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Source: BBC

The High Court has ruled against parts of an appeal by a landlady convicted of using foreign satellite feeds to show live English Premier League football.

The appeal was brought by Karen Murphy, landlady of the Red, White and Blue pub in Southsea, Hampshire.

It is a test case for pubs throughout the country that use satellite systems from countries such as Greece and Morocco to show live English football.

The appeal may resume to consider aspects of European law in the case.

Lord Justice Pumfrey, sitting with Mr Justice Stanley Burnton, dismissed the appeal based on domestic law.

He said that BSkyB had the exclusive right to screen or broadcast the matches in question in the UK and it was "apparent" that Ms Murphy knew that was the case.

But he added that the court had not heard arguments about whether European competition and free movement legislation might affect the case.

The appeal will therefore be reopened for a day next year to decide those issues, he explained.

Ms Murphy received feeds of live football and equipment from the Greek broadcaster Nova, which charged her about £800 a year, compared with the £6,000 a year that she would have to pay satellite TV firm BSkyB for the service.

It also allowed her to show live games on a Saturday afternoon at 1500, which the Premier League does not make available to companies broadcasting in England.

"We hope that publicans and others will now heed the advice of the courts and accept that the use of foreign satellite systems to screen Premier League football in the UK is copyright theft, pure and simple," said league spokesman Dan Johnson.

But Ms Murphy's lawyer Paul Dixon stressed that the case was not yet over.

"In footballing terms, we are in the half-time interval, and every football fan knows that the game is never over and nor is the result certain until the final whistle," he said.

"We have always said that this case is all about European law, and the High Court has not yet heard argument on the European Union issues," he added.

There are several companies that install foreign satellite equipment in pubs in the UK, including Digital Sales, which is run by Joe Ibrahim.

Mr Ibrahim claimed that the ruling was unfair, and not consistent with copyright rules that covered other products.

"If what we're doing is illegal then it will stop people bringing European cars into Britain and if you buy a DVD in Europe and have it shipped to you in Britain then that will be deemed illegal too," he said.


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Parts of Ms Murphy's case may be reconsidered under European law
 

Rocksuperstar

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wow, complicated case - what it does say to me though is that if the law allows for the installation of these units in the UK, and supplies them with packages for landlords and stuff to broadcast it in their venue, exactly the same way sky sell to landlords, then it's surely not this lass' fault for using the service they offered.

It's a bit like saying it's not illegal for it to be sold or bought, but it's illegal to use it once you've bought it. Is the argument based mainly on her showing it at the pub, or the fact that she uses the foreign satellite company to watch the games? Surely, if this is the case, then any person in this country with that satellite system installed is risking potential law suits, if that company broadcasts something that is not financially pre-arranged to tie in with UK prices for a particular event or show :shrug:

I don't envy whoever it is has to pass judgement on this one...
 

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Makes me wonder where she would stand if she payed and streamed the games over the interwebb too - is there such a company offering streamed packages, legally, on the net anywhere?

The Premier League is really tight on this stuff, as is Sky and, considering the insane numbers that get bandied about you can understand why, i don't see this going any further without some kind of investigation or enquiry and study into this as the test case it has to be.

Seems to me like she's found a loophole - if her name was Wenger, they'd probably let it go...
 

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crap this will probably mean the place i go to watch these matches will be careful about this issue in the future
 

Lanh

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It's legal to buy the equipment, it's legal to install the equipment. She is paying her suppliers going subscription rate.

From what I know about the EU, they're likely to back her because to do otherwise would be to impose trade restrictions which affect member states trading with member states, which they're never going to agree to because then they will have to prevent all kinds of services and goods which are cheaper elsewhere than being sold to UK residents.

Sounds to me like a huge case of sour grapes from Sky because they're missing out on the huge amount of money they charge for an inferior product. A wiser move would be for Sky to become more competitive and/or to offer a better product to the UK public.

Viva la free market! :lol:

What a load of bollocks!
 

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It's legal to buy the equipment, it's legal to install the equipment. She is paying her suppliers going subscription rate.

From what I know about the EU, they're likely to back her because to do otherwise would be to impose trade restrictions which affect member states trading with member states, which they're never going to agree to because then they will have to prevent all kinds of services and goods which are cheaper elsewhere than being sold to UK residents.

Sounds to me like a huge case of sour grapes from Sky because they're missing out on the huge amount of money they charge for an inferior product. A wiser move would be for Sky to become more competitive and/or to offer a better product to the UK public.

Viva la free market! :lol:

What a load of bollocks!
Considering it's Sky who have been pushing the premiership prices through the roof then i salute anything that means they miss out on a few quid. :up:

If you're right then they'll likely push for a change in the law or something too - if this does win then Sky can wave goodbye to thousands of landlords across the UK, guarantee it :pray:
 
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