out at City but Mancini fell out with others too and frankly they had better strikers. I am certainly not saying he is blameless, I remember him being absolutely awful when we beat them 3-0 in 2009 but I think some of the ‘problems’ he has had have been overblown and the manager has been at least partly to blame (see AVB).

That may be the issue that he is headstrong and opinionated and doesn’t cede to authority for the sake of it. There were stories about him being reprimanded for suggesting Dawson shouldn’t play in a high line (not the stupidest idea ever) or not taking his hat off (this isn’t primary school). A lot of what’s gone on seems to be spin one way or the other, and no one really knows the entire story at any of his clubs.

The fact is he is here, he seems to have a decent relationship with Poch and we need to get behind him. If we are lucky, we may not need to play him at all for the next few months though I’d fear for Kane if he didn’t get some rest. But he will certainly come off the bench and if he is booed, those who boo him are just simply disgraces and not the supporters we need at our club. They embarrass the club.

I agree that we don't know the full story, but how many players do you know that have so many 'stories' connected with them? Obviously it could all be one media fuelled load of nonsense, but with Adebayor there has been so much smoke throughout his career that I'm prepared to bet there's at least a fire or two that's gone on.

But I completely agree with you on what happens now. Either we freeze him out completely (if he's being a dick) or we include him as part of the squad and get behind him when he plays.

Anyone who boos him is, as you say, an embarrassment.
 

Coyboy

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I agree that we don't know the full story, but how many players do you know that have so many 'stories' connected with them? Obviously it could all be one media fuelled load of nonsense, but with Adebayor there has been so much smoke throughout his career that I'm prepared to bet there's at least a fire or two that's gone on.

But I completely agree with you on what happens now. Either we freeze him out completely (if he's being a dick) or we include him as part of the squad and get behind him when he plays.

Anyone who boos him is, as you say, an embarrassment.

Yep agreed, I wouldn't say for one second he is blameless. But it becomes political, no one knows the truth of it all.
 

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Bang on!! The haters are always going to hate and will look for anything to continue their hate campaign....and some wonder why some players think twice about joining us when they see fellow professionals getting treated like shit by the fans. I understand if you don't rate him as a footballer or he doesn't suit the system, but the stuff being aimed at him for just existing tantamount to bullying the man. No one can provide anything factual about what he has done to make them hate him. Just rumours and speculation.
I'd be willing to bet 99% of the players don't give a toss what fans think when they consider joining a team (any team). They are only concerned about what their wages will be, what the bonuses/incentives are like, whether they will win any trophies and so enhance their career and any other number of things that impact their lifestyle.

The fans are just a bunch of no-nothing muppets that they'd probably rather not have any interaction with if at all possible.
 

cozzo

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I'd be willing to bet 99% of the players don't give a toss what fans think when they consider joining a team (any team). They are only concerned about what their wages will be, what the bonuses/incentives are like, whether they will win any trophies and so enhance their career and any other number of things that impact their lifestyle.

The fans are just a bunch of no-nothing muppets that they'd probably rather not have any interaction with if at all possible.

Yeah I agree, players are so distant from fans in this day and age. Players are so uncomfortable talking to fans, you can see some actually hate it.
 

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Embarrassing that people can slag off Ade to the hill then back Soldado. If you dislike Ade because you believe he is useless (despite his scoring record) then surely you have the same feeling towards Soldado?
 

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Embarrassing that people can slag off Ade to the hill then back Soldado. If you dislike Ade because you believe he is useless (despite his scoring record) then surely you have the same feeling towards Soldado?
I think the difference would be in the amount of effort and enthusiasm expended in doing what they each do.
 

nuttynoah

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Not me but maybe people boo because he still manages to have smile on his face which would put the Cheshire cat to shame at the end of a game even if we lose.
 

Borks

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I think the difference would be in the amount of effort and enthusiasm expended in doing what they each do.

I would try hard for Spurs, would you rather I play than Ade?

Stupid post, Soldado puts in no more effort than Ade he just acts differently. If we're going to love enthusiasm, why did we get rid of Holtby?
 

nightgoat

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Bang on!! The haters are always going to hate and will look for anything to continue their hate campaign....and some wonder why some players think twice about joining us when they see fellow professionals getting treated like shit by the fans. I understand if you don't rate him as a footballer or he doesn't suit the system, but the stuff being aimed at him for just existing tantamount to bullying the man. No one can provide anything factual about what he has done to make them hate him. Just rumours and speculation.

