Comolli and Ramos..

[dynamoSpurs]

Just watched the Comolli interview on beebs site.

He says that the relationhip that he had with Jol will be the same as he will have with Ramos.

The director of footie sitting above our head coach.

Do we not learn?

 

[nicdic]

:roll:

It is you that never learns.

 

[onemorespursfan]

No he is not talking about structure but that he will smile to his face and bitch about him in the board meetings.

Ramos will have no idea why we are looking to bring in a new coach in March as we are seen in the Holiday Inn in Portsmouth at the same time as Harry.

I truly hope that I am wrong on this one

 

[joey.leone]

i dont like commoli, i never have and i never will.

 

[Thesoccershrink]

No he is not talking about structure but that he will smile to his face and bitch about him in the board meetings.

Ramos will have no idea why we are looking to bring in a new coach in March as we are seen in the Holiday Inn in Portsmouth at the same time as Harry.

I truly hope that I am wrong on this one

Anyone else think it was not just a coincidence that Harry signed a four year deal with Pompey immediately after Ramos was hired?

 

[Spursbabe63]

I watched the conference yesterday, and although I am/was a big Martin Jol fan I have to say I warmed a bit towards Ramos simply because he stated his intentions for our beloved club, and even cracked a smile at times!

Comolli on the other hand, this guy I didn't like much!

 

[dynamoSpurs]

Yeah I don't think Comolli is doing much allay fears that the smae thing that happened with Jol could happen again with Juande.

I was of the belief that the recent failure was partly Damiens fault, therefore the structure is dodgy...

And I thought that Juande was supposed to be this no BS sorta guy who wouldn't listen to no DOF suit telling him what to do.

 

[Stoof]

It's because he's French. You know deep down that at any opportunity he'll surrender his cheese. Like a monkey.

As Martin Samuel said today ...

Asked what Comolli would have to do to warrant dismissal, he seemed momentarily flustered. "That is a good question, I have never thought about it," he said. "I have things to do for the club and if Daniel and the baord were not happy, they would ask me to leave. My job is 60 per cent about the future and 40 per cent about now."

In other words, like all men in his position, there is nothing to go wrong for which Comolli can be held specifically responsible. If Ramos gets beaten tonight, he is instantly on the back foot, but Comolli? Judge me in ten years. Nice work if you can get it.

Emphasis added by moi.

 

[Thesoccershrink]

It's because he's French. You know deep down that at any opportunity he'll surrender his cheese. Like a monkey.

As Martin Samuel said today ...

Asked what Comolli would have to do to warrant dismissal, he seemed momentarily flustered. "That is a good question, I have never thought about it," he said. "I have things to do for the club and if Daniel and the baord were not happy, they would ask me to leave. My job is 60 per cent about the future and 40 per cent about now."

In other words, like all men in his position, there is nothing to go wrong for which Comolli can be held specifically responsible. If Ramos gets beaten tonight, he is instantly on the back foot, but Comolli? Judge me in ten years. Nice work if you can get it.

Emphasis added by moi.

Yes, here's the problem with a DOF situation. If they are primarily the ones responsible for spotting and recommending talent they're in a no-lose situation. For example, if I have that same capacity in a company in which you are the manager and I give you someone who doesn't perform I can come up with many reasons that's your fault not mine. For example, you haven't trained them right, used them right, have the right culture, etc. etc. I'm bullet-proof unless I really select some obviously poor material. Moreoever, since I have a seat on the board and you don't, I've got a huge advantage in defending myself. It seems too lop-sided to me.

 

[tRiKS]

I took it as the relationship or at least the structure and intention of the realtionship would remain the same. The same system has worked and is working in many clubs bigger, smaller and the same as spurs. How the indicivdauls respond and interact in that relatiosnship is a differnet issue. Jol clearly did not but Ramos may. The fact Ramos can arguabley be called "commolis choice" or "Commolis man" gives it a very good chance of working. Just as jol was "Arnesens man" and it worked then. DOF system is not the issue, doing jobs well is.

