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CowInAComa

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I never saw the title winning Spurs sides. I've only ever know midtable, occasional cup run Tottenham teams with the occasional star player to be proud of. And never expected more.

I never expected to see a Spurs side challenge for the title, the year we got top 4 I thought we be as good as it ever got.

The last 2-3 years have been the best seasons ive ever known. I've seen us smash Real Madrid, I've seen us on the back pages of sports pages across Europe, we've surpassed arsenal, smashed Chelsea at theirs. And have the best new stadium in europe due for completion. With a brewery no less. Players and manager the envy of every team in the world.

This is better than I ever ever expected being the only Spurs fan growing up in my area surrounded by Chelsea and arsenal friends and family..

What a time for people to be throwing the towel in. Fuck you all, I'm still living the dream.
 

Kempus

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I'm not an advocate of Poch leaving by any means. However, if he decided to leave of his own accord, we could realistically attract almost any manager in the world. What could an Ancelotti or Simeone achieve with us? Less or more? Probably impossible to even speculate on.
 

dimiSpur

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On the controversial side for some, but why do we think we're entitled to silverware?

I'm 28 next month. I'm rather close to the average aged Spurs fan I'd say. I've never seen us win the FA Cup. I can remember the first League Cup victory of my lifetime, in 1999, vaguely, and I remember of course the 2008 Carling Cup triumph. That's it.

So why on earth do I, or anyone else in my age ball-park, have the right to be disappointed with Poch or this team? None whatsoever. In my lifetime we've been utterly hopeless. The laughing stock, on many occasion, of the Premier League. Since Poch has taken over, I've seen us challenge for the Premier League and cement our position in the top four. For about a decade or so, all we've ever harped on about is being champions league regulars and that bloody top four. We became obsessed by achieving it regularly. Now we are doing exactly that (bar any collapses this season).

So what is everyone's problem? Poch isn't the one who's failed to deliver a trophy since 2008. He isn't the one who's lost 8 semi-finals in a row. He isn't the one who hasn't won the League since 1961. Poch has lost two semis. One final. That's what he should be "accountable" for. Not for the Club's past failings.

This sense of entitlement is rather baffling. Yes, all football fans think their club is the best in the world, but I have some rather surprising news for everyone: we're not! We are consistently the only side to feature in the top four in the new "top six" era (all other sides have been out of the top four at some stage in the last 3 years) and we are the club spending the least money whilst building a new stadium. We are also way ahead of the "schedule" set by Levy and Pochettino himself.

So those of you even thinking about criticising Poch, just think about how firstly, it is down to Pochettino that we are even close to competing for prizes and secondly, think about how ridiculous your expectations are. We are not Man Utd, we are not Liverpool, we are not even Chelsea (who have had success in recent years). I can understand the fans of those clubs demanding more immediate success. What right do we have though? None!

Historically, we are not winners. We may have had some glorious wins in the 60s and 80s and I, like many my age, may have been taught about the legends of the Lane in years gone by, and believed that we are a massive club (and I believe we are a rather big club in relative terms) but the truth is that for a fan like myself, who represents a large chunk of our fanbase age-wise, this is the best Tottenham side I've ever seen. So to be disappointed or demand things or even more ludicrously, question the manager, is quite absurd and utterly shameful in my opinion.

So all in on Poch is my answer.
 

danielneeds

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It's something you often see more in American sports, a team from a proud city, like Philadelphia or Pittsburgh, who just can't shake a trophyless monkey off their back. And then the team can feel the the pressure and hopes and dreams of the city resting on it's shoulders at key moments.

I think that's pretty much what happened after the 2nd United goal on Saturday. This team wants it so very much, to end the naysayers, to deliver that trophy, to prove to themselves they are not chokers, that it all just felt too heavy, when it started to go wrong. Sometimes you can want something too much, when just relaxing, and being yourself, will get better results.

In the end, if we keep getting to the big matches consistently, like we have been doing, something will go for us. The other team will have an off day, a red card, a shot like Dier's will deflect in, rather than off the post, and kill the other side's belief. In short, we'll fall over the line. We've just got to keep putting ourselves in that position, to be prepared to experience the failure, in order to gain the success.
 
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JimmyG2

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Poch in!
For as long as he wants it while progress is being made.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Alex F took 5 years to win his first trophy.
Don't get off the train at a wayside station.
Pochettino rules OK!
 

onthetwo

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We tend to forget Poch is a relatively young coach and is still learning.

Even thou I am disappointed with his performance yesterday, I am still fully behind him. I just felt he has to take responsibility when the team doesn't perform as a whole.

Sometimes u get things wrong.

He seems really good in league matches. And cup games I think he still has a wrap his head around. Especially winning away at lower league opposition and playing on crappy pitches.

Think he will grow and improve along with the team. League performances is always a more important foundation for other things.
great post. 'Utter madness' is the phrase that springs to mind when some suggest hes taken us as far as he can.
 

onthetwo

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Poch in!
For as long as he wants it while progress is being made.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Alex F took 5 years to win his first trophy.
Don't get off the train at a wayside station.
Pochettino rules OK!
i can report (thanks to my ManU supporting father) that the first 5 years of Fergie were utter shite to watch too.....so at least we're being entertained while we wait for our first trophy in a while.
 

zepstar

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Pochettino is the best thing to happen to this football club in decades. The football we are playing at the moment, is the best I have seen in my lifetime. The squad, the most unified I can remember. The chairman, for all his faults (and yes, we all have them) has facilitated a state of the art training ground and player accommodation, a new 62,000 seat, state of the art, multi-use (and therefore, multi income generating) stadium and who will probably be remembered as one of the seminal figures in the wider rejuvenation and prosperity of the Tottenham/N17/N22 area.

