Come on Daniel admit it now DOF means DOFW does not work

[SpurSince57]

Perhaps you'd better read the reserves reports. They're from people who have seen far more of him than you.

 

[DJS]

Ok ok, I admit it. Director of Football (or Sporting Director) does not work!

Happy?

(well my name is Daniel and you did ask...)

 

[Legend10]

Ok ok, I admit it. Director of Football (or Sporting Director) does not work!

Happy?

(well my name is Daniel and you did ask...)

I think it can work

And as football evolves into an evenmore global game I think that it is the way to go.

To expect a manager and his scouting contacts to be able to scour the world for the best available talent is unrealistic.

This in itself is more than a full time job as should be the coaching and managing of the first team.

The DOF or Sporting Director role is a totally specialist field and probably involves a network of scores of people searching for the best young talent plus first team talent that suits our needs. How can a manager effectively oversee this operation as well as spend the required time with his charges.

I think that over the next few laps we will see more and more Premiership teams moving in this direction.

It is the relationship between this individual and the 1st team manager/coach that is the key to it's success, not the position itself.

 

[Kendall]

Players like Rose, Maghoma, Pekhart is probably not ready yet? What I mean, is that players like Rose and Maghoma have some of the attributes the first team is looking for, and therefore should be followed closely and maybe get into connection. Taarabt has been in connection with the first team, and I miss him in the team. I hope that Taarabt will be at least a substitute, as he is a player who can come on and change a game to our advantage. He is a special talent with a lot of skills.

We have plenty of plays who are young, special players with lots of skills and talent playing already though! but when you have a midfield of ages 18 (Bale), 20 (Lennon), 20 (Hudd), 20 (Boateng), 24 (Jenas) playing often, then you can often lack character.

We need to be getting the best from the more experienced players in Zokora, Malbranque & Tainio to provide the balance needed, or find a more experienced string puller. At the moment we don't have the balance. How much have you seen of Rose? he is far from the finished article, infact most of my Leeds-supporting friends say he's nowhere near what Lennon was when he came. Taarabt would be a liability in our team at the moment & I haven't seen enough of Maghoma to comment, but these kids are certainly not what we're lacking. Infact lack of experience is what we're suffering from.

 

[Real_madyidd]

What is the problem with having a director of football?

Lets get rid of the marketing director, or the finance director. No?

Do you people even understand what a director is?? A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and many of you seem to have very little knowledge.

 

[tommyt]

ooohhhh!!

 

[N10toN17]

The Dof system in this country is currently not favoured and frankly looking at where we sit I can see why. To make a fist thumping defence of this system currently is ludicrous, it has not proven itself in any way whatsover, time will tell of course.

When clubs with a track record of success like manusa and the calibre of managers like Ferguson switch to this system, I might then take it a bit more seriously. It may work on the continent, but last time I checked we're playing in the English premiership, with no club bar us using it? Are we just so outlandishly clever and no other prem club has realised how much better they would be under this system, or are we taking a mighty risk that this system will work overhere.

 

[etcheverry]

its all balls. levy is obv telling cum-ole what kind of players to sign, and he's borderline competent at doing that. cum-ole's body language suggets he can't be trusted, we know levy is not to be trusted, and we all saw cum-ole giving ramos instructions/advice (assistance?) yesterday.. who knows. we are fukkd though.


thanks for 'repackaging' spurs levy.. there is no such thing as bad publicity, that's what they say, isn't it.

 

[joey55]

Players like Rose, Maghoma, Pekhart is probably not ready yet? What I mean, is that players like Rose and Maghoma have some of the attributes the first team is looking for, and therefore should be followed closely and maybe get into connection. Taarabt has been in connection with the first team, and I miss him in the team. I hope that Taarabt will be at least a substitute, as he is a player who can come on and change a game to our advantage. He is a special talent with a lot of skills.

