Champions league revenue
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Arsenal gonna be down over £100m on all other CL qualifiers this season. If they don’t make it this season it really will start to bite. Considering our 17/18 revenue was £380m. 18/19 figures with extra CL money and stadium revenue could be enormous and go past £450m leaving Arsenal way behind us.
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Daniel Levy neither confirms nor denies that he is buzzing.
Timberwolf
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We chose a good year to get to the semis!
This increase in prize money/TV rights has made qualifying for the CL more important than ever. Next 3 games are mahoooosive.
This increase in prize money/TV rights has made qualifying for the CL more important than ever. Next 3 games are mahoooosive.
King of Otters
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Yep. Utd receive more prize money than us despite us getting further in the competition.
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Will we move up much in the coefficient rankings next year?
Westmorlandspur
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Apparently it was the Milan teams who really pushed for this ,currently they are nothing in Europe having done nothing for years.
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It’s a bit odd because the official rankings are done over 5 years but for the CL money it seems to be done over 10 years. In the 5 year list should we make final we will move to about 12th above United and possibly Chelsea.
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The standings are up to date as of us being in this years semis. We are 25th just 10 points behind Schalke in 20th. Others between us are the likes of Valencia and Basel . If we get out of the group next year will poss be in top 20.
Man U will start to drop over next couple of years as they will lose lots of points from when they got to 2 finals 09 and 11. Every space is worth about 1 mill so we might as well have it if we can.
Top ten is miles away at the moment.
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Love reading those Swiss Ramble tweets.
If we get a decent stadium sponsor with this increased revenue, I can see us breaking the £500m revenue mark in the next 2 years.
Can really put us on a fantastic future path for the club and free up some spending money for players.
If we get a decent stadium sponsor with this increased revenue, I can see us breaking the £500m revenue mark in the next 2 years.
Can really put us on a fantastic future path for the club and free up some spending money for players.
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Might not need all 3 with Arsenal away to Leicester and United playing Chelsea this weekend.
It may not be mathematically impossible to drop out of the top 4, but hugely unlikely if we win and all 3 drop points. The latter is possible if Arsenal lose and the other 2 draw.
I didn't realise money was linked to that. It does sound like the vicious cycle that has plagued top level football for decades.
If United fail to qualify for the Champions league yet again then surely we must move ahead of them.
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And wages to actually get them to sign and stay. That's the gulf at the moment.
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I wouldn't claim to know how the coefficient system works, but I wouldn't imagine UEFA's Big Clubs would be so complacent as to allow something like to happen in the space of one season.
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Miles off Utd. They used to be quite good in champs lge. There are not a lot of points up for grabs each season so it takes a bit of time to move up. Before this season it was a five year co efficient, not it’s ten. We were 19th on the five year now we are 25th. You also get these points in europa although not at the same rate as champ lge. If we keep plugging away for next five years we will prob be top 10-15.
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Utd also earned more money from the tv pool for finishing above us last year. £20.9m City, £17.5m Utd, £15.7m Spurs, £12.4m Pool. Liverpool are going to get a big pay rise next season for finishing top 2 and getting to at least semi final will up the coefficient.
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It helped for Utd that they took the Europa seriously and won it, maximising the small coefficient points they could in the year outside CL.
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In classic UEFA fashion, there are now two coefficients for double the "fun" and confusion.
The old coefficient system is one of the two. It's based on your performances in Europe for the five season preceding the current one - so for this season's competition, it's based on European performances from the group stage onwards between 13/14 and 17/18. This has no impact on the financial distribution - it's used to decide the seeded teams for qualifying rounds (irrelevent to us as English clubs no longer take part in them), and the pots for the group stage (which is fairly important). You get two points for a win, and one for a draw, as well as bonus points for progress. (4 points for being in the CL group stage, 5 points for reaching the last 16, and then 1 extra point for reaching each of the QF, SF and Final. For Europa sides, you also get the 1 bonus point for reaching eash of the QF/SF/Final, as well as a minimum of 3 points for the group stage - this isn't added to your total, it's just a minimum you'd still get if you reached the group stage but did worse than 1 win and 1 draw and didn't reach 3 points for wins/draws). Additionally, every club will instead use 20% of their league's coefficient if their own score is less than that - so if e.g. Wolves suddenly qualified for the CL having not played in Europe for several years, their coefficient would be 20% of the English League's score rather than 0, which would still see them ranked better than clubs like Lokomotiv Moscow or Standard Liege.
