Cardiff Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[jambreck]

So in other words, well done Clattenburg for making errors that benefit us?

I thought the disallowed goal was correct, but my first thought when Lloris made the earlier clearance was that it was outside the box, and subsequent replays only seem to confirm this. If I were a Cardiff fan I'd be furious with the officials for making such a big error of judgement.


I don't think a balanced view can praise Clattenburg for his performance yesterday. It's just that for once we were the ones benefitting.

Have you seen the footage in the OP of the "Not a Handball By Lloris" thread?

It appears to contradict your point of view. It shows that Lloris' hand only makes contact with the ball on the line.

Even if some small iota of doubt remains, the footage proves that, if Lloris did handle the ball outside the area, it was by such an infinitesimally small margin that there is no way that any official could have / should have sent a player off for it. They couldn't possibly have known for sure.

So Clattenburg and his linesmen made the correct call regardless.

 

[jambreck]

You're kidding right? We strangled the game, but were so open at the back, anyone better than Craig Bellamy or Frazier Campbell would be punishing us heavily for those ridiculous mistakes we made. 29 shots and only 1 goal? Very happy to win but my god this needs to be more emphatic, and I think we were lucky tbh.

Cue backlash on unpopular opinion...

We were no more lucky to win than we would have been unlucky to lose.

We scored. They didn't. We won. That's football. Not luck. If they had scored and we hadn't, the same logic would apply.

And, as the team gels, I'm quite certain that the wins will become more emphatic.

In the meanwhile, dominating games and showing great patience, fitness and desire to win in the dying seconds will do very nicely, thank you!

 

[jambreck]

It looked like handball straight away to me, though I agree that it wasn't cut and dry. I just don't think I would have given Lloris the benefit of the doubt (though admittedly I don't know what view Clattenburg had).

He got a massive, game-changing decision wrong ultimately. For that reason I struggle to see how he had a good game. It's like. Congratulating the captain of the Titanic for a smooth and pleasant journey, y'know...apart from the whole iceberg/sinking incident.

There's no way that you can know for sure that he got the decision wrong.

If anything, the best and clearest footage we've seen thus far suggests that he got the call bang on.

If he had sent Lloris off, then that could have been a massive, game changing decision that he got wrong.

The game is meant to be played by two teams of eleven. Referees should only send players off if they are absolutely certain that they are making the right call. And there's no way that Clattenburg could have been certain.

 

[RuskyM]

Goal from another angle, not seen this one posted yet:

Can I just say how it's a tad worrying that Paulinho has more of an understanding for where the striker should be than Soldado?

Seems like Soldado was just trying way too hard at that point, maybe he just made a slight slip. Hope he starts scoring soon, I'm still certain he's the player for us.

 

[jambreck]

I hope i do, i really do. Thought the same under Hoddle, Pleat, Jol, and Redknapp. I will wait until May if that's o.k. with you but thank's for your foresight.

Second guessing what teams will and won't have to play for is all well and good, and i admire your enthusiasm for doing so. I would expect an investment of 100 million to show some improvement in the pitch, wouldn't you? That sort of investment just wasn't their for Redknapp (or any other Spurs manager) but hey, you knew that anyway didn't you?

£100 million spent on new players but a net "profit" on player trading over the summer.

And, much as I'm thankful for some great times under Harry, I'm equally thankful that it wasn't him spending the money we received for Bale.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Can I just say how it's a tad worrying that Paulinho has more of an understanding for where the striker should be than Soldado?

Seems like Soldado was just trying way too hard at that point, maybe he just made a slight slip. Hope he starts scoring soon, I'm still certain he's the player for us.

Not at all, you can see for yourself in that gif that he's in the striker postion by the D, and he makes a great run into the channel in order to whack it across. As it happens Lamela was there first instead and Paulinho does what any good midfielder does which is arrive late and finish.

Superb football all round IMO.

 

[Gassin's finest]

We were no more lucky to win than we would have been unlucky to lose.

We scored. They didn't. We won. That's football. Not luck. If they had scored and we hadn't, the same logic would apply.

And, as the team gels, I'm quite certain that the wins will become more emphatic.

In the meanwhile, dominating games and showing great patience, fitness and desire to win in the dying seconds will do very nicely, thank you!

Rather over simplifying it I think. Somewhat akin to the ever popular "it all balances out over a season".

 

[Misfit]

He brings the defender with him. Good team play all round. He could have just stood in the centre static I guess and given Lamela no option or Paul no room to run into. I prefer the option that helped get us all 3 pts though.

