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Champions League Qualifying – Who could we be playing?

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I’ve been wondering for a while where our Champions League qualifying match might take us and been confused by comments from others saying “we can’t play X they are seeded”.

After an hour of trying to comprehend the situation, my understanding is that we could almost definitely :)-|) be playing Sampdoria or Auxerre and, if other qualifying games go according to schedule (bookies odds), the other three ‘probables’ are Fernabache, Dynamo Kyiv and Braga (Portugal).

Who we will play is determined by UEFA seeding coefficients (see www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2010.html) and the results of five qualifying games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_UEFA_Champions_League).

Five teams, including Spurs (seeding coefficient 56.4; plus Sevilla 108.9, Werder Bremen 94.8, Sampdoria 30.9 and Auxerre 19.8), are automatically into the final qualifying round and awaiting the outcome of five matches between ten other teams that qualified as non-champions through previous rounds, these games take place on 27/28 July and 4 August.

The five games and the seeding coefficients and bookies favourites (asterisk) are:-
Ajax 55.3* vs PAOK 11.5
Dynamo Kyiv 42.9 * vs Gent 6.6
Young Boys 7.7 vs Fernabache 54.9*
Braga 39.7* vs Celtic 38.2
Unirea Urziceni 18.9 vs Zenit St Petersburg 61.3*

The draw for our qualifying round takes place on August 6. Before the draw Spurs and the four other automatic qualifiers; plus the five winners of the above matches will be ranked/sorted according to their seeding coefficient (that’s why the seeding numbers are provided above). At that point the top five are seeded and cannot play each other. Spurs, Sevilla and Werder Bremen have such high seeding coefficients that they are assured of being seeded.

My guess is that the five seeded teams will be Spurs, Sevilla, Werder Bremen, Zenit St Petersburg and Ajax. The five teams I predict they will be drawn against are Fernabache, Dynamo Kyiv, Braga, Sampdoria and Auxerre. According to bookies odds the best of these to be drawn against (to win and go through to the group stage) are Braga and Auxerre. The team to avoid will be Sampdoria.

So pack your bags and get ready for a European tour to Italy or France or Ukraine or Turkey or Portugal :grin:

I will probably be wrong, so the seeding numbers above should help anyone to update the possibilities after the five qualifying games have taken place.
 

guate

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Thanks pdf for all your leg work. We now have enough ability and technical nous to do a great job against any of the other teams mentioned.
Let the games commence.

QUE VIVA LOS SPURS
 

Lilbaz

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Wouldn't Inter winning the CL shove Sampdorias points up?

This whole seeding thing gets me really confused :-|
 

ExpatFan

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I’ve been wondering for a while where our Champions League qualifying match might take us and been confused by comments from others saying “we can’t play X they are seeded”.

After an hour of trying to comprehend the situation, my understanding is that we could almost definitely :)-|) be playing Sampdoria or Auxerre and, if other qualifying games go according to schedule (bookies odds), the other three ‘probables’ are Fernabache, Dynamo Kyiv and Braga (Portugal).

Who we will play is determined by UEFA seeding coefficients (see www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2010.html) and the results of five qualifying games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_UEFA_Champions_League).

Five teams, including Spurs (seeding coefficient 56.4; plus Sevilla 108.9, Werder Bremen 94.8, Sampdoria 30.9 and Auxerre 19.8), are automatically into the final qualifying round and awaiting the outcome of five matches between ten other teams that qualified as non-champions through previous rounds, these games take place on 27/28 July and 4 August.

The five games and the seeding coefficients and bookies favourites (asterisk) are:-
Ajax 55.3* vs PAOK 11.5
Dynamo Kyiv 42.9 * vs Gent 6.6
Young Boys 7.7 vs Fernabache 54.9*
Braga 39.7* vs Celtic 38.2
Unirea Urziceni 18.9 vs Zenit St Petersburg 61.3*

The draw for our qualifying round takes place on August 6. Before the draw Spurs and the four other automatic qualifiers; plus the five winners of the above matches will be ranked/sorted according to their seeding coefficient (that’s why the seeding numbers are provided above). At that point the top five are seeded and cannot play each other. Spurs, Sevilla and Werder Bremen have such high seeding coefficients that they are assured of being seeded.

My guess is that the five seeded teams will be Spurs, Sevilla, Werder Bremen, Zenit St Petersburg and Ajax. The five teams I predict they will be drawn against are Fernabache, Dynamo Kyiv, Braga, Sampdoria and Auxerre. According to bookies odds the best of these to be drawn against (to win and go through to the group stage) are Braga and Auxerre. The team to avoid will be Sampdoria.

So pack your bags and get ready for a European tour to Italy or France or Ukraine or Turkey or Portugal :grin:

I will probably be wrong, so the seeding numbers above should help anyone to update the possibilities after the five qualifying games have taken place.

Looks like you've come to the same conclusion I did last week:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=62230

Cheers.
 

JimmyG2

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What was all that 'luck of the draw' stuff I was brought up on?
I tell you what I'm gonna do: take your word for it.

Thanks man. If you want something doing properly, get in an expert I always say.
 

