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Chelsea Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

CowInAComa

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The trouble is, everybody else's started in August. And we have no points (depending on what you define as 'here').

In the real world, we have 20 points from 14 games, a less than impressive 1.43 PPG which would equate to 53 points over a season.

I suspect it won't require 80 points for us to take fourth this season; however, merely to equal last season's 69 points means we will need 2.04 PPG. This is something we've achieved precisely twice in our entire history.

But we have achieved it twice.

I would argue that Arsenal, Utd, Everton and Liverpool also failed to start in August. We are within a match of pretty much all our direct top 4 rivals. dont give a shit about PPGs required and historical statistics.
 

DuDe

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If ENIC's game is about profit, then why aren't they making any?

2010: £6.5m loss
2011: 400k profit
2012: £5.7m loss
2013: £1.5m profit

Because of this? ;)

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cornelius knob

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You do know that the club pretty much breaks even every season? There is no profit for ENIC to put in their pockets, and had they been in it for the profit, the Bale money would never have been reinvested in the team. You may choose to ignore the facts all you want, but if the 7 had been a success from the off, our team would've been extremely potent.
Oh. OK then. Thanks for putting me right on that one.

ENIC "To Dare Is To Balance The Books"
 

shelfboy68

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History will come to know it as Before Stoke, and After Stoke.

The season starts here. Im gonna lump some money on a top 4 finish.

Best of luck with that bet but Chelsea, City,Utd,goons will be top Four imo but would like to see the odds on us must be long.
 

shelfboy68

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I am normally the one who comes in and berates our performances, players and manager, as well as ENIC and Levy. I also criticize all the optimists and naive posters.

However, even considering how bad we've been over the last 18 months, the last two performances should give us hope. I don't even remember the last time we played two games in a row with that kind of energy. Yeah, it's only two games but there is an actual identity to the side again. It's not very strong yet, but it is growing. Other times, our performances seemed liked flukes or a player or two having a good day or whatnot. This time round, there is a belief growing. Yes, we capitulated to dumb errors, but this is against Chelsea, unbeaten this term, and at Stamford Bridge. We didn't lose our heads when we could've. Last year Chiriches would probably have been sent off and heads would have dropped and made it easy for Chelsea to score 8.

Even when we tried passing and passing around the box, there was a sense of prying, trying to find an opening and not the AVB pass it back to goalkeeper nonsense. When we had chances go bad with Lennon and Kane, these were the players trying and once they get the hang of it, we will be converting them. This doesn't seem like before when half-chances or chances were by accident.

The ITK may or may not be true, but without several of the players out "injured", the team has improved drastically. If these are the players giving their all in training, then the Pochettino project is well underway and finally he has had backing to drop the assholes that are lazy and think they are bigger than the club.

Yes, we will have to deal with scum like Chelsea at the winner's table, but I am optimistic in my belief that their bought success will come to an end and, really optimistically, their scourge of a club will soon get what they are due. There will come a time when badly managed clubs fall and, if Levy has changed his tune, we could be the predators waiting in the wings.

Back the squad. They are looking like they have the potential we all though they would have 18 months ago.

Fantastic post and i certainly dont want to pour cold water on your optimism but i really cant see Chelsea and their dominance coming to an end anytime soon in fact i think they might get better.
As we know we arent at the races with Clubs like this but what the hell as long as we play some half decent stuff and get Europa league as often as we can that will have to do.
Have to say your post was certainly positive,upbeat and passionate and no one can deny you that and so i applaud you.
 

SpurSince57

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Ask the BSoDL, seeing as we don't make a profit, why is our dear leader the second highest paid chairman in the PL?

If some people weren't too lazy or too stupid (or both) to check out EPL finances for themselves, they'd know that a small profit, or even breaking even, is about as good as it gets. Arsenal, with almost twice our turnover, made just £7m profit, while City made a £52m loss with a £271m turnover. Fenway had to bail out Liverpool after they made a £90m loss over the past couple of years. Even United made a loss, and it's going to be a worse one when the next set of figures comes out.
 

shelfboy68

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Congratulations to you. Might as well not bother watching anymore football this season.

Wasnt digging you out mate i did say good luck to you i was only saying i reckon that would be the top four this season.
I may well be wrong and probably will be and so could you football is hard to predict dont you agree.
 

SpurSince57

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But we have achieved it twice.

I would argue that Arsenal, Utd, Everton and Liverpool also failed to start in August. We are within a match of pretty much all our direct top 4 rivals. dont give a shit about PPGs required and historical statistics.

Yes. In 1951 and 1961.