The point of the DOF having diminished responsibility is true but becasue he can gain many plus pionts i.e individual sucess's, Bale for example, means he can earn the right to secure his job even if the collective isn't perfomning. However even a sustained poor performance, especailly after more than one coach in a row working with the team, would put the DOF in jepardy. It hink he's retty much said that himself.

 

[joey55]

I think the problem with the Director fo Football role is that it is a such a loose term and means different things at different clubs. I think in the traditional European sense it means that the Director of Football is in charge of all apsects of the football side of the club, is given a budget to work with and essentially told to get on with it. Whilst at Spurs I'm not sure it is that simple and I'm not sure that Comolli has the sort of power say Arnesen would have had at PSV. I think when the Director of Football has to run the club in accordance with a business strategy of a plc board, then it is a slightly different role to those working for clubs who are run as charities and have presidential elections etc. Therefore i think it is actually pretty hard to judge Comolli's performance and feel he gets unfair criticism. In simple terms during his first transfer window we were 4th and now we are 18th, so I can understand people kncoking him, but I'm not sure it's as simple as that. At Seville i suspect Monchi dicitates the transfer policy, whilst at Spurs i suspect Comolli is/was told to work within a certain policy.

 

[paulspursman]

in that press conference he appeared to be out of his depth a bit tbh

didnt come across well at all really

if this ramos appointment goes wrong comolli should go before ramos but ramos would walk before that happens

 

[joey55]

in that press conference he appeared to be out of his depth a bit tbh

didnt come across well at all really

if this ramos appointment goes wrong comolli should go before ramos but ramos would walk before that happens

I don't care what they say, i don't believe he's Comolli's appointment and therefore don't necessarily think Comolli should have to leave if he doesn't work out. It's easy for the board, Ramos and Comolli himself to say he's his appointment and it is definitely the right thing to say, but it just doesn't make much sense. He's an ideal Plc appointment, but from Comolli's point of view, then it seems a less than perfect match.

I know what you mean about Comolli not coming across well, but I just think he lacks character in is never going to be good with the media. He doesn't come across as the kind of guy that would be a laugh down the pub.

 

[Hoowl]

Our DoF system is one of those things that the media will take a pop at every so often. It obviously can work and there are many examples across europe plus, to a lesser extent teams like reading have a similar system in place.

It has been said by many that we have the best squad we have had for years so is Comolli worthy of praise for that? It has also been said we haven't signed a left winger for ever and we're missing a gk, cb, dm so should we lay the blame on Comolli?

The difficulty for me is that the exact responsibilities of our DoF have never been clear to me. Is Comolli just a glorified scout or does he have say over the manager? I also agree with Joey about us not knowing Comolli's brief. Judging by our signings over the last few windows it seems we're intent in signing younger players like Bale rather than the Petrovs of this world but is this Comolli's idea or a decree from Levy?

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I don't understand exactly what Comolli's job is but does anyone know if he has his own scouting team or does he go around Europe looking at players? :shrug:

Is DoF just basically Head Scout?

 

[Spursking]

i dont like commoli, i never have and i never will.

If you do not, you have to think about changeing your opinion. He is the main man behind our progress.

 

[SpursBhoy]

If you do not, you have to think about changeing your opinion. He is the main man behind our progress.

Our progress from where to where exactly?

 

[Spurs4Life23]

If you do not, you have to think about changeing your opinion. He is the main man behind our progress.

How is going from 5th to 18th progress :shrug:

 

[eddiebailey]

The big difference is that Ramos is sitting on a big reputation and an enormous contract; this gives him more clout than Jol ever had. Ramos has worked with a real Director of Football at Sevilla and he know how the system can and should work. If the club fail to provide the resources he needs to do the job, he is going to kick up. If come the end of the season we have not turned a corner the club will have another vacancy to fill, and this time we will not be looking for a new manager.

 

[SpursBhoy]

The big difference is that Ramos is sitting on a big reputation and an enormous contract; this gives him more clout than Jol ever had. Ramos has worked with a real Director of Football at Sevilla and he know how the system can and should work. If the club fail to provide the resources he needs to do the job, he is going to kick up. If come the end of the season we have not turned a corner the club will have another vacancy to fill, and this time we will not be looking for a new manager.

And there is the difference IMO, Comolli is no more a real Director of Football than you or me.