Could Ramos do what Jol didn't dare?

[Shanks]

Lets be honest, one good thing about spurs is we have four strikers that oculd walk into most teams.
Dropping keane and Berbs shouldnt be a problem, and lets face it, confidence is required for bent and defoe, glad bent scored.

Keane has literally carried us for a while now, probably deserves a well earned rest, although I am sure he would have preferredto have started. I would have paired Bent with Keane dropping Berb, but I'm not the boss, and am glad Defoe got a game.

As for the manager, time will tell i guess, I am confident we will be out of trouble before xmas, although sat in the bottom 3/4 in november is seriously worrying, but changes have been made now.

 

[gibbs131]

You take a lot of interest in Spanish football, then?

Not much. You are a 100% expert because you will look up stats online and post like you knew them before hand.

The internet is 99% accurate, therefore you are. Ah the power of retrospect.

I said comedy gold because you made fun of a poster, then posted pretty much the same thing. That the squad will be rotated under Ramos.

 

[SpurSince57]

Not much. You are a 100% expert because you will look up stats online and post like you knew them before hand.

The internet is 99% accurate, therefore you are. Ah the power of retrospect.

I said comedy gold because you made fun of a poster, then posted pretty much the same thing. That the squad will be rotated under Ramos.

:stupid:

Do you actually understand what 'retrospect' means?

 

[SpurSince57]

Would you call playing 48 games last season being rotated?

How many of those did he start?

 

[Legend10]

How many of those did he start?

Virtually all of them

Kanoute was a main stay of the Sevilla side.

 

[yanno]

The Kanoute stats are a bit misleading because he was nursing a groin injury most of the season.

My sense from watching a lot of Sevilla on Sky was that Ramos wouldn't rotate Alves, Poulsen and Kanoute. If they were fit, they played. However, nearly all the others players - even their defenders - were rotated in and out. And to keep the fitness and match tempo up, Ramos would routinely swap the likes of Maresca, Renato, Marti etc - giving them one hour/30 minute shifts.

On a different point, I think Danny Rose has a real chance of getting some substitute appearances. He's an out-and-out left wing flyer, with a good cross - as Poyet will know. And apart from Bale, we don't have anybody else like that in the squad. Taarabt is a more of a challenge. It seems that Comolli persuaded him to sign with promises of early first-team involvement, but the only place I can see him playing for Ramos is wide left, and only then if he shows a hitherto absent discipline in playing the position. We shall see.

 

[gibbs131]

:stupid:

Do you actually understand what 'retrospect' means?

Yep. Just like you ALREADY came up with a stat for Kanoute because that is all you deal with. For stats you need retrospect. RETRO meaning it has already happened.

Your Kanoute stat suggested that he was rotated because you know oh so much about Spanish football. Then another forumite who actually knows about the Spanish league comes on and says he was out because he had a groin injury.

Lol. At least I admitted i didn't follow Spanish football. You pretend you do and look up stats. Which misled you.




Most knowledgeable member? Lol. Most statingest looking up member to prove to he wise member award.

 

[gibbs131]

The Kanoute stats are a bit misleading because he was nursing a groin injury most of the season.

My sense from watching a lot of Sevilla on Sky was that Ramos wouldn't rotate Alves, Poulsen and Kanoute. If they were fit, they played. However, nearly all the others players - even their defenders - were rotated in and out. And to keep the fitness and match tempo up, Ramos would routinely swap the likes of Maresca, Renato, Marti etc - giving them one hour/30 minute shifts.

On a different point, I think Danny Rose has a real chance of getting some substitute appearances. He's an out-and-out left wing flyer, with a good cross - as Poyet will know. And apart from Bale, we don't have anybody else like that in the squad. Taarabt is a more of a challenge. It seems that Comolli persuaded him to sign with promises of early first-team involvement, but the only place I can see him playing for Ramos is wide left, and only then if he shows a hitherto absent discipline in playing the position. We shall see.

Good info. :clap:

 

[SpurSince57]

Yep. Just like you ALREADY came up with a stat for Kanoute because that is all you deal with. For stats you need retrospect. RETRO meaning it has already happened.

Your Kanoute stat suggested that he was rotated because you know oh so much about Spanish football. Then another forumite who actually knows about the Spanish league comes on and says he was out because he had a groin injury.

Lol. At least I admitted i didn't follow Spanish football. You pretend you do and look up stats. Which misled you.




Most knowledgeable member? Lol. Most statingest looking up member to prove to he wise member award.

So you don't understand what 'retrospect' means, then. This shouldn't really come as too much of a surprise to anyone.

And you conveniently ignored the rest of Yanno's post. You've obviously never read posts by other members who have informed us all that JR rotates the majority of the squad, or interviews with Sevilla players, or newspaper articles.

It's always advisable to check your facts, otherwise you end up looking like a complete fool. Try it sometime.

 

[DC_Boy]

The original post wondered whether JR will play JD/RK as our front 2 - I can't see it on a regular basis because as Jol rightly saw it's not a good idea and is highly likley to be ineffective.

Starting Bent and JD away from home is certainly a good idea - (not that I would have done it yesterday but who am I to say compared to Ramos) and Bent scored a classic 'Bent goal' - I've seen him score goals like for Charlton more than once.