I don't think Comolli has had a huge impact on our UK scouting network. I think people at times over simplify the scouting of players and ignore that a stucture or network of scouts is put in place, rather than the Sporting Director going all over Europe watching game after game. In effect a Sporting Director is only as good as his scouting networks. I don't mean to say that Comolli isn't involved in UK based youth recruitment and that he isn't ultimately responsible for who comes in, but that it is unlikley he's really changed much in terms of who does the scouting, where and when we scout etc. I should think this was one of the areas the club would have been very satisfied with over the last 5 years and it showed with Arnesen bringing in players that had been linked with under Pleat and so on.

Key to our structure in continuity and that will be the same in all areas of the club. When a new man comes in, we wouldn't dismiss the good work of his predecessor's, so whilst Comolli will ultimately be involved with the final decison as to which players come in, I'm not so sure, in these case's, he has been responsible for the network that finds the players. Arguably the most successful element of our better fortunes in recent years has been the recruitment of young British talent and I don't see Comolli as having to or to have made changes in this area.

When Arsene Wenger asked if he was concerned about Comollis appointement he said yes because he "knows our scouting network." Comolli himself spoke of the good networks we already have in place and that he is more of an expert in the European market. This is why i'm more interested to see how our young players recruited from Europe work out and judge Comolli more on them. I'd say the first signs are positive. But as for the UK acquisitions, I'd say we could still and possibly would have signed them, had Comolli never been at the club. Or at least we'd have continued to bring in quality British youngsters, if not those exact players. But I don't believe we'd see the likes Taarabt, Dervitte, Berniche etc. Though Perkhart trained with us under Arnesen so he doesn't count.

"There is already a good scouting network at Spurs and I am looking forward to working with them.

'One of the reasons I was recruited was that I have a good network around Europe and the world, and I am going to use that as well." - Comolli

 

[DogsOfWar]

My first point is that every successful business in this country will have directors reporting to the board on all matters with managers below them, why should football be any different?

My second point is that we have acheived our recent success because of our DOF's not in spite of them. The team of two seasons ago was built up, primarily, by Pleat and Arnesen.

Commolli may, or may not, be the right man for the job but that is no reason to get rid of a role that very few of us really understand.
As Jol said the DOF (or sporting director) will always want his own man. Had Jol got results this would have been irrelevant but he didn't and so was always going to be the first out of the door.
If Ramos doesn't then the attention will fall onto Commolli and he'll get a taste of what Jol has gone through the last couple of months.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

Q8, in this instance, a picture is worth a thousand words.

:duh:

whatever you said, i will respect it .. but remember these things:

- When we talked about Robison, some people defended for him.

- When we said MJ should leave, some people said he was the best in years and made 2 top 5 finish !

- when we defended him, some people said 'no' he should leave because he made a lot of poor selections and subs etc ..

- when i said it was bad luck for poor results, some people disagreed !

- Now, I'm blaming Comolli as the same as many people, but he is defended by other fans

I don't know why these things happen, looks like some fan happy with our just 8 pts in 12 games ( they forget we could have 9 pts from our first three game - or at least 15 pts until now despite that isn't CL form as we wanted ) .. so, who is to blame ?

if we are in better position now, do you think i will say these things about DC ?

finaly, don't think i hate Comolli or any player here, but as Spurs fan, you should know that i have feelings about our current situation and I'm unhappy with our current position.

 

[TopSpurMan]

My problem with the structure is that there does not appear to be clear lines of accountability adn though we can all guess at the roles that each person, levy, manager (now Ramos) and DC play in the relationship we cannot actually be sure.

The traditional EPL structure is that the chairman provides the money, the manager spends it. One is responsible for the provision of funds and the other for performance of the team.

How do we know who is responsible for what at Spurs? When Arnseson was brought in I believed the club actually wanted Jol as manager but BMJ was simply not a big enough name. Why Arneson and BMJ knew each other worked well together and respected each other.

When DC came in the relationship was very differant, DC is a man whose track record shows that he was a Scout for the Arse in france who the scout that brought in Clichy. That is about the size of it, how he is now our managers boss only he and DL know. Clearly it cannot be based on his World side scouting experience as he does not have any that has been publicised anywhere.

