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David Villa signs for Atletico Madrid

crokey

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You guys nearly got me. I actually started to believe there is some Tottenham fans against the signing of world superstar David Villa. Must be the same people who troll me by saying no to Wesley Sneijder, Arjen Robben and Edin Dzeko.

Who wants a front 3 with 31 year old in it though I guess, too old for all this running about malarky.
 

tom4s

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You guys nearly got me. I actually started to believe there is some Tottenham fans against the signing of world superstar David Villa. Must be the same people who troll me by saying no to Wesley Sneijder, Arjen Robben and Edin Dzeko.

Who wants a front 3 with 31 year old in it though I guess, too old for all this running about malarky.

I would not say no to Villa on a free. Since we dont have a billionaire sugar daddy we simply cant afford to throw away money. Therefore any players we buy need to have a sell-on value, ideally one that makes us at least break even or even better make profit.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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I would not say no to Villa on a free. Since we dont have a billionaire sugar daddy we simply cant afford to throw away money. Therefore any players we buy need to have a sell-on value, ideally one that makes us at least break even or even better make profit.
If he scored plenty of goals over 2 seasons, or quite frankly scored goals that got us into the Champions League, that would pay the money back and then some. Seriously, you need to get out of this "sell-on value" mindset.
 

C0YS

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I would not say no to Villa on a free. Since we dont have a billionaire sugar daddy we simply cant afford to throw away money. Therefore any players we buy need to have a sell-on value, ideally one that makes us at least break even or even better make profit.

What I don't get is when fans seem to get worked up about the finances, or even reject players based on worth etc. The truth is we have only a vague idea of how finances and transfers work in football clubs but more importantly if the club believes that we should spend x money on a player then it is no concern to us. Let us judge what players we should buy based on ability, leave the finances to the people running the darn thing.

Personally, I think anyone who does not want David Villa to join the club are crazy. This is a guy who has consistently scored a bucket load of goals, in his time at Barca he has scored 47 in 112 games playing from the right. A goal record which is absolutely incredible from that position, and is unmatched from a wide position in that team. He is the record goalscorer for Spain and is quite possibly the greatest striker of the latter half of the millennium so far. He is a player who is proven world class, unlike other options such as Damiao or Son, and is quite possibly the only semi-realistic target of such a level. Also he would raise the status of Tottenham world wide. Create loads more new fans and give us international recognition, as well as proving to our own players that we are a club heading in the right direction. It is the very definition of a no-brainier if logistically possible.

Mind, despite all this I would be absolutely shocked if he came to spurs. But we have some things on our side. It is well known he wants to play in the PL. It is possible that in a world cup year he would want to get regular games, this could also help to lower his wage although I am sure that Barca might subsidies his wage if needed. Other PL teams do not seem so linked to him, still think Arsenal, Man city, liverpool and Chelsea might want to get involved which means that in my view if we have to pay premium for him, then so be it if it means that he will go to us rather then any other team. So there is a slight chance that this transfer might come to fruition, but I doubt it.
 

Syn_13

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If he scored plenty of goals over 2 seasons, or quite frankly scored goals that got us into the Champions League, that would pay the money back and then some. Seriously, you need to get out of this "sell-on value" mindset.

I think you need to have a word with our beloved chairman. :p
 

tom4s

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What I don't get is when fans seem to get worked up about the finances, or even reject players based on worth etc. The truth is we have only a vague idea of how finances and transfers work in football clubs but more importantly if the club believes that we should spend x money on a player then it is no concern to us. Let us judge what players we should buy based on ability, leave the finances to the people running the darn thing.

Personally, I think anyone who does not want David Villa to join the club are crazy. This is a guy who has consistently scored a bucket load of goals, in his time at Barca he has scored 47 in 112 games playing from the right. A goal record which is absolutely incredible from that position, and is unmatched from a wide position in that team. He is the record goalscorer for Spain and is quite possibly the greatest striker of the latter half of the millennium so far. He is a player who is proven world class, unlike other options such as Damiao or Son, and is quite possibly the only semi-realistic target of such a level. Also he would raise the status of Tottenham world wide. Create loads more new fans and give us international recognition, as well as proving to our own players that we are a club heading in the right direction. It is the very definition of a no-brainier if logistically possible.

