Contriversial opinions on some of our team

[lukespurs7]

After todays match, i feel a horrific refereeing decesion, some sloppy defending and bad luck cost us the game.

We must IMO do two things, 1 improve as a team defensively and 2 if we are to go the places we want to, then buy a few new players especially defenders, a few players in our team below i feel are either over or under-rated:

1.Robbo-UNDER-RATED->I actually think Robbo is a decent goalie, he's a decent reflex goalie/shot-stopper and his kicking is phenominal, has been poor on occasions for the past season and a half but mainly due to a lack of confidence and an absoloutely exposed defence, when teams attack us they get golden oppertunities.

2.Chimbonda-OVER RATED!-> I think he is very athletic and his heading ability is out of this world, but positionally he's not great, defensively 1 vs 1 he's not the best, attacking wise he posses a decent threat BUT his crossing is below-par AND i've really noticed time and again he takes too many touches and loses us possession of the ball. I feel Stalteri may actually be better-see, contriversial.

3.Dawson-OVER RATED! -> He's really been exposed lately, i used to think he was a top class CB, yes he can head, but too often he fouls, he's quite slow and lately especially he just makes far too many sloppy errors which a top class CB wouldn't make.

4.Jenas-UNDERRATED -> His work-rate is brilliant, he wins alot of tackles, missplaces few passes, has some decent movement and his positioning is very good. If he has the right CM partner either a very attacking creative player i.e Riquelme who'd let him do a more all-round job, working hard and doing more defensive work and simple passing then he'd flourish OR another all-round box-box player i.e Mendes, Poulsen, who can defend and attack so Jenas can do his box-box role and which ever he's doing(defening or driving forward) the other guy would be comfortable with doing the opposite, again he'd look like a top class player. Zokora is too limited a partner IMO Tainio would be best and has proved it in the past. We lack energy and fight in the CM without JJ and some people just don't notice what he contributes to the team.

5.Malbranque- VASTLY UNDER RATED! -> the amount of tackles that he wins is unbelieveable. He can head a bit for a small guy, a bit one footed but usually creates danger with some lovely through balls and he pops up with a few goals every now and then, he's also a tireless runner.

views?

I feel that aswell as our team balance not being quite right, we could do with a new RB and 2 CB's and Robbo just needs his confidence back as remember when we first signed him, he was 3rd best goalie behind Cech and Van Der Sar, and we were keeping clean sheets for fun when we nearly came 4th with a defence of:Stalteri,King,Dawson/Lee.Y.P

 

[Black]

Every one just hopped on the Robbo's shit bandwagon, when he makes good saves during a game no one remember them like the Liverpool game

Very right about Chimbonda he takes tooooo many touches pisses me off so much

Im still 50/50 about what u said about Jenas and Dawson

Steed has allways been like that allways trying, hes loseing the ball he wants to win it back

 

[claw_diddy]

I think we missed Jenas yesterday. Often is accused of being invisible yet he often tracks back and mops up like Carrick used to do.

Our main liabilities in the team are Dawson, Kaboul and Zokora. None of them are premiership class, let alone Champions League quality. Replacing those 3 would resolve many of our problems. Our back four would get adequate protection, which in turn would protect Robbo etc.

 

[StockSpur]

I thought robbos despairing looks like a man stuck in glue dive for the 2nd goal yesterday was borderline pathetic.

other than that dowd had one of the worst games ive seen froma referee and what was he listening to renie for to sendd off keane?

and, why was renie pissing himself laughing when the scored the 3rD?

 

[guiltyparty]

ContrOversial

Sorry, was bugging me

 

[muffwah]

After todays match, i feel a horrific refereeing decesion, some sloppy defending and bad luck cost us the game.

We must IMO do two things, 1 improve as a team defensively and 2 if we are to go the places we want to, then buy a few new players especially defenders, a few players in our team below i feel are either over or under-rated:

1.Robbo-UNDER-RATED->I actually think Robbo is a decent goalie, he's a decent reflex goalie/shot-stopper and his kicking is phenominal, has been poor on occasions for the past season and a half but mainly due to a lack of confidence and an absoloutely exposed defence, when teams attack us they get golden oppertunities.

2.Chimbonda-OVER RATED!-> I think he is very athletic and his heading ability is out of this world, but positionally he's not great, defensively 1 vs 1 he's not the best, attacking wise he posses a decent threat BUT his crossing is below-par AND i've really noticed time and again he takes too many touches and loses us possession of the ball. I feel Stalteri may actually be better-see, contriversial.

3.Dawson-OVER RATED! -> He's really been exposed lately, i used to think he was a top class CB, yes he can head, but too often he fouls, he's quite slow and lately especially he just makes far too many sloppy errors which a top class CB wouldn't make.

