Coulibaly and Ceballos

[Kyras]

You're Coulibaly aren't you?

My first thought, too. Already seen Ryan Mason call Coulibaly Soli on twitter.

 

[brett.spurs]

It's not that crazy an idea really. We could've stuck a cheese sandwich upfront last season for all the help our other strikers were to us.

 

[StartingPrice]

It's not that crazy an idea really. We could've stuck a cheese sandwich upfront last season for all the help our other strikers were to us.

:grin:
I think what it does show is that Daniel Levy has clearly decided to take the bull by the horns (cue Bomber jokeEek) in regard to our striker situation.
I, for one, have never believed the publicity stunt conspiracy theory reagrding our bids in January.
I think Levy simply underestimated the task of persuading a top striker to move to WHL. He has done a fantastic job, but he is still on a big learning curve. No-one knew how poor our strikers would be last season, and how poorly they would adapt to playing with VDV. I think he has decided, this window, to put us on a firm footing in regard to strikers for some time to come.

 

[Wiener]

I think Levy simply underestimated the task of persuading a top striker to move to WHL.

It sounds more like you (and many other posters on here) have underestimated the task of persuading a top striker to move to WHL. It's quite incredible how may posters feel they have the right to pontificate about something they have no actual experience of.

 

[3Dnata]

But we haven't signed a cheese sabdwich and I doubt we could get one without CL football.

 

[#1 Spur]

Actually LOL'd at OP. Great argument..."but still".

Nice one.

 

[StartingPrice]

It sounds more like you (and many other posters on here) have underestimated the task of persuading a top striker to move to WHL. It's quite incredible how may posters feel they have the right to pontificate about something they have no actual experience of.

What are you talking about?
How can I be underestimating the difficulty of persuading a top striker to move to WHL is I am saying it is very difficult:duh:
My post was in no way, shape or form critical of Daniel Levy. merely a comment, not based on being directly involved in football, but on being a critical observer of human anature and society, that Daniel Levy, by his own admission not being a footballing man, was in the position of having to try to persuade a top striker to WHL. This is very different from persuading a potentially top striker, or a not quite top striker. He's on a steep learning curve and I suspect, like most of the posters on here, he thought CL football would tip the balance.
When you consider I was making the suggestion (you know, something different from fact) as an alternative to the belief some SCers have developed that our bids in January were publicity stunts, I don't see anything offensive towards Daniel Levy about it at all.
I've done things in my life where, when I started I was hilariously inept, but through perserverance, practice and a bit of ability I have turned out to be fooking good at what I do. So, you see, I do have experience of taking on a totally different role, and I understand that the learning curve exists. Daniel Levy, a non-footballing person, became Chairman of THFC without ever having worked in football. he is now, in some ways, taking on the DOF role in his hands on approach to football. WHy should it be so outrageous that I can see a learning curve being in operation here? And why should I need to have worked in professional football to recognise this?

Finally, if folk on these message boards confined themselves to issues that have had direct experiences of, seen as very few of us (if any) have actually played in the EPL, or managed/been Chairman of a club that has, the MB would be pretty free of chat, wouldn't it!

 

[MightyModric]

To be honest, if we still have the same strikers come the end of the window, Coulibaly is welcome to start up front. He can't do any worse than the plebs sat up front last season, can he?

 

[ItsBoris]

Honestly if we don't sign anyone else Coulibaly should start up front imo, he is probably our best striker at the moment. He should also be picked ahead of whatever strikers we had last season stay at the club.

 

[Wiener]

What are you talking about?
How can I be underestimating the difficulty of persuading a top striker to move to WHL is I am saying it is very difficult:duh:
My post was in no way, shape or form critical of Daniel Levy. merely a comment, not based on being directly involved in football, but on being a critical observer of human anature and society, that Daniel Levy, by his own admission not being a footballing man, was in the position of having to try to persuade a top striker to WHL. This is very different from persuading a potentially top striker, or a not quite top striker. He's on a steep learning curve and I suspect, like most of the posters on here, he thought CL football would tip the balance.
When you consider I was making the suggestion (you know, something different from fact) as an alternative to the belief some SCers have developed that our bids in January were publicity stunts, I don't see anything offensive towards Daniel Levy about it at all.
I've done things in my life where, when I started I was hilariously inept, but through perserverance, practice and a bit of ability I have turned out to be fooking good at what I do. So, you see, I do have experience of taking on a totally different role, and I understand that the learning curve exists. Daniel Levy, a non-footballing person, became Chairman of THFC without ever having worked in football. he is now, in some ways, taking on the DOF role in his hands on approach to football. WHy should it be so outrageous that I can see a learning curve being in operation here? And why should I need to have worked in professional football to recognise this?

Finally, if folk on these message boards confined themselves to issues that have had direct experiences of, seen as very few of us (if any) have actually played in the EPL, or managed/been Chairman of a club that has, the MB would be pretty free of chat, wouldn't it!

All very interesting of course but I don't see how it's relevant to football, THFC and the issue of signing a top striker.

Regarding my initial point, perhaps you, not Levy, are underestimating how difficult it is to sign a top striker. I am sure Levy knows very well how difficult it is as he has been trying to do it for a number of years now. Perhaps it's not that he doesn't understand how difficult it is, but that because it is so difficult he cannot sign one.

You, and many others on this site, seem to think it's just a question of understanding how difficult it is and then just going ahead and signing a top striker.