The new one isn't used for anything in terms of the tournament itself, just as part of the financial distribution. Points are accumulated the exact same way as in the old system, but over ten years rather than five - so for this season, performances all the way back to 08/09 are relevent. There's also no minimum score - if you haven't played in Europe for ten years, you score zero. And importantly, there's also an additional type of bonus points - Title Points. You get 12 points for every Champions League you've won in the five preceding seasons, 8 points for each you've won before then but after the Champions League replaced the European Cup in 1992, and 4 points for every pre-1992 European Cup. You also get a quarter of that amount of points (so 3, 2 or 1 depending on how long ago it was) for every Europea League, UEFA Cup or Cup Winners' Cup you've won. The clubs qualified for the Champions League are then ranked from 1st to 32nd based on this ranking, and the amount of money allocated based on coefficient is divided into 528 equal shares. The 32nd ranked club then gets 1 share, the 31st gets 2 shares etc up till the 1st ranked club gets 32 shares. This season each of those shares was worth €1.1m - so bottom-ranked club AEK Athens got that, us in 19th got €15.5M, United in 5th got €31m and Real Madrid at the top got €35.5m.
This new system isn't great for us sadly. First of all, going over ten years means we've got lots of fairly crap Europa League seasons in there because we never took it too seriously. Winning most of your group games and getting to the QF can be as good as getting to the CL knockouts, but we tended to play rotated sides, stumble through the group stage, and lose one of the early knockout ties. We're probably one of the ten best teams in Europe right now, but to rank 10th over ten years we'd need an average of 18.5 points per year, and before last season we'd done worse than that in every year bar one. The second reason, and part of why we need a pretty strong average, is because our title points are rubbish - we only get 3 for our 3 'minor' European trophies pre-1992. Liverpool, for instance, get 28, bumping them up 8 places in the rankings or in other words giving them around an extra €8.8m per year they qualify regardless of how well they actually do. Right now that isn't a deal breaker, but we can probably expect the amount of money allocated this way to increase over time, so there'll be even more benefit to us keeping up our consistent recent performances in Europe.
The old coefficient system is one of the two. It's based on your performances in Europe for the five season preceding the current one - so for this season's competition, it's based on European performances from the group stage onwards between 13/14 and 17/18. This has no impact on the financial distribution - it's used to decide the seeded teams for qualifying rounds (irrelevent to us as English clubs no longer take part in them), and the pots for the group stage (which is fairly important). You get two points for a win, and one for a draw, as well as bonus points for progress. (4 points for being in the CL group stage, 5 points for reaching the last 16, and then 1 extra point for reaching each of the QF, SF and Final. For Europa sides, you also get the 1 bonus point for reaching eash of the QF/SF/Final, as well as a minimum of 3 points for the group stage - this isn't added to your total, it's just a minimum you'd still get if you reached the group stage but did worse than 1 win and 1 draw and didn't reach 3 points for wins/draws). Additionally, every club will instead use 20% of their league's coefficient if their own score is less than that - so if e.g. Wolves suddenly qualified for the CL having not played in Europe for several years, their coefficient would be 20% of the English League's score rather than 0, which would still see them ranked better than clubs like Lokomotiv Moscow or Standard Liege.
The new one isn't used for anything in terms of the tournament itself, just as part of the financial distribution. Points are accumulated the exact same way as in the old system, but over ten years rather than five - so for this season, performances all the way back to 08/09 are relevent. There's also no minimum score - if you haven't played in Europe for ten years, you score zero. And importantly, there's also an additional type of bonus points - Title Points. You get 12 points for every Champions League you've won in the five preceding seasons, 8 points for each you've won before then but after the Champions League replaced the European Cup in 1992, and 4 points for every pre-1992 European Cup. You also get a quarter of that amount of points (so 3, 2 or 1 depending on how long ago it was) for every Europea League, UEFA Cup or Cup Winners' Cup you've won. The clubs qualified for the Champions League are then ranked from 1st to 32nd based on this ranking, and the amount of money allocated based on coefficient is divided into 528 equal shares. The 32nd ranked club then gets 1 share, the 31st gets 2 shares etc up till the 1st ranked club gets 32 shares. This season each of those shares was worth €1.1m - so bottom-ranked club AEK Athens got that, us in 19th got €15.5M, United in 5th got €31m and Real Madrid at the top got €35.5m.
This new system isn't great for us sadly. First of all, going over ten years means we've got lots of fairly crap Europa League seasons in there because we never took it too seriously. Winning most of your group games and getting to the QF can be as good as getting to the CL knockouts, but we tended to play rotated sides, stumble through the group stage, and lose one of the early knockout ties. We're probably one of the ten best teams in Europe right now, but to rank 10th over ten years we'd need an average of 18.5 points per year, and before last season we'd done worse than that in every year bar one. The second reason, and part of why we need a pretty strong average, is because our title points are rubbish - we only get 3 for our 3 'minor' European trophies pre-1992. Liverpool, for instance, get 28, bumping them up 8 places in the rankings or in other words giving them around an extra €8.8m per year they qualify regardless of how well they actually do. Right now that isn't a deal breaker, but we can probably expect the amount of money allocated this way to increase over time, so there'll be even more benefit to us keeping up our consistent recent performances in Europe.