4.Jenas-UNDERRATED -> His work-rate is brilliant, he wins alot of tackles, missplaces few passes, has some decent movement and his positioning is very good. If he has the right CM partner either a very attacking creative player i.e Riquelme who'd let him do a more all-round job, working hard and doing more defensive work and simple passing then he'd flourish OR another all-round box-box player i.e Mendes, Poulsen, who can defend and attack so Jenas can do his box-box role and which ever he's doing(defening or driving forward) the other guy would be comfortable with doing the opposite, again he'd look like a top class player. Zokora is too limited a partner IMO Tainio would be best and has proved it in the past. We lack energy and fight in the CM without JJ and some people just don't notice what he contributes to the team.

5.Malbranque- VASTLY UNDER RATED! -> the amount of tackles that he wins is unbelieveable. He can head a bit for a small guy, a bit one footed but usually creates danger with some lovely through balls and he pops up with a few goals every now and then, he's also a tireless runner.

views?

I feel that aswell as our team balance not being quite right, we could do with a new RB and 2 CB's and Robbo just needs his confidence back as remember when we first signed him, he was 3rd best goalie behind Cech and Van Der Sar, and we were keeping clean sheets for fun when we nearly came 4th with a defence of:Stalteri,King,Dawson/Lee.Y.P

Agree with everything you say, I owe you a blowjob

 

[The Apprentice]

Who was Dawson ever rated by?

 

[markie]

I think we missed Jenas yesterday. Often is accused of being invisible yet he often tracks back and mops up like Carrick used to do.

Our main liabilities in the team are Dawson, Kaboul and Zokora. None of them are premiership class, let alone Champions League quality. Replacing those 3 would resolve many of our problems. Our back four would get adequate protection, which in turn would protect Robbo etc.

Summed it up very well.. Definitely the three players that if replaced would vastly inprove our squad.. The scary thing is that we should be playing hudd and jenas every game in the centre (obviously not when jenas is injured) but all the managers we have continue to persist with the shi* that is Zokora... get him out and put Hudd in starting... We would play such bvetter football and he protects the defence so much better than zokora...

Anyone else wonder if there is some kid of dodgey contract issue with zokora that means he gets to start nearly every game. We needed a central mid when carrick went very badly and commoli brough zoko in and prob gave him a clause in his contract to give him first team football. he is not even good enough to be on our bench.

As for Dawosn and kaboul. They are officially the worst centre back pairing in history and are also the unluckiest... We need to get an experienced centre back in the window who can bring the best out of these two...

 

[Kendall]

apart from the defending we didn't do a lot wrong, I thought our attacking play was excellent & if we'd have got one in the first half before the pen, we could've routed them

Yet again the defence is to blame

 

[truespur]

robbo just cannot save a shot from outside the box, the second goal was ridiculous. he positions himself so far off his line that if someone shoots either side of him, it goes in, giving himself no chance

 

[MrsKeane]

Robbo's had the same problem since leeds!!

I also think Jenas is over rated and Steed is an on/off player, he can play well one week and is totally non-existant the next

 

[the_king]

Jenas has been our best player the last few weeks.

Agree with everything in the first post.

Need cbs back

Rocha & King are the two best we have.

 

[Bobbins]

Alan Hutton seems like an increasingly good option at RB now. Chimbonda is an immensely talented footballer but sweet Jesus he takes more risks game by game it seems.

Daws is a certain 'type' of centre back, in the Terry/Vidic/Pallister mould. It's no coincidence that each of these players was/is partnered by a totally different type of player at the back. For Terry, see Carvalho. For Vidic, see Ferdinand. For Pallister, see Bruce. Every one of these partner-players was one who was comfortable on the ball, relatively quick, and most importantly an expert at reading the game and predicting attacks.

This is why Dawson looked so good in his first couple of seasons - he is the traditional big strong CB who can throw himself in the way of the ball (admittedly doesn't do this very well), win headers, and use his strength aggressively, while the more accomplished footballer (King) reads the game, cleans up and operates in a semi-sweeper role. Dawson, alongside Kaboul, who is much the same type of player, suddenly looks exposed as they are both trying to play the same role and there is no player who can read the game well and clean up mistakes.

So yes, you're over-rating Dawson if you expect him to be something he's not, and never can be. But you're being fucking harsh if you're suddenly deciding that he's crap because he's been left as the most experienced defender in a Premiership side at the age of 23. We need Rocha back, and we need him as soon as possible. Failing that, we need a Naybet-type figure brought in during the January window (which the club almost certainly won't do).

I've got nothing more to say about Robbo or jenas, they've proved themselves enough times for the idiots to stop calling for their heads. Or at least you'd hope so.