Mind, despite all this I would be absolutely shocked if he came to spurs. But we have some things on our side. It is well known he wants to play in the PL. It is possible that in a world cup year he would want to get regular games, this could also help to lower his wage although I am sure that Barca might subsidies his wage if needed. Other PL teams do not seem so linked to him, still think Arsenal, Man city, liverpool and Chelsea might want to get involved which means that in my view if we have to pay premium for him, then so be it if it means that he will go to us rather then any other team. So there is a slight chance that this transfer might come to fruition, but I doubt it.

Agree that everyone has a value and that there is more to the financial side of transfers than just sell-on-value (marketing etc). Since no one can know whether Villa will bring CL qualification or not, i just think it is a pretty big gamble.

Btw, if you are interested in delving deeper into the financial side of football i can really recommend the blog "The Swiss Ramble". In this particular (and huge) article Swiss Ramble analyses the finances of all PL clubs last year. A very interesting and informative read: http://swissramble.blogspot.se/2013/04/show-me-money.html
 

C0YS

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Agree that everyone has a value and that there is more to the financial side of transfers than just sell-on-value (marketing etc). Since no one can know whether Villa will bring CL qualification or not, i just think it is a pretty big gamble.

Btw, if you are interested in delving deeper into the financial side of football i can really recommend the blog "The Swiss Ramble". In this particular (and huge) article Swiss Ramble analyses the finances of all PL clubs last year. A very interesting and informative read: http://swissramble.blogspot.se/2013/04/show-me-money.html
I know the swiss ramble, I was actually thinking of using it as an example. The guy who writes that probably knows the ins and outs of football fans more than most observers. But even he would be unable to tell you how transfers are valued and organised. We simply have no idea how a) the valuation of a footballer is made b) what exactly makes up a transfer offer.
 

tom4s

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If he scored plenty of goals over 2 seasons, or quite frankly scored goals that got us into the Champions League, that would pay the money back and then some. Seriously, you need to get out of this "sell-on value" mindset.

Sure if that where to happen then he would be worth it. The problem is that we cant know this. What we do know is that he is 31 and that he used to be a very good striker before breaking his leg.

Talent just doesnt go away over night, but we cant really know if he will ever go back to being his best. I havent seen him enough to have an opinion on this. But i think that it is fair to assume that such a serious injury at the age of 30 is likely to speed up his decline.
 

tom4s

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I know the swiss ramble, I was actually thinking of using it as an example. The guy who writes that probably knows the ins and outs of football fans more than most observers. But even he would be unable to tell you how transfers are valued and organised. We simply have no idea how a) the valuation of a footballer is made b) what exactly makes up a transfer offer.

Agreed, and that is why i will assume we know what we are doing if we do decide to go for Villa. Until then i have my doubts ;)
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Marketing also could be key here, I read recently Klinsmann sold over 150,000 Spurs shirts while he was with us. I'd expect David Villa to sell similar numbers, so lets say for hypothetical purposes, Spurs shirt = £40 x 150,000 = £6 million. He'd pretty much pay most of his transfer fee in shirt sales if we could get him at around 8 million (what we are rumoured to want to pay) :cool:
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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If he scored plenty of goals over 2 seasons, or quite frankly scored goals that got us into the Champions League, that would pay the money back and then some. Seriously, you need to get out of this "sell-on value" mindset.

What if he didn't though? We can't afford to take massive financial risks like this.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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What if he didn't though? We can't afford to take massive financial risks like this.
We could pay big money for any striker, they flop, we lose money. Why's it any different with Villa? Personally I think there's a pretty strong chance he'd score goals for us, we're talking about a World Class player here, but if you dont rate him thats fair enough.
 

$hoguN

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Villa is too much of a risk surely? 31, injury prone, no real way of knowing if he will settle, I am not even sure if he is a big enough name to cause a boom in merchandise sales.

Thats not to say he wouldn't be a upgrade in the goal scoring department if he settled but surely realism says we won't bother trying to sign him.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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We could pay big money for any striker, they flop, we lose money. Why's it any different with Villa? Personally I think there's a pretty strong chance he'd score goals for us, we're talking about a World Class player here, but if you dont rate him thats fair enough.

The difference is the SELL ON fee. If you have a younger player they are easier to sell on with out losing a lot of money. If Villa flops we would have spent 10m+ in transfer fees plus massive wages and we would struggle to get our money back for him due to his age. Our club can't take risks like this.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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The difference is the SELL ON fee. If you have a younger player they are easier to sell on with out losing a lot of money. If Villa flops we would have spent 10m+ in transfer fees plus massive wages and we would struggle to get our money back for him due to his age. Our club can't take risks like this.
Bentley was fairly young when we signed him, he flopped, we gonna get most of our money back?
 
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