 

[Bulletspur]

There is nothing wrong with saying Naughton wasn't good enough to play at LB today. He wasn't.
Thats not a personal attack on the lad, its a simple fact.

His forward play was ok, but defensive errors and passing were too wayward and it shows how lacking in depth we are in that position.

Heck there is still a question mark over Rose and with him injured we look delicate on the left flank.

I would say if January were coming up right now, i would be looking at a LB for sure, just depends on Rose whether we are looking for a 1st choice one or a proper back-up/ challenger.

Naughton is a kid who will always be a squad player at spurs, Who helps out when you're short of players. Thats ok, im glad we had him today as we dont have any other player other than Vertonghen who can play there.

But lets not attack a fellow supporter when they claim a player didn't cut the mustard when its simply a true statement and not some personal vendetta.

There is a big difference of claiming it as the way you did, or telling a player consistently to FUCK OFF. Its supporters like this ( I am trying not to use the word morons) who boo and swear at our players from the stands. Still consider him a fellow supporter?

 

[Bulletspur]

For the goal, watch the movement of Soldado - think he brings one of the defenders with him, there number 4 - which leaves more space centrally.

Ironically it was caulker!

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Why do people keep wheeling this out as a stick to beat AVB with? It's not like Levy found a spare £100 million lying around and gave it to AVB to do with what he wanted. We lost a world class player for a hefty sum and a number of other first team and squad filling players. We've reinvested that money in the team to replace the players we lost - reinvested it cleverly as well I would say.

But to pretend that AVB just got given £100million to buy a team is daft.

I think we've got one of our best ever squads at the moment, I'm still not sure our first 11 is quite as good as the one HR was lucky enough to have when the King, Modric, VDV spine was playing but the squads definitely better. Hopefully that means a good finish for us but I won't be sitting waiting to get on AVBs back even if it doesn't pan out that way.

Personally I think he's one of the best managers we've had in my time supporting Spurs and even better than that he's young enough and willing enough to learn new things and get even better.

Personally I hope he's around for a long time.

But he was given the money for Christ's sake! You go on to say that it's the best squad we have ever had?

AVB like any other manager should be judged on results. Nobody's beating him with a stick over the amount of money spent, but he is accountable for the results he produces. Nothing new in that.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Shexy football.

 

[jambreck]

Rather over simplifying it I think. Somewhat akin to the ever popular "it all balances out over a season".

Not oversimplifying anything, actually.

I simply query your definition of what constitutes luck in football.

Could we have lost or drawn?

Certainly.

But was it lucky that we won?

Not at all.

Nor would it have been unlucky if we had lost or drawn.

 

[spurs9]

Shexy football.

That is a great view of the finish. If Paulinho had done anything other than what he did, I think either the defender blocks it or it hits the keeper.

 

[sebcole]

well done sebcole for not seeing the sarcasm and rating my post disagree. bravo brains lol

Actually, I double sarced you, so who's the one chuckling now! And incase you don't understand that; 'sarced' is short slang for sarcasm, - yes a sarcastic rating to your obliquely sarcastic post. You know, similar to the rating 'informative' given in sarcastic jest to a person ranting about jizzing in their pants all day because they have a man crush on someone who they would like to fill them with their load and have their babies in reincarnations to come for them.

 

[sebcole]

@OptaJoe: 6% - Second-place Tottenham have the lowest conversion rate of shots into goals in the Premier League this season. Squeak.

Hmm, room for improvement there, but inconsequential so long as we win.

 

[Yid]

Lewis is hangin low, loose, and full o juice.

 

[thinktank]

That is a great view of the finish. If Paulinho had done anything other than what he did, I think either the defender blocks it or it hits the keeper.

Even better than the finish was that nutmeg pass by lamela.

Unreal accuracy.

 

[spurs9]

Even better than the finish was that nutmeg pass by lamela.

Unreal accuracy.

Also, the importance of Soldado's run. had he not timed it when he did and run to where he was, Caulker could have been in a perfect position to block the ball from getting to Paulinho, instead he was too close to react. Great well worked team goal. I expect we will get more and more of these well worked goals as the team gel's.

Soldado, Eriksen, Holtby, Lamela & Paulinho are going to add so much more intelligence to our play/team.

 

[Bulletspur]

Even better than the finish was that nutmeg pass by lamela.

Unreal accuracy.

A header to cushion and a 1st time pass to a German, a weighted return pass back to an Argentine, a first first time pass with outside of foot nutmegging one player to a Brazilian, whose back heel takes out a defender and goal keeper = THE PERFECT GOAL!