Well, that's up to you, but every game we fail to win the required PPG is going to edge up and your investment is going to look dodgier and dodgier.
 

only1waddle

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Ask the BSoDL, seeing as we don't make a profit, why is our dear leader the second highest paid chairman in the PL?

Part owning the company means he can pay himself a decent salary, and why not, he took the risk to invest millions and makes mistakes for sure but bringing his salary up is nonsense.
 

Khilari

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I'm going too!

edit: no, I'm not. Ticket sales just ended in the five minutes since I posted that.

Shame - not sure whether it was full or disappointed Spurs fans, disappointed-but-optimistic Chavski fans or Soton/Scum fans.

Wait what, your off to watch a live podcast. Wtf has happened to this world!?

Either way, was really good fun, largely thanks to James Richardson and his excellent and rather rapid wit, taking me right back to the "good old days" of Serie A and Channel 4's Football Italia. Oh man. He even reminded us of the time Elvis Costello was there to read out football scores at a Genoa match, his recollection of George Weah's golazzo vs Roma and some pretty funny comments from his supporting cast (the guardian sports crew).

And he's a really nice guy, posing for selfies with us (er my friend) after.
 

Amo

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Shame - not sure whether it was full or disappointed Spurs fans, disappointed-but-optimistic Chavski fans or Soton/Scum fans.



Either way, was really good fun, largely thanks to James Richardson and his excellent and rather rapid wit, taking me right back to the "good old days" of Serie A and Channel 4's Football Italia. Oh man. He even reminded us of the time Elvis Costello was there to read out football scores at a Genoa match, his recollection of George Weah's golazzo vs Roma and some pretty funny comments from his supporting cast (the guardian sports crew).

And he's a really nice guy, posing for selfies with us (er my friend) after.

I'm going the next time they do one of our matches.

Meetup, anyone?
 

spurs9

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Yes. In 1951 and 1961.

Well, that's up to you, but every game we fail to win the required PPG is going to edge up and your investment is going to look dodgier and dodgier.
and every game we do win the PPG is going to edge down and the investment look better. We only have to do better than our rivals not match a PPG from 1961.

We are 5 points behind 4th place, so we just need to get 6 more points than everyone currently 4th to 9th and at least equal to everyone below us out of a possible 72.
 

SpurSince57

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and every game we do win the PPG is going to edge down and the investment look better. We only have to do better than our rivals not match a PPG from 1961.

We are 5 points behind 4th place, so we just need to get 6 more points than everyone currently 4th to 9th and at least equal to everyone below us out of a possible 72.

That's true, but not only are we looking at beating our 1951 PPG. we are, more relevantly perhaps, looking to beat our averages of the past few seasons: Harry's 1.84 and 1.82, Villas-Boas' 1.89 in 2012-13, Sherwood's 1.91 last season. That's a tall order, especially when our three strikers have managed just five goals between them so far. As I said, it's extremely unlikely that anyone is going to need 80 points to get fourth this season, and it's entirely possible that 65 will do it, but we'll do very well indeed to get even that after our start; as for our rivals, yes, it's helpful that they've been as poor as we have, but in the end it's up to us to take advantage, and we've signally failed to do so this far. We've thrown away at least nine points at home, and but for a couple of hefty dollops of jam could be right out of contention. Suddenly, Soldado scores his third league goal from open play in almost a season-and-a-half and we pull a couple of good performances out of the blue (one of them a heavy defeat) and it's dancing in the street.

Chelsea and City are already out of sight, so that's two top four places gone. Ominously, United appear to be getting their act together; they've taken 13 from their last six. There's been much amusement at Arsenal's expense, but they've taken 12. We've taken nine.

People are free to do what they like with their own money; if they want to boost Paddy Power and co's profits, that's fine by me.
 

cornelius knob

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Part owning the company means he can pay himself a decent salary, and why not, he took the risk to invest millions and makes mistakes for sure but bringing his salary up is nonsense.
Of course it's not nonsense to bring up his salary. Just as it's not nonsense to bring up the fact that despite having the second highest ticket prices in England, we have a lower net spend than every other premier league club. Including Hull Burnley and Leicester.
 

only1waddle

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Of course it's not nonsense to bring up his salary. Just as it's not nonsense to bring up the fact that despite having the second highest ticket prices in England, we have a lower net spend than every other premier league club. Including Hull Burnley and Leicester.

Wow, we operate like a proper business and speculate to accumulate, who would have thought of that, revolutionary...
Levy part owns a multiple million pound business, would you pay yourself peanuts?
No you wouldn't, your argument and logic is flawed, out of your depth mate.
 
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