Cristiano Ronaldo’s off the pitch troubles

[Ghost Hardware]

Um, so this Ronaldo fellow seems like a bit of a creep. To be honest, I was actually convinced he was gay for a long while but this story doesn’t surprise me ether (if it turns out to be true). I know a lot of football players are rich, uneducated, egomaniacs but Ronaldo has always seemed a little too unbalanced. One does wonder what other secrets his media team, agent and lawyers are hiding. Still, even if he is found guilty he will probably get away with it. Robinho seems to have managed to escape his recent 9 year jail sentence for rape in 2013.

 

[jezz]

Um, so this Ronaldo fellow seems like a bit of a creep. To be honest, I was actually convinced he was gay for a long while but this story doesn’t surprise me ether (if it turns out to be true). I know a lot of football players are rich, uneducated, egomaniacs but Ronaldo has always seemed a little too unbalanced. One does wonder what other secrets his media team, agent and lawyers are hiding. Still, even if he is found guilty he will probably get away with it. Robinho seems to have managed to escape his recent 9 year jail sentence for rape in 2013.

That's fcuking outrageous.
What kind of example are we settling for the younger generation. Be a footballer and do as you please?

 

[jay2040]

I thought she was stating that she was in a vulnerable state when signing the waiver and that is what the case is going forward , not directly about guilt or innocent! Fucked up as it seems!!

 

[mill]

That's fcuking outrageous.
What kind of example are we settling for the younger generation. Be a footballer and do as you please?

Be rich and/or famous and do as you please, it’s always been the same this is nothing new

 

[nailsy]

Oh no, I am not the one suggesting that 1 in 3 women have been ASSAULTED sexually. I would like to know how one understands the term. I am fully aware of the difference, yet I suspect that many interchange the terms at will. Each one carries a completely different weight. To many assault is synonimous with rape, as is harassment. I simply ask for clarification and other than indignation I am yet to get a clear answer.

The official UK figures say one in five:

One in five women in England and Wales have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, according to official analysis of violent crime figures.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...crime-survey-england-wales-ons-police-figures

The World Health Organization say one in three women will experience assault or sexual assault:

http://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women

If it's one in three or one in five the figures are still horrendous.

I thought she was stating that she was in a vulnerable state when signing the waiver and that is what the case is going forward , not directly about guilt or innocent! Fucked up as it seems!!

They've reopened the investigation so it's definitely about his guilt now.

 

[Lilbaz]

Sigh, I find it very revealing as well as depressing, to hear that you are able to feel sorry for and empathise with a rich, famous, multi millionaire who could be a potential rapist and yet not one word of sympathy for the alleged rape victim. Let me tell you from personal experience that rape and/or sexual assault is a horrifically traumatic event and one which you carry with you for the rest of your life. I think a lot of men still don't get how pervasive this issue is, one in three women have been sexually assaulted or raped during their lifetime, often more than once. Yet society and it's rape culture have failed women and silenced their voices, which is why it is the most under reported crime in the world.
Firstly, you are scared to come forward because of guilt,shame, fear of retaliation and not being believed. Women often get attacked and smeared for coming forward, it's like being victimised all over again. Rape cases that do get to court also have a shockingly low conviction rate (approx 25% compared with approx 86% of other crimes).

Because of the above, rape and sexual assault victims have lost confidence with a system that repeatedly fails them. Imagine, therefore, how difficult it is for women to come forward with an accusation against powerful/rich/famous men like Ronaldo with their army of lawyers and PR teams?
Ronaldo's life and career will not be ruined unless this case ends up in court and he is convicted, in which case he will deserve it. Meanwhile, the Kindergarten teacher who has given up her job to deal with this,
will no doubt be getting death threats from his fanboys and his highly paid PR team will conduct a vicious smear campaign in an attempt to discredit her. I know who I feel more sympathy for and it isn't him.
In addition, I find this whole pushing back against #metoo with this ''false accusation ' narrative extremely disheartening. False allegations are harmful but incredibly rare for the reasons given above and ironically, men are a thousand times more likely to be a victim of child abuse perpetrated by another man than be falsely accused by a woman. So this victim blaming narrative is equally harmful to men. On the other hand, the only person guaranteed to lie about rape is the rapist themselves.
Also, the oft repeated 'innocent until proven guilty' mantra is only applicable in a court of law where the accused is in danger of imprisonment, getting a criminal record and going on the sex offenders register. None of which is applicable in this case.
However, outside of court, women and men have been driven to social or mainstream media with their allegations against powerful wealthy men because they are fed up of being silenced/let down by society and the justice system and are finally being given a platform for their voice to be heard. But far from having their 'lives ruined' pretty much the worse that has happened to these men, most with multiple credible accusations against them, is that they have been removed from their jobs or are lying low until they think this blows over, this while they still live their multi million $ lifestyles. Let's not forget a man with 20 sexual assault allegations is POTUS and a man with three allegations is likely to be confirmed as a US Supreme court Judge. Plus sex offender Louis CK is now back on the comedy circuit ( even though he is worth $35 million and never has to work again). So no, compared to the millions of rape and sexual assault victims (male and female) who carry their mental scars forever, these men's lives are not being ruined. In fact, if you read a lot of the stories, it's the accusers lives that are often ruined because they lose their job/are blacklisted.
The only time powerful men have/will face any sort of justice is when there have been multiple allegations of rape - Bill Cosby (60 victims) and Weinstein (80+ victims). So the likelihood of Ronaldo facing justice is minimal, because one woman's word never seems to be enough. This is another reason why accused parties should always be named because it encourages other potential victims to come forward and therefore more likely to result in a conviction.
Ultimately, any narrative that only talks about supposed 'false allegations' and how they are 'ruining men's lives' only helps to enable a victim blaming rape culture and prevents victims from speaking out. A man's career is not worth more than a victims trauma.