It was clear to anyone that watched Spurs last season that our defence needed shoring up, so we let Davenport go (admittedly not a huge loss - yet experienced in the EPL) and brought in absolutely no experience at all. It must have been known that ledley coming back was dodgy to say the least, we need experience in mid field and in defence yet no one was bought, why?

I can appreciate buying Bent if you thought you were going to lose Berba but if you shored up the defence and strengthed mid field our success on the pitch would have encouraged better players to join us if berba were to leave anyway. Leaving the weaknesses encourages leavers in all areas and surely does not attract talent, who wants to join a struggling club?

Therin lies the problem 'we' the club, that is, blamed the manager for lack of success on the pitch, whose decision was it to NOT buy some experience at the back and in mid field surely that is who should have gone.

By the way I am a fan of continuity but MJ should have come out in the summer (if he felt we were not getting the players he wanted) and said so, he should have warned of failure if we did not spend in the right (his) areas.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think that accountability is a problem, but again, remember that we appear to have a further complication in that Comolli isn't just handed a budget for transfer fees and wages and allowed free rein as his counterparts on the continent appear to be. He has to operate within a policy laid down by Levy. For all we know, he and Jol may have been in far closer agreement over the type of player we needed for footballing purposes than many appear to think; we had a hint of that when Jol mentioned that 'we' had thought about players such as Distin and Chivu for the CB position before going for Kaboul.

Within those constraints, Comolli hasn't done too badly. Have we signed any total turkeys? I'm not Zokora's greatest fan, but if I've been seriously underwhelmed I also wouldn't say he's been total rubbish; just think back a few years, to the crap Graham and Hoddle and Francis managed to sign. They may not have had the funding we've enjoyed over the past three or four seasons, but they weren't exactly starved of dosh either, and a goodly proportion of the money was pissed away on has-beens and never-wases, and the odd quality player such as Rebrov who was completely the wrong buy at the time. I think Comolli has done rather better than that, but our problem is we're long on potential but rather short on ready-to-run quality where it really matters.

If there are any positives to be drawn from this horror-show of a season, it's that we now have a much clearer definition of roles; I also suspect that Ramos will have a lot more clout than Jol, and we may see that exercised in January. Levy may have shown, yet again, that whilst he is a whizz at making money he has dreadful timing when it comes to the firing of managers, but I can't believe he's so dim that he hasn't realised that we didn't buy the right players this summer.

 

[joey55]

I think that accountability is a problem, but again, remember that we appear to have a further complication in that Comolli isn't just handed a budget for transfer fees and wages and allowed free rein as his counterparts on the continent appear to be. He has to operate within a policy laid down by Levy. For all we know, he and Jol may have been in far closer agreement over the type of player we needed for footballing purposes than many appear to think; we had a hint of that when Jol mentioned that 'we' had thought about players such as Distin and Chivu for the CB position before going for Kaboul.

Within those constraints, Comolli hasn't done too badly. Have we signed any total turkeys? I'm not Zokora's greatest fan, but if I've been seriously underwhelmed I also wouldn't say he's been total rubbish; just think back a few years, to the crap Graham and Hoddle and Francis managed to sign. They may not have had the funding we've enjoyed over the past three or four seasons, but they weren't exactly starved of dosh either, and a goodly proportion of the money was pissed away on has-beens and never-wases, and the odd quality player such as Rebrov who was completely the wrong buy at the time. I think Comolli has done rather better than that, but our problem is we're long on potential but rather short on ready-to-run quality where it really matters.

If there are any positives to be drawn from this horror-show of a season, it's that we now have a much clearer definition of roles; I also suspect that Ramos will have a lot more clout than Jol, and we may see that exercised in January. Levy may have shown, yet again, that whilst he is a whizz at making money he has dreadful timing when it comes to the firing of managers, but I can't believe he's so dim that he hasn't realised that we didn't buy the right players this summer.

Comparitively do you think that's true? I'm not sure if it is or isn't. Obvioulsy in simple numerical terms it is. But obviously our spending is only relative to that of other clubs. I rememeber when we were in mid table for all thos years and we were always being shown figures for how much we've spent compared to other clubs and we were usually near the top.