Malbranque is a great little player, but you're massively over-rating him because you're not seeing his huge limitations. He has no pace to speak of, meaning all his skill and ability to beat players is a waste of time since he can hardly ever get away from them. He needs to release the ball quicker to make use of the half-seconds of time and space he creates for himself. He also must learn to stop fucking drifting over to the right wing, he leaves the LB constantly exposed and has little to no discipline in his positional play. He can't do much about the first problem, but the second is easily sorted.

 

[coope]

Our main liabilities in the team are Dawson, Kaboul and Zokora. None of them are premiership class, let alone Champions League quality. Replacing those 3 would resolve many of our problems. Our back four would get adequate protection, which in turn would protect Robbo etc.

After watching a lot of spurs this season i think i have to agree with the above although I think Kaboul is a shame as he is not yet ready to be playing every game and Dawson needs to be playing with an experienced CB, he played so well up to this season im really dissapointed as he was all set to break into the england squad a few months ago

We have too many players who won't be able to step up to champions league standard football and to improve we HAVE to look at players who can

 

[martinsjollyboys]

I will probably get shot down for this, but Zokora has improved and yesterday's efforts for most of the match deserve praise rather than the criticism he constantly gets. Put in a strong player along side him and you will see him flourish - he seems to be left too isolated and alone and then cant do two peoples jobs.

 

[Spursbabe63]

robbo just cannot save a shot from outside the box, the second goal was ridiculous. he positions himself so far off his line that if someone shoots either side of him, it goes in, giving himself no chance

I agree with this comment...I said the same thing to my son yesterday...he stands too far forward ..but my son wouldnt have it..lol...so im glad that someone has said this and that i dont stand alone!

 

[martinsjollyboys]

surely if he is standing off his line a shot from distance is harder to score as the angles etc are narrowed. Only a lob is a cert if the keeper is away from his line. If he stands too close to his line, you have more goal to aim at and he has more distance to cover to try and stop the shot

 

[C0YS]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:,

Good artical 100% agree (although I do belive Daws is a good CB with a experianced CB by his side!)

 

[SpurSince57]

robbo just cannot save a shot from outside the box, the second goal was ridiculous. he positions himself so far off his line that if someone shoots either side of him, it goes in, giving himself no chance

That's funny, he managed it twice against the Spammers.

It's called narrowing the angle, and standard practice. Why do you imagine keepers aren't allowed to move off their line against a penalty?

 

[spurs4europe]

Alan Hutton seems like an increasingly good option at RB now. Chimbonda is an immensely talented footballer but sweet Jesus he takes more risks game by game it seems.

Daws is a certain 'type' of centre back, in the Terry/Vidic/Pallister mould. It's no coincidence that each of these players was/is partnered by a totally different type of player at the back. For Terry, see Carvalho. For Vidic, see Ferdinand. For Pallister, see Bruce. Every one of these partner-players was one who was comfortable on the ball, relatively quick, and most importantly an expert at reading the game and predicting attacks.

This is why Dawson looked so good in his first couple of seasons - he is the traditional big strong CB who can throw himself in the way of the ball (admittedly doesn't do this very well), win headers, and use his strength aggressively, while the more accomplished footballer (King) reads the game, cleans up and operates in a semi-sweeper role. Dawson, alongside Kaboul, who is much the same type of player, suddenly looks exposed as they are both trying to play the same role and there is no player who can read the game well and clean up mistakes.

So yes, you're over-rating Dawson if you expect him to be something he's not, and never can be. But you're being fucking harsh if you're suddenly deciding that he's crap because he's been left as the most experienced defender in a Premiership side at the age of 23. We need Rocha back, and we need him as soon as possible. Failing that, we need a Naybet-type figure brought in during the January window (which the club almost certainly won't do).

I've got nothing more to say about Robbo or jenas, they've proved themselves enough times for the idiots to stop calling for their heads. Or at least you'd hope so.

Malbranque is a great little player, but you're massively over-rating him because you're not seeing his huge limitations. He has no pace to speak of, meaning all his skill and ability to beat players is a waste of time since he can hardly ever get away from them. He needs to release the ball quicker to make use of the half-seconds of time and space he creates for himself. He also must learn to stop fucking drifting over to the right wing, he leaves the LB constantly exposed and has little to no discipline in his positional play. He can't do much about the first problem, but the second is easily sorted.

i pretty much agree with everything except the dawson-kaboul comparison.
dawson IS as you say the slower, more aggressive defender, but Kaboul is NOT like him at all. he is supposed to be in the king mould - quicker, better on the ball, good reader of the game, and that's why king-dawson made such a good partnership.

but this is where the problem is:
kaboul's reading of the game is poor due to being young and inexperienced and so he cannot compensate when daws throws himself into everything leaving kaboul exposed. it will come to kaboul in time, but it's just not working now.
having seen this, i'm sure that a king-dawson partnership from before 2004 (when we got naybet) would have been a complete disaster as it was only after we got naybet did king's reading of the game improve so drastically.