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Dawson - Joins Hull

michaelden

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That's ok mate. Personally I think Rio was a better defender in his prime than Vidic, and the Britishness aspect was about having a 'local' link to the team and the fans, someone who the fans can relate to, who they can sing songs about being England's number 1 etc - it's that link that the English (or British) CB gives a club, IMO, at least. Certainly doesn't make them better, I just think if you can have a top English CB in your team (and I meant top, not Dawson, but Rio, Terry, King, Adams, Bruce etc), you've got an inherent advantage, especially if you're looking for a leader.

It's all opinions I guess. I like Vidic cos he was a robust, yet cultured defender. I haven't really rated Rio, ever. And in the WC when he partnered Sol I was surprised he was voted the better CB than Sol. So I think I might have a blind spot to his good points.

My ideal defender is somewhere b/n Cannavaro & Chiellini, a Maldini/ King type. Fast, strong, good on the ball, great reading of the game and has few last ditch tackles as never lets it get that far. Probably why I'm no Dawson fan, too many lunging last ditch tackles.

Any CB that has come up through the ranks would qualify as local-lad type and give you that strength from the back. I'm hoping Milos Vejikivictickictaxhiomvkerscbtic might be that character. He has impressed on the few times I've seen him and in a lot of the youth match reports.
 

TheUltimateHotspur

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why is Dawson hanging around you would think he would want to play as much as possible... is it money?

He wants his testimonial with us. We slag players off for not showing loyalty yet when a players does it's the wrong thing to do?

IMO he deserves the testimonial.

Sadly so many can't see why he does.
 

Sweech

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That's ok mate. Personally I think Rio was a better defender in his prime than Vidic, and the Britishness aspect was about having a 'local' link to the team and the fans, someone who the fans can relate to, who they can sing songs about being England's number 1 etc - it's that link that the English (or British) CB gives a club, IMO, at least. Certainly doesn't make them better, I just think if you can have a top English CB in your team (and I meant top, not Dawson, but Rio, Terry, King, Adams, Bruce etc), you've got an inherent advantage, especially if you're looking for a leader.
What Idon't understand is why it being a CB is so important? I would imagine a midfielder would be more so. I still don't agree with the idea though, I really don't think it's that important.

The same idea is bandied around in all sports. I'm from Canada and our main sport is hockey and it's a growing sport in many areas, my favourite team is in Canada (the Winnipeg Jets) and we just had our draft, but only selected one Canadian (in order we selected, a Dane, a American, a American, a Canadian, a American, a Russian, and a American) now some fans were upset because they wanted more Canadians, but I vehemently disagree. You want the best players. Your captains and best leaders aren't even hometown boys half the time and I don't find I connect better with a hometown guy because he's a hometown guy. I just connect with guys that I like better, because I like them better.
 

michaelden

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What Idon't understand is why it being a CB is so important? I would imagine a midfielder would be more so. I still don't agree with the idea though, I really don't think it's that important.

The same idea is bandied around in all sports. I'm from Canada and our main sport is hockey and it's a growing sport in many areas, my favourite team is in Canada (the Winnipeg Jets) and we just had our draft, but only selected one Canadian (in order we selected, a Dane, a American, a American, a Canadian, a American, a Russian, and a American) now some fans were upset because they wanted more Canadians, but I vehemently disagree. You want the best players. Your captains and best leaders aren't even hometown boys half the time and I don't find I connect better with a hometown guy because he's a hometown guy. I just connect with guys that I like better, because I like them better.

My mate Rob is Can-naar-dee-an from Vancouver and is a big Canuck fan... and loves to shout out in movies, "That's filmed in Vancouver! I've been there." Annoying as that is, he's pretty fly for a Canuck. I'm more a Sharks fan and I think the best Captain is respected & tactically aware
 

crokey

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He wants his testimonial with us. We slag players off for not showing loyalty yet when a players does it's the wrong thing to do?

IMO he deserves the testimonial.

Sadly so many can't see why he does.

Hear hear!

Fans are 100 times more fickle than players
 

SpurSince57

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A little nieve I think considering it has been suggested he is entitled to a testimonial next year and requested a 4 year contract at Hull... Money is obviously an issue..

He is no longer good enough to play for us, he seems a nice enough fella but should move on now for the good of the team. We need a rock in defense and he is not it. For footballing reasons he should go!!

Many people need to move familys for work, I am sure he will be well looked after.

If Dawson isn't, neither is Kaboul, who was far, far worse than Dawson last season.

EDIT: We had 13 clean sheets when Dawson was playing, one when Kaboul was. Kaboul's pass accuracy was 72%, Dawson's 81.5%. Dawson won 72% of tackles (not great), Kaboul 67% (pisspoor, worse than Lennon). Kaboul's pace used to cover up for his suspect positioning and somewhat dyslexic reading of the game; now it's gone, he gets found out repeatedly.
 
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Sweech

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If Dawson isn't, neither is Kaboul, who was far, far worse than Dawson last season.