StuckinPoland

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think you will find there are 15 3rd qualifying round ties. The winners of thes 15 matches will go into the play offs with the 5 teams you list. Don't know whether all 10 play-off ties are seeded, but whatever there are plenty of other opponents avaialble: check http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/accesslist/listofparticipants/index.html and http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/matches/index.html

there are 15 matches. that's true. but 10 of those matches are what's known as the Champions path. That's 20 teams. These teams were all champions of their own league.

Obviously, due to the fact we finished 4th in the league, we are in the Non-Champions path. So the team we can play has to come from the other 5 matches (10 teams) because none of them won their league.

The idea to have two separate "pathways" was Platini's. The idea being that it would give a better chance of CL group stage qualification to those teams from smaller countries who actually won their domestic league. And not to those "also rans" from bigger leagues.

I like the idea. Spread the wealth.
 

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there are 15 matches. that's true. but 10 of those matches are what's known as the Champions path. That's 20 teams. These teams were all champions of their own league.

Obviously, due to the fact we finished 4th in the league, we are in the Non-Champions path. So the team we can play has to come from the other 5 matches (10 teams) because none of them won their league.

The idea to have two separate "pathways" was Platini's. The idea being that it would give a better chance of CL group stage qualification to those teams from smaller countries who actually won their domestic league. And not to those "also rans" from bigger leagues.

I like the idea. Spread the wealth.
right ... the penny has fanally dropped for me. Roll on Aug 6th and keep fingers crossed
 

DeanoD

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Pardon my ignorance but where does it leave us in terms of European competition if we lose our Champions League Qualifier?
 

Byron

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Pardon my ignorance but where does it leave us in terms of European competition if we lose our Champions League Qualifier?
Europa i believe, not out of it like your worried about!:wink:
 

DeanoD

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Yeah I thought that would be the case, just wasn't sure whether we would have to play a qualifier for Europa or not!
 

cwy21

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If we win we go into Champions League group stage, if we lose we go into Europa League group stage. Either way we're guaranteed 8 games in Europe.
 

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If we win we go into Champions League group stage, if we lose we go into Europa League group stage. Either way we're guaranteed 8 games in Europe.

Let's not even go there :evil:. But for the others that will not qualify and drop into the Europa League. They will have six games in the Europa group stage between 16th September and 16th December.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_UEFA_Europa_League
 

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When Everton got knocked in CL qualfying I remember them also getting knocked out in UEFA Cup qualifying...

Ye of little faith. Everton’s disastrous season was 2005-06 when there were different qualifying rules. If Spurs were to lose they would qualify directly for the Europa League group stages.

From the 2009-10 season the ‘UEFA Cup’ was rebranded as the UEFA Europa League. It included a new qualifying regime and 16 extra teams.

According to Wikipedia folk, who must wade through piles of rubbish to understand the process, the Champions League non-qualifiers enter by two routes, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League

15 losing teams from the Champions League qualification round three (the round before Spurs enter) will enter in the last UEFA Europa League qualification round. The ten losers of the Champions League qualification round four (where Spurs play) will directly enter the UEFA Europa League group stage.

I’d forgotten that in 2005-06 Everton’s qualification nearly didn’t happen because of the wrangling over how Liverpool could be included in the competition. Liverpool won the trophy in May but only finished fifth in the Premier League.

When all was resolved (Liverpool entered alongside the minnows) Everton lost to Villareal in the Champions League and then got thrashed 5-1 by Dinamo Bucaresti in the Europa Cup qualifying away leg (losing 5-2 overall). By the end of September (six weeks into the new season), Everton were bottom of the Premier League and out of the two European competitions. At the end of October they were still bottom and out of the Carling Cup as well. :rofl: :violin:
 

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After Wednesday's (4th Aug) qualifying games Spurs potential opponents are now known. The draw takes place on Friday 6th August.

The five seeded teams will be Spurs, Sevilla, Werder Bremen, Zenit St Petersburg and Ajax.

The five teams they will be drawn against are Dynamo Kyiv, Braga, Sampdoria, Auxerre and Young Boys.

According to bookies odds the best of these to be drawn against (to win and go through to the group stage) are Young Boys, Braga and Auxerre. The team to avoid is Sampdoria.
 

StuckinPoland

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After Wednesday's (4th Aug) qualifying games Spurs potential opponents are now known. The draw takes place on Friday 6th August.

The five seeded teams will be Spurs, Sevilla, Werder Bremen, Zenit St Petersburg and Ajax.

The five teams they will be drawn against are Dynamo Kyiv, Braga, Sampdoria, Auxerre and Young Boys.

According to bookies odds the best of these to be drawn against (to win and go through to the group stage) are Young Boys, Braga and Auxerre. The team to avoid is Sampdoria.

I think it's safe to say Young Boys are who EVERYONE will want. Though I saw their first leg against Fenerbahce and they're no mugs. Braga dealt with Celtic comfortably and have enough Brazilians to make any match uncomfortable. Auxerre and Sampdoria wont have started their league seasons (i may be wrong) and Dynamo Kyiv have been playing league games all summer.

All of these games will be difficult. I told my friends I thought we'd get Sampdoria and I'll stick with that, but the idea of playing Braga (known as the Arse**listas I think) does not sit well at all.

Hopefully they'll all underestimate us... :)
 
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