Who has turned us down due the response to Adebayor by a small minority of the crowd at two games?
 

BuryMeInEngland

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I would try hard for Spurs, would you rather I play than Ade?

Stupid post, Soldado puts in no more effort than Ade he just acts differently. If we're going to love enthusiasm, why did we get rid of Holtby?
No more of a stupid post than yours quite honestly. Just a different opinion.

But you're right that Soldado 'acts differently'. He acts as if he is a member of the team. He acts like he wants to contribute. He acts like he's glad to be playing here. All the things that Adebayor doesn't.
 

Borks

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No more of a stupid post than yours quite honestly. Just a different opinion.

But you're right that Soldado 'acts differently'. He acts as if he is a member of the team. He acts like he wants to contribute. He acts like he's glad to be playing here. All the things that Adebayor doesn't.

I'd be glad to be playing at Spurs as well if I was on 60k or whatever a week and doing fuck all towards contributing to the team. Maybe your argument would be stronger when Soldado gets anywhere near Ade's scoring record at Spurs.
 

Kiedis

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I've never been a fan of Adebayor, but if he gets us the winner against Arsenal and/or Liverpool, I'm having his children.

Because I'm just that easy.
 

SpurSince57

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Previously in his career he's always had someone bigger or at least at the same level willing to take him on, and certainly people who can pay his wages which has been a big factor in his decision making by all accounts (albeit for charitable reasons at times).

So that's why he's never sat out a contract, and even if he hasn't sat out a contract, he has clearly caused upheavel at other clubs in the short period before leaving which gives me concerns as to what trouble he might cause when that period is extended to 5 months.

Considering there's already been talk about him falling out with players/siding with Kaboul etc, I just see it as being much more likely that he'll be a hindrance rather than a help in the next few months.

I hope I'm wrong though.

To be precise, we've had some pretty solid ITK about a ruck after the Stoke game. Given that it's a stone-cold certainty that tempers would have been running high and accusations of blame flying about (I've known things get seriously frazzled after a Sunday morning game, and I expect a lot of other SC members have too) that's not really a surprise; if Adebayor hadn't been involved I doubt we'd have heard about it. I'm pretty sure it's been blown up because of his involvement, and because Pochettino backed Kane and the young players over his captain and vice-captain. (One might question Pochettino's judgement in making those appointments, but that's another debate.)

That's essentially it, although one of our more intellectually challenged members distorted events so that it became Adebayor and a gang of players setting about Kane. We've had other ITK suggesting that his head isn't right (to which one might reply, 'So what else is new?'), and all the ju-ju stuff. Clearly, all is not well; he's been poor all season (but no worse than Soldado, for whom it seems endless excuses can be reeled out). However, Pochettino doesn't seem to have given up on him by any means—as S-B pointed out, he's appeared in three of our last four games—so one has to assume that there hasn't been a terminal breakdown in relations. Why did we try and offload him? Who knows? Perhaps the offers came in and we thought we'd take advantage if we could. It would make sense. The messages are mixed, to say the least.

What gets me are the double standards. When Zokora went down with malaria in 2006 (before people realised that he was actually pretty crap) you'd have thought he was at death's door and our season was over; Ade gets it, it's as if he did it deliberately. Many of those boo-ing Ade were probably singing the praises of Stupor Pav, one of the laziest buggers I've seen in a Spurs shirt, who made Ade look like Roy of the fucking Rovers. And this time last year, people were begging for us to sign Berbatov. I'm not surprised, though. He was a Gooner, so that's a massive black mark against him for a start (Gallas got enough stick for that), and he came with a deserved reputation for being a prima donna and a bit of a mercenary. And the Stupids were probably upset that the club had stopped them singing the Elephant Song, so when he had the temerity to suggest that some of our supporters, you know, actually did some supporting, that did it. And then, of course, we have the highly qualified body language interpreters who also happen to have the full inside spec on what's happening behind the scenes who declare that just because he's out of form he doesn't give a shit.

Chances are, we're going to need him at some stage this season. If Kane, heaven forfend, gets crocked, or if he runs out of steam or into a lean spell, the only other choice is Soldado, who struggles to get a shot on target, never mind in the back of the net. (Chadli is not a No. 9.) The sensible thing would be to get behind him.
 
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