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Dejan Lovren the latest to jump the sinking Southampton ship to join Liverpool

Shadydan

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Interesting that pissing £100m up a wall is known as 'doing a Spurs'...please remind everyone what happened the last time Liverpool had £100m to spend?
 

Monkey boy

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http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/07/liverpool-going-spurs-arent/



This sums up why I'm confident we "won't do a Spurs". Its not about the 'names', its about the player who the Manager knows will fit his why of playing the best. Lovren, in-particular after researching him a lot nd watching his games, will be brilliant for us next season.

Also, how can you know Capoue is better than Can? I bet you haven't seen much of him and he hasn't played enough yet to come to that conclusion. Capoue hasn't played enough either for you imo to know what his true ability is yet.

As usual seems a lot of tribalistic wishful thinking trying to make yourself feel better about your wasting of cash this time last year. Thats just MY opinion though.

I remember the last time you were so cock sure about something, how'd that work out for you billy? How is Saurez daughter getting on at school by the way?
 

Flobadob

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http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/07/liverpool-going-spurs-arent/



This sums up why I'm confident we "won't do a Spurs". Its not about the 'names', its about the player who the Manager knows will fit his why of playing the best. Lovren, in-particular after researching him a lot nd watching his games, will be brilliant for us next season.

Also, how can you know Capoue is better than Can? I bet you haven't seen much of him and he hasn't played enough yet to come to that conclusion. Capoue hasn't played enough either for you imo to know what his true ability is yet.

As usual seems a lot of tribalistic wishful thinking trying to make yourself feel better about your wasting of cash this time last year. Thats just MY opinion though.
You've signed a load of average players for way too much money though? Most of the players bought last summer suit Pochetinno's philosophy, you don't honestly think the top clubs go out and buy 'names' just for the sake of it do you? We have a DOF to ensure we buy the right players and recruit the right manager to maintain continuity. You should have a spare 20m in your pocket if you paid what those players are actually worth, even in the current market. People seem to be basing their idea of the 'current market' on complete exceptions like Shaw and David Luiz. There's a reason the players you have signed aren't 'names'.. Because they are bang average. I also think you may have struggled to attract your number 1 targets (Shaqiri, Reus etc) and had to settle for players like Markovic and Remy instead. Liverpool needed 'sure things' this summer to replace Suarez's impact last season and you have failed miserably and bought a load of players at over-inflated prices that you are hoping will come good. Remy and Lallana are 1 season wonders as far as you know. I wouldn't even call Lovren a 1 season wonder because I personally don't rate him but that's just my opinion. Markovic has potential but has very bad end product and I can't comment on Can as I haven't seen enough of him and I very much doubt you have either other than ITV4 highlights and youtube clips. Even in the current market the only decent deal you got is Lambert IMO
 

Mr Pink

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Fair enough point re Can and Capoue. I also think that in the main Rogers' has signed players with PL experience, besides which the core of the team is already strong and less reliant on Suarez's brilliance than we were on Bale's; this is down to the coaching as much as anything afaic. I'd also add that we can't expect miracles from Pochettino in his first season, his kind of coaching, like Rogers', can take a while to embed itself; I think Rogers' first season showed this, albeit we're not coming from as far back as Liverpool were forced to.

I do think however, it remains to be seen whether we wasted money last year, I think we've a massive amount of quality in the squad and I'm optimistic that Pochettino will find the way to unlock it, at which point it will not look like wasted money at all!

Whilst it would be unreasonable to expect immediate success under Pochettino its worth remembering that his coaching methods had a quick impact at Southampton, it was evident very early on.
 

WiganSpur

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I don't think we can really tell how their signings will fare.

To me, currently, a lot of the players they have signed are good, but not great players. (Lallana, Remy, Lovren etc)

It really remains to be seen whether Rodgers can bring them on another level or not. If he can't then that's when you may be in trouble because their current ability is no where near the level of Suarez's in this moment.

It'll be extremely interesting to see how Liverpool will get on, with the probable rise of Man Utd and the possible rise of ourselves. I think 4th would be a great achievement for them next year but I don't think Liverpool fans will see it that way.
 