 

[gibbs131]

So you don't understand what 'retrospect' means, then. This shouldn't really come as too much of a surprise to anyone.

And you conveniently ignored the rest of Yanno's post. You've obviously never read posts by other members who have informed us all that JR rotates the majority of the squad, or interviews with Sevilla players, or newspaper articles.

It's always advisable to check your facts, otherwise you end up looking like a complete fool. Try it sometime.

Didn't you just do that? In this very thread?

Where did I say Ramos DIDN'T rotate? I didn't.

You proved you didn't follow Spanish football by suggesting Kanoute was DROPPED BECAUSE OF THE ROTATION. Yanno said it was because of a groin problem.

Yanno who actually knows about Spanish football clued us all in that Ramos does have some mainstays (as in he is not 100% rotational).



I said I didn't know that much about Spanish football. You lied and pretended you knew all sorts of crap before an actual fan of Spanish football suggested your Kanoute stat was misleading.

As for retrospect, before the last Spurs game I called it as a draw.

Just like I called Hughton. Just like I called you out as a person who knows nothing unless it has already happened and can google it up.

On the internet you can be an expert in anything. But calling things BEFORE THEY HAPPEN is the mark of someone who knows what they are talking about.

:hello:

 

[SpurSince57]

I see you have your insanity filter switched off again.

 

[gibbs131]

I see you have your insanity filter switched off again.

Great debating. First you claim I don't know what retrospect means (Why? Thats pretty childish). Then you say I am insane.

I was working with the facts of the thread.

See through debate we learn stuff about Ramos. Your comments like "comedy gold" to a posters opinion and "your insanity filter switched off again" is simply trollish.

And the info you gave out was misleading/wrong. So I not only learned some good stuff about Ramos, I also learned some telling stuff about you. :liar:

 

[Stoof]

It seems that our forwards 'rest' more games than they play. :?

 

[gibbs131]

It seems that our forwards 'rest' more games than they play. :?

Berbs these days rests while playing.

 

[fozzi44]

From what i have read and heard Ramos doesnt have a rotation policy. He perfers to stick with the same team if he can.

 

[thejames]

As much as I'd love to see Berba hit form, I'd like to see Bent and Keane start the next game. Bent's been sorely lacking in confidence and a second consecutive start (and chance for back-to-back goals) could do him the world of good.

 

[SpurSince57]

From what i have read and heard Ramos doesnt have a rotation policy. He perfers to stick with the same team if he can.

Our new chum 'Juande_Ramos' pointed out the opposite in the matchday thread, and called him 'Benitez Mk II'—except that he favours a much more attacking style. This has been echoed by others, and the Sevilla players who've talked about him. He never tells them who's playing until 90 minutes before the game. You only have to look at the team stats—only seven players have started in more than 50% of the games (eleven of ours have), and of those only Palop, Alves, Navas and Keita have been virtually omnipresent. According to Marca Kerzhakov is pissed off with things because he's lost his place in the Russian team and wants out, so one or two feelings are liable to be hurt.

I think that once everyone is available and he's got the feel of the squad we'll see him picking a maximum of half-a-dozen core players who'll feature in the majority of games and juggle the rest.

 

[yanno]

From what i have read and heard Ramos doesnt have a rotation policy. He perfers to stick with the same team if he can.

I wouldn't claim to be an expert on Spanish football, but I have watched a lot of La Liga and Sevilla on Sky over the past couple of seasons. And listened to the likes of Guillem Balague and our very own Spurs legend, Gerry Armstrong, who are both pretty knowledgable. From this, I gleaned the following about Ramos' Sevilla:

i) players who didn't play according to his system wouldn't last very long;

ii) he had key players who would always play in the big games if fit, eg Kanoute, Alves, Poulsen, Navarro, Palop;

iii) he would rotate many other players - eg Escude & Dragutinovic in defence, Renato, Maresca, Marti in midfield;

iv) if players were doing what he wanted, he would stick by them even when they weren't showing top form - eg Luis Fabiano was running his heart out but not scoring many goals last season. Ramos kept picking him ahead of the likes of Kerzakhov and Chevanton.

Now, it's a moot point whether the rotation of say the midfielders was to keep his squad happy or because he wanted to play a high-tempo pressing game. I wondered at first why he always seemed to haul whomever was playing CM with Poulsen off after an hour, and replace him with a very similar player - eg put Marti on for Maresca or Renato. I now think it is because of the pressing game he likes to play, and keeping players fit and fresh.

My instincts are that Ramos is not as anal as Benitez about rotation (thank heavens) - although I acknowledge the comments of our very own "Juande_Ramos" and SS57, and I could well be wrong.

I also think the signing of Keita, and the fact he was allowed to attack from CM with Poulsen holding, means Ramos is not entirely wedded to the two orthodox holding CM system that Benitez favours. But I don't think we'll play with a box-to-box CM under Ramos, and that means if Jenas et al don't adapt their game, they'll be shipped out.

 

[SpurSince57]

I doubt I've seen more of Sevilla than you, Yanno, if as much, and (for Gibbsy's information) I certainly don't claim to be any sort of expert either, but that seems to sum it up pretty well; he will develop a core of players that we'll see feature in the majority of games, but no-one's going to be nailed-on if they're not pulling their weight.