EDIT: We had 13 clean sheets when Dawson was playing, one when Kaboul was. Kaboul's pass accuracy was 72%, Dawson's 81.5%. Dawson won 72% of tackles (not great), Kaboul 67% (pisspoor, worse than Lennon). Kaboul's pace used to cover up for his suspect positioning and somewhat dyslexic reading of the game; now it's gone, he gets found out repeatedly.
Except one was clawing back to fitness and the other was not.

You're essentially comparing Dawson's ceiling with Kaboul's floor as players.
 

SpurSince57

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Except one was clawing back to fitness and the other was not.

You're essentially comparing Dawson's ceiling with Kaboul's floor as players.

Possibly I am, but you disagreed with my statement that Kaboul was far worse than Dawson last season, and I really shouldn't have had to wheel out statistics to support my view. You're also—along with many others—making the assumption that Kaboul will make a full recovery and be the player he was for one season in 2011-12. I don't think you've been a member long enough to be able to recall that a substantial number of members thought Harry had lost the plot when he brought Kaboul back from Pompey.
 

Barry Mead

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Except one was clawing back to fitness and the other was not.

You're essentially comparing Dawson's ceiling with Kaboul's floor as players.

Two years since his injury, the big question is at what point does clawing your way back to fitness cease to be a reasonable possibility? Sadly what we have been seeing may be his ceiling now, I hope not because I like Kaboul, think at his best he was a very good CB and a popular team member and one who showed the kind of character that is generally in short supply in the team
 

danielneeds

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Two years since his injury, the big question is at what point does clawing your way back to fitness cease to be a reasonable possibility? Sadly what we have been seeing may be his ceiling now, I hope not because I like Kaboul, think at his best he was a very good CB and a popular team member and one who showed the kind of character that is generally in short supply in the team
I don't know how the injury has affected him, but he was playing brain dead last season, like his bad old self before Portsmouth, no concentration, no responsibility - him and Dawson were a nightmare, tbh.
 

TheUltimateHotspur

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Two years since his injury, the big question is at what point does clawing your way back to fitness cease to be a reasonable possibility? Sadly what we have been seeing may be his ceiling now, I hope not because I like Kaboul, think at his best he was a very good CB and a popular team member and one who showed the kind of character that is generally in short supply in the team

Last season Kaboul was seen high fiving the opposite team when we were getting hammered. He was seen being all chummy and matey with the other teams whilst we were getting beat. He was to busy doing his shoe laces in front of our keeper costing us a goal.

To top it off he can't concentrate for more than a minute, is very injury prone.

SELL SELL SELL
 

Barry Mead

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Last season Kaboul was seen high fiving the opposite team when we were getting hammered. He was seen being all chummy and matey with the other teams whilst we were getting beat. He was to busy doing his shoe laces in front of our keeper costing us a goal.

To top it off he can't concentrate for more than a minute, is very injury prone.

SELL SELL SELL

Fair points, but I imagine after his injury problems he was just happy to be back playing last season. I imagine when you've been sidelined by injury for over a year actually playing even in a 5 or 6 goal defeat is far better than not playing at all and worrying if you ever will again
 

Bus-Conductor

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He wants his testimonial with us. We slag players off for not showing loyalty yet when a players does it's the wrong thing to do?

IMO he deserves the testimonial.

Sadly so many can't see why he does.


He's showing loyalty to his massive testimonial payoff. I can see why, being paid about 2-3m a year for the last 9 years has been a struggle.
 

Dinghy

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He's showing loyalty to his massive testimonial payoff. I can see why, being paid about 2-3m a year for the last 9 years has been a struggle.
I call typical anti-Dawson bullshit here... Most top-level players that get a testimonial donate all proceeds to a charity and I can not see Dawson being any different.
 

Shea

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As long as I don't see him in the first team next year unless its europa games against weak teams or due to a major injury crisis I am happy to keep him at the club for his love of the club and personality which I would hope could be a stabilizing factor to help all the new players settle and love the club as opposed to just being employed by us

I really don't ever want to see a CB pairing of Fryers and Dawson in a competitive match again - especially not in front of Big Brad

We need a new first team star CB player no doubt but I am not as adamant Dawson has to be the one to go - though I wouldn't be opposed to his leaving with injury records taken in to account Kaboul is an equally viable option to make way
 

spurs9

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Two years since his injury, the big question is at what point does clawing your way back to fitness cease to be a reasonable possibility? Sadly what we have been seeing may be his ceiling now, I hope not because I like Kaboul, think at his best he was a very good CB and a popular team member and one who showed the kind of character that is generally in short supply in the team
According to someone with contacts at the club (can't remember if it was Stobart, JJ or Gards) said Kaboul only stopped feeling "Ledley like" pain in his knee in May, so it's possible this could be the start of him regaining his strength in his knee, mobility, pace and fitness.
 

SpurSince57

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I don't know how the injury has affected him, but he was playing brain dead last season, like his bad old self before Portsmouth, no concentration, no responsibility - him and Dawson were a nightmare, tbh.

So was Vertonghen, for a good deal of the time.
 
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