 

[mil1lion]

Harry Kane is the answer.

 

[smudger]

OP is on a wind up aint he? great first post :duh:

 

[StartingPrice]

All very interesting of course but I don't see how it's relevant to football, THFC and the issue of signing a top striker.

Regarding my initial point, perhaps you, not Levy, are underestimating how difficult it is to sign a top striker. I am sure Levy knows very well how difficult it is as he has been trying to do it for a number of years now. Perhaps it's not that he doesn't understand how difficult it is, but that because it is so difficult he cannot sign one.

You, and many others on this site, seem to think it's just a question of understanding how difficult it is and then just going ahead and signing a top striker.

I've already answered all of this.
Perhaps you could try reading posts rather than looking for arguments where none really exist.

I repeat, how can I be underestimating how difficult it is to sign a top striker when I am saying it is FOOKING hard? Don't you get that?

I am justifying Levy, but suggesting (you understand the difference between SUGGESTING and STATING AS DEFINITE?), a possible reason, based on common sense, as to why he hasn't been successful, as opposed to all of those who invent conspiracay theories (like, putting in large bids was a publicity stunt).

I don't think it is a seeming to think it is aquestion of anything - because I go out of my way all of the time to stress to other posters that we haave never done any of these jobs, or certainly not at the level Levy/Redknapp are at. So where do you get that from?

TBH I think you are just looking to pick an argument.

FACT: Daniel Levy entered the footballing World from a completely different sector.
FACT: He is taking on more and more of responsibility in the hiring and firing role.
FACT: Anyone who undertakes something new has something of a steep learning curve.
SUGGESTION: Maybe Levy, having the money, and reached his long-term goal of CL football clap::clap::clap, believed that enticing a top striker to WHL would be something achievable last Summer/January. The FACT that he conspicuously failed to do so, the said failure having a decidedly detrimental effect on our season, has led to all kinds of explanations. It is possible, (as in I never discounted it at all) that he knew exactly how difficult it would be to attract a top striker to WHL. I'm not too sure how I feel about that. I know a lot of posters we see that as a massive failure on his part - no matter that it was going to be difficult. All I suggested was that he is on a steep learning curve - still - and that might explain why we had money to spend, are seen as a club on the up, with an exciting squad, playing exciting, attacking football, and were in the CL, but couldn't attract a top striker. What is your explanation? because I really can't see that as being anything terrible to say about our Chairman, who I admire greatly. And it certainly doesn't warrant (or give you the right) to make all of the assumptions you are making about me personally. I am well aware that I don't do his job, that it is incredibly difficult, and that attracting a top striker is very difficult, thank you.

Of course it is relevant to football, THFC and the issue of signing a top striker.
If he is taking a major part in negotiating for the transfer of a top striker, as the Chairman of our football club, and he underestimates anything (i.e. ANYTHING) about the deal, it could delay the deal, or cause a cessation of discussions. That is simple,and should even need explaining.

I haven't said anything wildly unreasonable. I haven't criticised the manager i any way. And I haven't claimed to have any knowledge I do not have. I made a suggestion that, if anything, shows our Chairman in a better light than most posters are casting him in this matter, and it was ONLY a SUGGESTION. I repeat, I think you are just looking for an argument for the sake of it.

 

[not_tenth-again]

As good as they may be it's a step too far to start just yet.

At best Coulibaly should be consered 5th or 6th choice by the time our recruiting is done this window. And I'd argue that's perfect development path for someone new to English Football. NextGen series, various international youth tournaments and training with the first team Monday to Friday. His time is in 12-18 months.

Ceballos is more of a gamble, he could be anything or nothing, it's very dependant on his application and how it translates in managements thinking. His time could well be right now, it's certainly in the next 12 months, he needs to make every minute count... and it will only be a few minutes a game to start with - at best.

In summary, we've added depth and undoubted talent... the force is strong in these ones but each step must be taken in sequence.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Couliibaly equalled the scoring record set by...... Florent Sinama Pongolle. He needs to prove himself before he is anywhere near our team.

 

[michaelden]

I'd not be unhappy if both Coulibally & Ceballos got game time early in the season. A few sub appearances to blood them would be useful. No need to rush them in but would definitely like to see Harry using all subs with 5 minutes to go.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Harry Kane is the answer.

What's the question?

Which EPL academy player's name sounds most like a tropical cyclone?

 

[IanWrightsUglyWife]

Couliibaly equalled the scoring record set by...... Florent Sinama Pongolle. He needs to prove himself before he is anywhere near our team.

Yeh but to be fair to the lad he did it in 4 games where as pongolle did it in 7. Coulibaly could of smashed that record had ivory coast stayed in the tournament

 

[Spurtacular]

These two players are Fantastic talents! Hopefully well have a chance to see them feature in the Carling Cup or Europa League.

 

[Khilari]

basically we can't afford to bring in players better than our current crop (wages ± fees, CL football etc.)

there are prob players around who'd love to play for us, but whether they'll actually be better than crouch / defoe / pav and arguably keane is prob the sticking point. forget not our previous failures... (rebrov, ferdinand [came good a lot later], postiga, rasiak and arguably GDS) as well as other flop big money signings (bentley, bent) to name but a few recent ones

so HR and Levy are probably being cautious esp with our loss of CL revenue and need to finance a new stadium to continue to compete!

would rather wait than see us panic buy for the sake of appeasing us fans and snare another berbatov / klinsmann or teddy! g'luck DL and HR!