Clarke Carlisle Fighting for Life

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#61
Takes some serious balls 1. to jump in front of a truck but then 2. to survive and 3. to come out and talk about it so publically.

I'm assuming that talking about it and giving a full account of what happened and the time leading up to the suicide attempt is part of the therapy.

Very sad how alone depression can make people feel. I think his wife's tweet saying "It’s a serious illness where your world & reality are warped." sums it up for me. Glad he's on the mend - hope he can move on from this. It certainly make you think of the ones who don't.
I'm not sure it walls 'balls' that made him jump in front of a truck. It was pure desperation, a mentally unwell person believing that the only solution was to end his life. It was a chemical imbalance in his brain which caused depression and pushed him into extreme irrational behaviour. It is very sad and I sincerely hope he can come out the other end. As you say, there are plenty who aren't so lucky.
 

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#62
This wont be a popular statement, but I personally believe he should be closely monitored until he's deemed emotionally stable. People need to remember that attempted suicides like jumping in front of a moving vehicle are endangering more than just his life.
 

worcestersauce

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When I read threads like this and others on the subject with comments from posters I realise that there are too many people without a real understanding of what depression and mental illness is and how it effects someone, I just hope he is able to go public about it as that may help others in the long run.
The mantra should be "you are not alone" "you are NOT alone" people will understand and help if you trust them.
Sorry, serious subject for a Thursday afternoon I guess but worthwhile.
 

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#64
He has gone public about it but when the black cloud descends he obviously has real difficulty in finding the help he so desperately needs. I hope he has received some of that help while in hospital and continues to get support now he's out.

He did a TV programme about it a while back.
 
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This wont be a popular statement, but I personally believe he should be closely monitored until he's deemed emotionally stable. People need to remember that attempted suicides like jumping in front of a moving vehicle are endangering more than just his life.
Well I'm guessing he would have been sectioned under 136 MHA.

He wouldn't have been released unless they thought he was fit to be.
 

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#68
What does Little say, all I've read is that he really knows what's gone on but no details?
Not much really. Just that Carlisle has been done for drink driving five times and that he doesn't have much sympathy for someone who would continuously put the lives of others at risk.

Personally I think Carlisle is completely deluded. Bit of a non-entity as a footballer, and a generally appalling pundit, yet he claims in his recent interview that he had people coming up to him in the streets saying "didn't you used to be Clarke Carlisle?" I can't imagine even one person saying that - let alone several people. I'd imagine the vast majority of people neither know nor care about him, yet his comments suggest he's got a bit of an inflated ego. Probably why he handled being let go by ITV so poorly.

I wish him well with his recovery, but hope he doesn't get a commentary job out of sympathy. I also think he owes a massive apology to the lorry driver.
 
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I've dealt with a lot of mental health sufferers in my time. My feeling is that mental health cannot be used as an excuse for certain actions. Yes it may be a contributing factor, but it shouldn't always be relied upon as a defence.
 

worcestersauce

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Not much really. Just that Carlisle has been done for drink driving five times and that he doesn't have much sympathy for someone who would continuously put the lives of others at risk.

Personally I think Carlisle is completely deluded. Bit of a non-entity as a footballer, and a generally appalling pundit, yet he claims in his recent interview that he had people coming up to him in the streets saying "didn't you used to be Clarke Carlisle?" I can't imagine even one person saying that - let alone several people. I'd imagine the vast majority of people neither know nor care about him, yet his comments suggest he's got a bit of an inflated ego. Probably why he handled being let go by ITV so poorly.

I wish him well with his recovery, but hope he doesn't get a commentary job out of sympathy. I also think he owes a massive apology to the lorry driver.
Ah well that's fair enough then, after all Ralf Little's opinion is obviously of the utmost importance here, I must remember to consult him every time I need nonothing input.
As for an apology, ok I expect he may well apologise to the Lorry driver once he has regained control of his mental health but I'm not sure anyone in such a state that they throw themselves under a lorry to end their life can be accused of not thinking it through like a rational healthy person would, That's because they ain't rational and they ain't healthy, they are mentally unbalanced, that's the point!
 

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Ah well that's fair enough then, after all Ralf Little's opinion is obviously of the utmost importance here, I must remember to consult him every time I need nonothing input.
As for an apology, ok I expect he may well apologise to the Lorry driver once he has regained control of his mental health but I'm not sure anyone in such a state that they throw themselves under a lorry to end their life can be accused of not thinking it through like a rational healthy person would, That's because they ain't rational and they ain't healthy, they are mentally unbalanced, that's the point!
Couldn't give a flying fuck about Ralf Little's opinion (I was replying to a question) so not sure what you're harping on about.
 

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#74
Can't say I disagree with Little. Depression has been the one word, cover all, for any situation, for a while now and it must be frustrating to be around people who appear unwilling to make themselves better for those around them.

I don't enough about Clark so I won't comment further about his case but the few thing about "depression" that wind me up is firstly the amount of people who claim to have had it, and also the fact that the people who have had it treat it like some sort of secret society where you can only have an opinion if you have had it or know someone close etc etc.
 

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While I understand he is entitled to his opinion, Little should never have taken to Twitter to air his grievance with Carlisle. That's something that should have stayed private. He has effectively decided to troll Carlisle on Twitter.
 
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While I understand he is entitled to his opinion, Little should never have taken to Twitter to air his grievance with Carlisle. That's something that should have stayed private. He has effectively decided to troll Carlisle on Twitter.
People should never take to twitter......full stop. Its certainly not the forum for issues like this, or for West Ham Chairmen.
 

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I've dealt with a lot of mental health sufferers in my time. My feeling is that mental health cannot be used as an excuse for certain actions. Yes it may be a contributing factor, but it shouldn't always be relied upon as a defence.
I'm comfortable that those who commit suicide are not necessarily selifish in that they're so down on themselves they rationalise those left behind being sad as being better off anyway - I understand and appreciate that.

What I'm not comfortable with is this guy having a death wish, clearly not acting on impulse, but rationalising ways to do it so that it's "definitive" and ending up thinking throwing himself under a lorry, putting another guy at risk is the best option.

I have plenty of sympathy for his plight and mental state, but no sympathy for that particular act, because he clearly thought about it.
 

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He was commentating on a game at the weekend, can't remember which one but the cameras panned on him and said something like "good to see him back at work".
 
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