Can I trust Tottenham not to let me down again?

hellava_tough

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#41
the earlyest i remember was arsenal gettin shit hot. and same as you, i was the token yid that got the stick on a monday after being stuffed by i dont know... bradford!!!

IMO we deserve it more than anyone right now and your right its getting close, so close i think i can see it on the horizon!
I agree.

After so many years of pain! It's going to be so sweet when it happens!
 

hellava_tough

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#43
i wont be your buddy till you announce your occupation. be it lawyer, or tramp.
I'm a...hang about!

I know a stalker when I read one. I bet you're a 48 year old divorcee after my name, address, phone number and my sweet, sweet virgin ass.

Well you're not going to get it. No siree!

It's perverts like you who give porn-lovers a bad name!
 
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#44
ha yeah that right.......... bet your only 16 and i intimidate you but you need to log off soon and get some sleep for your maths GCSE tomorrow lol.
 
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#46
i am 64 years old ;my first match i went with my dad it was 1951 i was 7years old i don't remember much at all about it.my real memories start from about 1958...and every year since ;and i mean every year.i was filled with renewed optimism .its no different even now if i was filled with the doom and gloom of some;i would not bother to renew my season ticket..roll on next season we are going to break into the top four ;also win a cup or maybe two.
 

davidmatzdorf

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#47
Pedant corner. Obscure point, but here we go anyway.

"Disinterested" is not a synonym for "uninterested". Not a lot of people know that, as Michael Caine would say.

To be "disinterested" in something actually means that you have not invested your money in it. So if you're "disinterested" in Spurs, it means that you don't own shares. Alternatively, it means "neutral", as in "not taking sides". What it doesn't mean is "bored".

The word that every 3rd poster on this thread is looking for is "uninterested", which means that something has not attracted your attention.

I thank you.
 

Pinto

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#49
You are wrongly assuming that I have been a Spurs fan since birth which is not the case :wink: Shame really, I'd have seen a bit more silverware :-(



You've have wrongly latched on to the disinterested part of my post and applied it to the entire post. There is no question of me giving up completely, going away for good and especially not going off to another team! There is no attitude other than trying to seperate and distance myself from the usual pre-season over-expectations and actually wait for a ball to be kicked so I can make up my own mind about where I think we are going and how new players settling in. Last season the expectation levels were higher than they had been for many years but they clashed head-on with behind the scene problems, injuries and another batch of players who had yet to settle in. I was gutted that another year went by in the familiar position of midtable when I was told by the so-called experts that the next stop was top 4. As so many others have noticed in this thread, it is not about giving up, it's about getting a sense of perspective by forming your own opinions based on the actual stuff that happens on the pitch. That's the reason I'm clearing the decks, clearing my head of the over-analysis, I'm going into the new season with hope, as I said things are progressing, just not over-inflated hope.

And as for coming on here just to talk about our new players, nobody on this site is given a charter on what they should talk about concerning Spurs. This is a viewpoint from a Spurs fan who seems to be in sympathy with quite a few other fellow Spurs fans and the whole point of having a Community of this size is to share many different opinions. So if I take a backseat right now (not as you put it 'jump off the bandwagon'), it is perfectly within my rights to do so.

So you write you are disinterested and I am the one who is wrong?? Like I said before I thought most of what you said was right on the mark, just didn't like the way you started it.

Silly argument so one more time :cheers: no hard feelings
 

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#50
Great thread- living in the US means I always go online after the threads are done!
Personally, Ii'm pretty certain that this next season will be much like the last one- full of ups and downs- heroes and goats! Who the hell knows how we'll finish- (to borrow a phrase that's used around my neck of the woods)That's why they play the games! In a nutshell: that's what being a Spurs fan is all about, and win or loose, we drink the booze!
COYS!!!!:beer:
 

Coyboy

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#52
I watched a spurs v wimbledon game on ESPN the other day from late 90's the year we nearly got related under Gross. Apart from Klinsmann the team was full of compete dross and managed by a half bald unknown idiot. The vague hope and optimism of breaking into the top four we now have as spurs fans seems light years away from these days and we should think ourselves lucky. However I cant help but dread that familar dismal away performance on the opening day against boro and going down to a wonder scored by someone who will never ever score a goal like it in his career again.
You have got to be banned for calling Ginola 'dross'.
 