When I saw money flooding into Man City, I felt sorry for them. In the years since, their fan base has changed. The noise is different. They won the title at a canter this season. So why does it look and feel so hollow?

I wanted a young and ambitious manager to enter into a professional partnership with the chairman to create, from the ground up, a lasting legacy on the pitch and in our infrastructure. That's what we've got. The fans need to realise how lucky they are. We will get to the top of the pile, eventually. It is going to happen. And won't you be glad and safe in the knowledge that you threw everything behind the manager and the chairman when things were a little bit tough. To answer your question:

Yes
No
 

Archibald&Crooks

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This'll probably get up a few noses and I'm not sure this will meet @Everlasting Seconds allowed criteria :D but look at it this way. If we suddenly became Spurs circa mid-late 90's early 2000's again, you'd be gagging for us going back to how it is now. You'd want it like a dog in heat wants her sausage.

Itsa not so bad
Its nice-a place
Ah shuddupa yaface

So, Like the BsSoDL are fond of saying when their dad gets criticised.......

Be careful what you wish for
The grass isn't always greener
Beware the bogeyman
Daddy! Daddy! There's nasty stuff about you on SC again!*

*Threw that in just to be that teeny bit more annoying
 

Everlasting Seconds

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This'll probably get up a few noses and I'm not sure this will meet @Everlasting Seconds allowed criteria :D but look at it this way. If we suddenly became Spurs circa mid-late 90's early 2000's again, you'd be gagging for us going back to how it is now. You'd want it like a dog in heat wants her sausage.

Itsa not so bad
Its nice-a place
Ah shuddupa yaface

So, Like the BsSoDL are fond of saying when their dad gets criticised.......

Be careful what you wish for
The grass isn't always greener
Beware the bogeyman
Daddy! Daddy! There's nasty stuff about you on SC again!*

*Threw that in just to be that teeny bit more annoying
I've sat with this and given it a lot of thought, and I think you managed to stay within the (quite reasonable) criteria for accepted postings.
This post managed the incredible balance of both being on topic and actually carry a grain of a sensible rationale to it. :wideyed:
 
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I've sat with this and given it a lot of thought, and I think you managed to stay within the (quite reasonable) criteria for accepted postings.
This post managed the incredible balance of both being on topic and actually carry a grain of a sensible rationale to it. :wideyed:
Admit it, it was the Joe Dolce that swung it for you, wasn't it?
 

Klinsmannesque

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I think there is a naivety to Poch and his in-game management when it comes to the big crunch games, but he has definitely earnt the time to get that experience with us. He needs backing though, no more 1 step back in the hope of 2 steps forward, that can only take you so far. If we carry that on into the new stadium the players won't be happy and neither will the fans, paying the highest prices in the league.

I think we've found our peak in regards to our current recruitment policy, we do now need that extra to get us over the line. If we do then maybe we can hold onto citys tails next year and mount challenge. If not then we have no chance.
 

TaoistMonkey

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The media's obsession to unsettle us is tiresome.

The FA also having a dig at Kane. THE FUCKING FA. :bored:
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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I think there is a naivety to Poch and his in-game management when it comes to the big crunch games, but he has definitely earnt the time to get that experience with us. He needs backing though, no more 1 step back in the hope of 2 steps forward, that can only take you so far. If we carry that on into the new stadium the players won't be happy and neither will the fans, paying the highest prices in the league.

I think we've found our peak in regards to our current recruitment policy, we do now need that extra to get us over the line. If we do then maybe we can hold onto citys tails next year and mount challenge. If not then we have no chance.
Poch is clearly doing things right tho we are getting to semi finals, finals knock out stages in the CL challenging for the EPL our number are going up in terms of stats, theirs no doubt he's the best thing to of happened. The core of our squad is still young it's just very small details to get across those lines, Poch is an intelligent man i am sure he'll work it out given time and now a bit more backing in the transfer window . My hope is Poch isn't pushed, we have a terrible habit of shooting ourself in the foot in the past.
 

Klinsmannesque

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Poch is clearly doing things right tho we are getting to semi finals, finals knock out stages in the CL challenging for the EPL our number are going up in terms of stats, theirs no doubt he's the best thing to of happened. The core of our squad is still young it's just very small details to get across those lines, Poch is an intelligent man i am sure he'll work it out given time and now a bit more backing in the transfer window . My hope is Poch isn't pushed, we have a terrible habit of shooting ourself in the foot in the past.
He's doing things right (very right) but only up to a point. Is that becasue he's taken the players as far as they can go? Is it becasue we still lack that final piece or two? As I say, I believe he's the right man for the job, but he needs to be backed this summer, he has more than earnt it. All other managers get buckets of cash so it is comparing apples with oranges until he gets his fair share spent in the market. Then if we only get to semi finals and runners up there is a conversation to be had about whether he is the right man for the job to push us over that edge.
 
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