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Clarence Seedorf slates Tottenham star's abject World Cup display

Lilbaz

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So how much of the blame are you going to give the players? Really going for the top four should be all the motivation they need, especially as players whine about not playing in the CL.

45.2%.
 

fedupyid

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The fact is last season our players seemed to have lost their edge. Many of our players need to get some confidence which was erased over the last year and part of it is the way we lost the big games under both managers. Under Tim we seemed to struggle in key fixtures and the same under AVB. Paulinho and co are carrying last season into a World Cup with no break to recover from the season. So their managers who ignored their form need to find another way to get last season out of the players heads.
 

Sir Henry

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Leave Clarence alone, truth hurts?

Paulinho couldn't lace Seedorfs boots even now

Don't know about truth hurting, I find it strange how he can basically say he is shit, when he was sacked for being shit himself only weeks ago.

I remember Palacios owned Seedorf. Think he's still in his pocket now as we speak.
 

Montasura

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I would give him all next season off, and the season after that, and the rest of his career too to be honest. I think enough excuses have been made

Sadly I think you may be right.

We can talk about settling in and new leagues and countries until the cows come home. But there comes a point when we might have to accept that we got it wrong and we bought a dud or two.
 

Montasura

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Don't know about truth hurting, I find it strange how he can basically say he is shit, when he was sacked for being shit himself only weeks ago.

I remember Palacios owned Seedorf. Think he's still in his pocket now as we speak.

Are you talking about the same Clarence Seedorf who has 5 league winners medals and 4 Champions League winners medals?

I think he has earned the right to discuss another midfielders performance on the pitch. Especially since he was spot on with his appraisal of Paulinho.
 

Jamturk

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Are you talking about the same Clarence Seedorf who has 5 league winners medals and 4 Champions League winners medals?

I think he has earned the right to discuss another midfielders performance on the pitch. Especially since he was spot on with his appraisal of Paulinho.


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Roscilous

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Wish people would stop being so negative towards players. He had a bad season. Not terrible though. A lot of other players had worse. We are supposed to be supporters. Too many people would rather post negative comments. Maybe you should be more supportive and get behind the players and they may surprise you.
 

Sir Henry

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Wish people would stop being so negative towards players. He had a bad season. Not terrible though. A lot of other players had worse. We are supposed to be supporters. Too many people would rather post negative comments. Maybe you should be more supportive and get behind the players and they may surprise you.

You got no chance, these sort of people are negative by default so find it much easier to be that way, its in their nature, a disease almost. You would never have a beer and talk football with them in a pub.
 

Bobbins

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I was a fan of his during the ConFed Cup, looked like we were getting a real international quality CM who could do it all. Don't forget he won 3rd place player of the tournament behind Neymar and Iniesta. And I think he did ok this season for us - not as badly as some people have made out - but the truth is he's been dire for Brazil so far.

He looks tired, needs a rest. He's still our only CM who can score goals though so I would keep him.
 

UbeAstard

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For the upcoming season I'd actually quite like seeing a midfield 3 of Sandro, Capoue and Eriksen. I assume we will play a 4-3-3

----------Lloris----------
Walker-NEW-Verts-NEW
----Sandro--Capoue---
--------Eriksen------
Lamela---ADE---NEW

If we can add an experienced CB, talented young homegrown LB, and a proven big signing at LW/LF who can deliver a good cross and impact the scoreboard.

Cant see enough relevance to the discussion sorry.
 

UbeAstard

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Don't know about truth hurting, I find it strange how he can basically say he is shit, when he was sacked for being shit himself only weeks ago.

I remember Palacios owned Seedorf. Think he's still in his pocket now as we speak.

I dont see that a sacked manager (who previously was an excellent player and still showed this in a recent charity match) who has been now employed as a pundit cant comment on underperforming players.
 

chinaman

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It is interesting that Paulinho, Vertonghen, Dembele, Chadli are playing just as badly as they do for us. Badly is the probably the wrong word - dull,
uninspired, flawed are better. And these are our better players!

For all the abuse AVB and Sherwood have taken, they were both let down badly by the players. Badly is the right word here.

Bentaleb has looked OK which at 19 is quite promising.
No love lost between him and Dembele, I noticed.
I hope he keeps his head and does not make any errors in the next games,
to keep his confidence up.


Scolari is not the typical Brazilian coach. He is duller than Mario Zagallo.
But I cannot understand what has happened in Brazil. For more than half a century, they had been producing the best of the best players, but in the last 10 years they've been turning out the likes of Hulk and Fred much like what the British are producing.
 

ginola007

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It is interesting that Paulinho, Vertonghen, Dembele, Chadli are playing just as badly as they do for us. Badly is the probably the wrong word - dull,
uninspired, flawed are better. And these are our better players!

Bentaleb has looked OK which at 19 is quite promising.
The other player who seemed quite capable at the WC was Assou-Ekotto (against Mexico). Would rather keep him at Spurs than Rose. With so many mid-field players at our disposal, perhaps one or possibly two of Paulinho, Dembele and Chadli could be sold to raise funds for a much needed left back, central defence and a striker.
 

fedupyid

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Scolari is not the typical Brazilian coach. He is duller than Mario Zagallo.
But I cannot understand what has happened in Brazil. For more than half a century, they had been producing the best of the best players, but in the last 10 years they've been turning out the likes of Hulk and Fred much like what the British are producing.
The problem is money in football a lot of the young Brazilians are owned by third parties and they do not want to lose their investments so they concentrate on the simple things and less on flair.
 

strader

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Leave Clarence alone, truth hurts?

Paulinho couldn't lace Seedorfs boots even now
True, also considering Seedorf is a manager, i will add Sesdorf couldn't blow big phils whistle. Big Phil picks him ahead of others, it is easier to sit and analyze a players performance.
 

scottlag10

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Wish people would stop being so negative towards players. He had a bad season. Not terrible though. A lot of other players had worse. We are supposed to be supporters. Too many people would rather post negative comments. Maybe you should be more supportive and get behind the players and they may surprise you.

Sorry but Paulinho deserves the negativity, he was very poor for us but I was hoping to see what he's got for Brazil, however all it has done is confirm that he has no pace, cant tackle, cant pass and cant shoot. I see absolutely nothing about his game that indicates that he was a good buy, a few tap ins just isn't good enough to justify his selection
 

Jamturk

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True, also considering Seedorf is a manager, i will add Sesdorf couldn't blow big phils whistle. Big Phil picks him ahead of others, it is easier to sit and analyze a players performance.

Of which he is being paid to do.
 

millsey

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Dec 8, 2005
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How many second chances can we give our players. Yes we can give paulinho another go, same with Soldado. But if it doesn't work out, and that's over 40 million worth of transfers, we are going to be in serious trouble next year. In an area we are fine in, it maybe time to cash in and put it towards left back, striker
 

UbeAstard

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How many second chances can we give our players. Yes we can give paulinho another go, same with Soldado. But if it doesn't work out, and that's over 40 million worth of transfers, we are going to be in serious trouble next year. In an area we are fine in, it maybe time to cash in and put it towards left back, striker

Given that many players who haven't played on these shores don't perform to their best in their first season, I don't think we should be thinking of cashing in just now.
 
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Main Man

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Paulinho has been far from brilliant, but Brazil have far greater worries than him at the moment.
 
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