chico

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#53
I must be one of the older gits on SC .My dad took me to my first game in the 72/73 season. Apart from being at the famous 4-2 victory over Leeds Utd in 1975 I saw alot of dross in the mid seventies . I watched a very young Hoddle breaking into the side ,and the likes of Jennings,Perryman,and Alfie Conn (a fave of mine at the time) . These were lean times ,our ground held over 50,000 and was sometimes only half full, we'd come to the end of the Bill Nick era ,even the pitch was shite! And yet I still loved it , and everything about being a Spurs fan!
The last few years have generally been very exciting ,plenty of goals, some star players and some reasonable success. Imagine being at a club where you could never hope to sign a Modric or a Dos Santos.....at a club not blessed with Keane and Berbatov up front over the last two seasons....at a club with a dull manager getting his side to play sterile football like Curbishley?
My Spurs supporting friend be very grateful for supporting a club with tradition,style,class and expectation. A club genuinely striving for better things on and off the pitch. I agree with some of the previous posts that achieving this success will not be easy , and there will be glitches along the way. BUT ENJOY THE RIDE...AND SUPPORTING WHAT WE "FEEL AND BELIEVE" IS THE GREATEST CLUB IN THE WORLD!
COYS
 

Coyboy

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#54
Pedant corner. Obscure point, but here we go anyway.

"Disinterested" is not a synonym for "uninterested". Not a lot of people know that, as Michael Caine would say.

To be "disinterested" in something actually means that you have not invested your money in it. So if you're "disinterested" in Spurs, it means that you don't own shares. Alternatively, it means "neutral", as in "not taking sides". What it doesn't mean is "bored".

The word that every 3rd poster on this thread is looking for is "uninterested", which means that something has not attracted your attention.

I thank you.
Off the top of my head, I was under the impression that 'disinterested' was neutral as you say, not taking a view one way or another. While 'uninterested' means purposefully bored, detached and almost irritable about something or someone.

For example, I am disinterested about horse racing. I really couldn't care less, it doesn't affect me. But I am totally uninterested in Rugby and go out of my way to show and express as much.

I think it was my English teacher that told me that. But he was a Leicester fan. So maybe it was after we beat them in 99 and I took the piss.
 

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I don't know the exact nuances of 'disinterested/uninterested', but I basically take the DM line that these are best seen as 2 different words -

I'm not interested in football (it bores me) = 'uninterested'

A referee is however (or should be) 'disinterested' - ie having no bias to one side or other - but presumably will (indeed should) be interested in football

when looking for the opposite of 'I have a vested interest in' we should be looking for terms like 'I'm disinterested' not 'uninterested'
 

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#57
Back to the point - I totally agree with the sentiment. I can't remember feeling less positive about a new season. It's weird, because we have already made some great signings, it's just that ... well, what is it?

I think it's that I invested heavily (emotionally speaking) in Martin Jol. I really, really believed for the first time that we had a manager who was taking us into the top 4. We had everything in place, and Arsenal were ripe for the taking. Somehow, therefore, trophy notwithstanding, last season was the most disappointing I can remember. In my head I knew that it was great to win a trophy, that Ramos has a terrific record, but in my heart, I couldn't help it, I was gutted.

And now the top 4 looks more impregnable than ever, and I just can't see us anywhere near. I just see misery and disappointment. I don't know why - we touched amazing highs last season, the 5-1 over Arsenal was pure bliss - but I think I've reached the point where I believe whoever the manager, whoever the players, there is a glass ceiling for Spurs that we won't break through.

My glass = half empty.
 
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#58
You have got to be banned for calling Ginola 'dross'.
Excuses for leaving Ginola out but for all his talents and wonder goals he scored you could not put him and Klinsmann in the same category but your are right he wasnt dross, he was a great for us but not a true great. My dad reliably informs that Cliff was twice the player. This is howver is besides the point I was making that the standard of our team has vastly improved
 

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Excuses for leaving Ginola out but for all his talents and wonder goals he scored you could not put him and Klinsmann in the same category but your are right he wasnt dross, he was a great for us but not a true great. My dad reliably informs that Cliff was twice the player. This is howver is besides the point I was making that the standard of our team has vastly improved
Got to disagree with you over Ginola being a true great, to me he was the only beacom of light in a very medicore era in our history. He helped to keep the flame alight. It would be very interesting to know how many players who have won double footballer of the year award, playing for a team who were a mid table side as he did in the 1999 seaon.
 

davidmatzdorf

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I don't know the exact nuances of 'disinterested/uninterested', but I basically take the DM line that these are best seen as 2 different words -

I'm not interested in football (it bores me) = 'uninterested'

A referee is however (or should be) 'disinterested' - ie having no bias to one side or other - but presumably will (indeed should) be interested in football

when looking for the opposite of 'I have a vested interest in' we should be looking for terms like 'I'm disinterested' not 'uninterested'
For someone who doesn't "know the exact nuances", you've come up with much better examples than I did.

The main point is that there are two words with different meanings and we don't want to confuse them if we can avoid it. That's a real litmus test for me when deciding whether to revive "pedant corner". If it's just a question of whether something is traditionally "correct", it might be wise to keep my gob shut. But if there's a possible loss of a useful meaning, a distinction, a precision of expression, by confusing two usages, then it might be wise to pipe up.
 
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