Danny Ings to Liverpool

RicOfPeace

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Not one else think it is humbling to see Liverpool scrambling around in the bargain basement looking for vaguely talented players who they can get on a free. How the mighty have fallen.
although I agree with what you're saying...
I think its just as embarrassing that to us its a disappointment to miss out on someone like Ings where as most Pool fans I personally know are disappointed they're signing him in the first place.

personally I'd rather Benteke or Austin as a striker signing.
 

Syn_13

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I wouldn't have minded Ings. I think Kane was the reason why he chose them and not us. I think he wants to play number 9 and may feel he gets more of a chance at Liverpool while Sturridge struggles for fitness and form.
 

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Not one else think it is humbling to see Liverpool scrambling around in the bargain basement looking for vaguely talented players who they can get on a free. How the mighty have fallen.
Anyone think they've seen this story before. Here's a piece stolen from Wikipedia
Cole joined Liverpool on a free transfer after signing a four-year deal in July 2010.[37][38] He was manager Roy Hodgson's first signing at the club and was given the number 10 shirt.[39] Cole was to receive £90,000-a-week wages[40] and was advertised as a major coup by the club. Club captain Steven Gerrard even claimed Cole was as technically good as Lionel Messi.[
 

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although I agree with what you're saying...
I think its just as embarrassing that to us its a disappointment to miss out on someone like Ings where as most Pool fans I personally know are disappointed they're signing him in the first place.

personally I'd rather Benteke or Austin as a striker signing.
Not really I believe we are just more self aware. They were top 4 regulars and have fallen off massively, finishing below us 5 out of the last 6 years or something, yet can't accept their status. We aren't going to sign players like Lacazette, we can try but other clubs will pip us, plus we already have a top striker and pay a lot less. Going for Ings is going after a decent player within our budget and accepting that we need to be shrewd to progress. They are disappointed as they still believe they should be dining at the top table for players and feel he isn't big enough to play for Pool forgetting their place in football now. Just a shame he has joined a club that doesn't seem to value him.

Also how is it embarrassing to be disappointed at missing out on Ings then in the same breath say we should get Auston like they're leagues apart.

FWIW I was disappointed we missed out on Ings, I would have spent 15mil max on him I reckon but for a free transfer he would have been great. Hard worker and has good ability. The news about us going after Martial though has cheered me up, I haven't heard of him before, but it sounds like he has a higher ceiling and would also creates the competition we needed.
 

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He probably doesn't hae to move house now:)
I'd have been pleased if we'd signed him but I'm not losing any sleep over him going to Liverpool, somebody was going there.
 

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lol, so it was! Just the title of the thread made out that the transfer was complete. Deceptive. Perhaps you title edited.
Ha, no, I'd assume that was a mod. It's only appropriate for one of them to both move the thread and change the title now that he isn't a relevant Spurs transfer target.
 

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Not one else think it is humbling to see Liverpool scrambling around in the bargain basement looking for vaguely talented players who they can get on a free. How the mighty have fallen.
I think the opposite. Liverpool's problem has been trying to act like the big boys when they can't compete with them.

They've tried spending big and found they've overspent on players not as good as the teams they are trying to compete with. These players, such as Cole, Carrol and now Milner, didn't have any potential to improve.

Ings is a good striker with a lot of potential. He won't put them up a level this season but in time can be a very good player for and for many years to come if they develop him correctly.

It's a good signing imo.
 

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Apparently he's on 60-80k no wonder he had his heart set on them. We can't pay that. We'd have Adebayor, Soldado and Ings all on higher money than our best and no.1 striker.
 

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I think the opposite. Liverpool's problem has been trying to act like the big boys when they can't compete with them.

They've tried spending big and found they've overspent on players not as good as the teams they are trying to compete with. These players, such as Cole, Carrol and now Milner, didn't have any potential to improve.

Ings is a good striker with a lot of potential. He won't put them up a level this season but in time can be a very good player for and for many years to come if they develop him correctly.

It's a good signing imo.
Liverpool quite clearly have the money to compete though. They just dont make the right signings.
 

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Apparently he's on 60-80k no wonder he had his heart set on them. We can't pay that. We'd have Adebayor, Soldado and Ings all on higher money than our best and no.1 striker.
Those wages for Ings with a bloated tribunal fee(if the levy bidding 12m was correct) is absolute bonkers. He's good but far from being worth that much. The pool got fleeced again by the sounds of it.

Horrible negotiating skills from Liverpool on display this summer. Bloated wages for Ings and Milner so far. Quite laughable.
 

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Liverpool quite clearly have the money to compete though. They just dont make the right signings.
The problem isn't simply money though.

The available players at the level they want to compete are also regularly targeted by the current top 4 so Liverpool often miss out. We have felt the same with Willian.

So Liverpool could target talented rawer talent like Ings but too often have gone for the likes of Milner, Carrol, Cole etc.
 

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Not sure what the fuss is about this guy at all tbh, seems like a nice guy when I saw him on soccer Sunday with Kammy and Ben Shepherd but I just don't see him being a top striker.
 

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Those wages for Ings with a bloated tribunal fee(if the levy bidding 12m was correct) is absolute bonkers. He's good but far from being worth that much. The pool got fleeced again by the sounds of it.

Horrible negotiating skills from Liverpool on display this summer. Bloated wages for Ings and Milner so far. Quite laughable.
First of all the Press Association have looked into it and reported that the Ings tribunal fee will prob be £6m tops. The Spurs big bid thing has happened before with Tom Ince and it made no difference to his tribunal fee. They also say going against Burnley is that they've only had him for 4 years and he started his development at Bournemouth so that will make fee a little smaller.

Secondly Milner is on £100kpw basic. The rest is his signing on fee that is paid over the duration of his contract which, because its bigger than a usual signing on fee due to him coming on a bosman, has artificially inflated his wages. This doesn't cost LFC anymore than if they had paid a transfer fee for the player. His wages keep being mentioned but missing this context everytime.

Finally, the same applies to Ings as does to Milner. His wages are artificially inflated by an unusually big signing on fee. His basic is believed to be around £50kpw which is about the usual for LFC. All in all the club is spending any more money on the 2 players than they would do on any other player that would have required a transfer fee with a good chunk of it up front.

For once, with these 2 players, Liverpool have certainly not been "fleeced" (which makes a change). For once they've actually got 2 decent deals all in all. Milner is a proven player and Ings would have to be a massive failure for Liverpool not to, at least, make all their money back when selling him on due to expected low tribunal fee that under values him.

P.S. If you don't think Reds know their new place in football hierarchy or have accepted their downfall, all you have to do is read the #LFC on Twitter and you will see the pessimism, the complete lack of any real expectations under FSG and BR and the acceptance that their is no chance any top player would countenance a move to Liverpool any time soon. Stop reading RAWK.
 

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Not one else think it is humbling to see Liverpool scrambling around in the bargain basement looking for vaguely talented players who they can get on a free. How the mighty have fallen.
Seeing a lot of revisionism like this. Lets make one thing clear. Liverpool, since the 90s, have never competed for the very best players. We've always been in that tier below and now were in the tier below that.

Even when we, like Arse now, were a safe bet for CL nearly every season (basically 2001 - 2009ish), we never signed a proven world class top, top player like Utd and Chelsea (and later City) did. The closest we got was paying £21m for Torres but even he wasn't a defo WC player then. His scoring record for example was nothing special at Atleti. When we bought Mascherano for £17m that was a big deal. City and Utd were spending much more than this on an individual player.

So we have fallen in terms of level of player we are/can sign, but its not as big a drop as people, in-particular LFC supporters, are making out.
 
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