We have every sympathy for the victim but how does making this all public help in anyway? I'm sure that she would prefer this wasn't public.

 

['O Zio]

Everything you said in that post was incorrect.
Its not slander - but, oddly enough - that would require someone to prove the statement was not just false, but knowingly false, thus putting the burden of proof back on the accused.

Sorry to jump in but there may be some confusion about slander because the law works in basically the opposite way in the US vs the UK/most of Europe. In the US, you're right it's up to the person who has been "slandered" to prove that the statement was false. In the UK/Europe, however, it's the other way round i.e. it's up to the person who said it to prove that they had reasonable belief that what they were saying was true.

Not saying it's necessarily relevant to this case, more just explaining why there might be some confusion between you and sebo about slander.

 

[nailsy]

We have every sympathy for the victim but how does making this all public help in anyway? I'm sure that she would prefer this wasn't public.

For one thing it might mean that more victims come forward.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

The official UK figures say one in five:

One in five women in England and Wales have experienced some type of sexual assault since the age of 16, according to official analysis of violent crime figures.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...crime-survey-england-wales-ons-police-figures

The World Health Organization say one in three women will experience assault or sexual assault:

http://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women

If it's one in three or one in five the figures are still horrendous.



They've reopened the investigation so it's definitely about his guilt now.

Sadly those stats are completely believable. Out of 10 female friends I have that I’ve been great friends with for years, 2 have been raped and a further 3 sexually assaulted. I’ve had two girlfriends in the past that had been raped, I strongly suspected another one had, certain things she did hinted that something very bad had happened. We didn’t date long enough for it to get discussed.

If fucking sickens me that men can do this to women. We all know when no really means no and being pissed is never an excuse. A couple of posts in here are fucked up. Reminds me of a mate that has gone all anti feminist and thinks they are leading to men being demasculinized. What a load of bollocks. There is still a long way to go sadly.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

He actually went through a long and thorough investigaton when he received the highest security clearance in the USA, including launch codes. This time around it was pointless to go through the same process again. The first time round they had to speak with everyone he's ever met. That's how thorough it was. It would have come up then.

Keep perpetuating the patriarchy, pal. Like, Duh....

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Sadly those stats are completely believable. Out of 10 female friends I have that I’ve been great friends with for years, 2 have been raped and a further 3 sexually assaulted. I’ve had two girlfriends in the past that had been raped, I strongly suspected another one had, certain things she did hinted that something very bad had happened. We didn’t date long enough for it to get discussed.

If fucking sickens me that men can do this to women. We all know when no really means no and being pissed is never an excuse. A couple of posts in here are fucked up. Reminds me of a mate that has gone all anti feminist and thinks they are leading to men being demasculinized. What a load of bollocks. There is still a long way to go sadly.

Shit,that's awful. Surely that's not the figures, I can only speak for myself, I don't think I know of anyone who's gone through that. I suppose I wouldn't be told, not the type of thing that crops up often.

 

[thebenjamin]

That's fcuking outrageous.
What kind of example are we settling for the younger generation. Be a footballer and do as you please?

I'd be more worried about the president of the United States in terms of examples being set

But take your point nevertheless

 

[jezz]

I'd be more worried about the president of the United States in terms of examples being set

But take your point nevertheless

Every politician in my book is a crook.

 

[Saoirse]

Every politician in my book is a crook.

A crook's one thing. Most of them don't boast about how it's totally fine to "grab 'em by the pussy" and how often they've sexually assaulted women.

 

[jezz]

A crook's one thing. Most of them don't boast about how it's totally fine to "grab 'em by the pussy" and how often they've sexually assaulted women.

If America can only offer Trump and Clinton as presidential candidates then it's a sorry state of affairs in political America.
One is a sexual predator and the other one wanted to bomb half the world in search of money.
Not much of a choice in anyone's world.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Shit,that's awful. Surely that's not the figures, I can only speak for myself, I don't think I know of anyone who's gone through that. I suppose I wouldn't be told, not the type of thing that crops up often.

I'm really tight with all of them. 3 I've known since school, so over 30 years and the other 7 since my early 20s. We still see a lot of each other and there is constant chat on a Whatapp group. I hope the stats countrywide don't match those but I fear it isn't that far behind.

 

[Tucker]

Shit,that's awful. Surely that's not the figures, I can only speak for myself, I don't think I know of anyone who's gone through that. I suppose I wouldn't be told, not the type of thing that crops up often.

That’s exactly it. It’s a really private thing, so unless you’re very close friends with someone, or it’s your partner, you’re not likely to ever find out.

Saying that, I know a couple of people who’ve been raped. And I live in a tiny rural town in Wales. So I guess the stats aren’t far off really.

It’s a truly horrible thing to do to someone.

 

[whitechina]

I just saw this and feel for anyone who has been hurt
Remember it's not you but some other bastard

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

That’s exactly it. It’s a really private thing, so unless you’re very close friends with someone, or it’s your partner, you’re not likely to ever find out.

Saying that, I know a couple of people who’ve been raped. And I live in a tiny rural town in Wales. So I guess the stats aren’t far off really.

It’s a truly horrible thing to do to someone.

Horrified. Astounded.

 

[Saoirse]

I'm really tight with all of them. 3 I've known since school, so over 30 years and the other 7 since my early 20s. We still see a lot of each other and there is constant chat on a Whatapp group. I hope the stats countrywide don't match those but I fear it isn't that far behind.

Not something I talk about much/ever on here but I'm a very queer person and the majority of my friends are women. All have been harrassed, nearly all of them have been sexually assaulted and a number have been raped. I honestly think for women currently in their 20s/30s the rate is even higher than the widely discussed figures suggest. It's absolutely endemic.