WiganSpur

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As for Lovren, I don't see him as that much of an upgrade on Agger, Skrtel & Sakho, but I'm not a Scouser so perhaps my opinion is a little unqualified. I think Liverpool's defensive problems are more down to Rodgers' expansive style of play and the fact he uses a past-it Gerrard as a DM. Personally I don't think Lovren will solve much for them, especially for £20m or whatever the fee is. They should have tried for William Carvalho, or any other quality DM imo.
 

sloth

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Whilst it would be unreasonable to expect immediate success under Pochettino its worth remembering that his coaching methods had a quick impact at Southampton, it was evident very early on.

Yes, well we've seen some of it already in the last friendly, however if it was as simple as a couple of weeks training and then the team works then great coaches wouldn't be in such short supply! Think about in any other field of endeavour, maybe one you've attempted, it always takes time to learn. I'm optimistic we'll see some improvement immediately, and that's in part because his system won't be a million miles from what some of these players have been used to before, but I'm far more optimistic that after a season or so we'll really start to see us play!
 

sunnydelight786

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Unbelievable we have a LFC fan, who supposedly must have a hotline to Henry, Ayre and Rodgers the way he goes on about LFC transfers/targets, telling us they won't do a Spurs. What is exactly a Spurs as I was under the impression you grief junkies were the one who set the bar by spunking £35m on Carrol, £20m on Downing, £10m on Adam, etc. You don't half chat some :poop: on here.

First good league season in years and all of them glory hunters crawl out of the woodwork again. Enjoy your moment in the sun as I'm far from convinced this is the start of a new dawn for your club.....
 

Mr Pink

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Yes, well we've seen some of it already in the last friendly, however if it was a simple as a couple of weeks training and then the team works then great coaches wouldn't be in such short supply! Think about in any other field of endeavour, maybe one you've attempted, it always takes time to learn. I'm optimistic we'll see some improvement immediately, and that's in part because his system won't be a million miles from what some of these players have been used to before, but I'm far more optimistic that after a season or so we'll really start to see us play!

Well yeah, the more time he has the more improvement we'd expect to see.

Just meant that Southampton actually adapted to his style relatively quickly.
 

dontcallme

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I think Lovren is a good player and both Liverpool and Spurs would be better off for having him. In this case it seems he'll be going to Liverpool.

I don't agree that we wasted the money last season. We bought high quality players with the view of them being at Spurs for a good few years. Them not clicking straight-away does not make them all duds. If the club viewed them as duds we'd surely have entertained bids for them this summer.

Whether the new players Liverpool have bought have Prem experience or not it is going to be difficult for them to get it together straight away. So many new players and personalities at a club can bring a big shift in the atmosphere at a club.

However good the new players are it's always hard to replace a player who performs as well as Bale and Suarez did in their last season in the Prem.

Rodgers has met the challenges at Liverpool well so far. I'm very interested to see how he handles this new challenge.
 

bsinghd

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http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/07/liverpool-going-spurs-arent/



This sums up why I'm confident we "won't do a Spurs". Its not about the 'names', its about the player who the Manager knows will fit his why of playing the best. Lovren, in-particular after researching him a lot nd watching his games, will be brilliant for us next season.

Also, how can you know Capoue is better than Can? I bet you haven't seen much of him and he hasn't played enough yet to come to that conclusion. Capoue hasn't played enough either for you imo to know what his true ability is yet.

As usual seems a lot of tribalistic wishful thinking trying to make yourself feel better about your wasting of cash this time last year. Thats just MY opinion though.

Research on Lovren = watched YouTube videos; seen enough of Emre Can to see he's nothing special and no better than Shelvey. Lallana overpriced by £15m and Lovren is not worth £20m but compared to spending £35m on Andy Carroll it doesn't seem too bad.
 

SFCS

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http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/07/liverpool-going-spurs-arent/



This sums up why I'm confident we "won't do a Spurs". Its not about the 'names', its about the player who the Manager knows will fit his why of playing the best. Lovren, in-particular after researching him a lot nd watching his games, will be brilliant for us next season.

Also, how can you know Capoue is better than Can? I bet you haven't seen much of him and he hasn't played enough yet to come to that conclusion. Capoue hasn't played enough either for you imo to know what his true ability is yet.

As usual seems a lot of tribalistic wishful thinking trying to make yourself feel better about your wasting of cash this time last year. Thats just MY opinion though.

Christ, that article is only just short of suggesting Liverpool won't "do a Spurs" because we wear different colour kits.

Things are a lot more complicated than the parrallels(or lack of) that the article tries to create. Maybe you'll do fine without Suarez and maybe you won't, the whole point of the "doing a Spurs" talk is that it's a cautionary note that things are never as easy as they seem. The trouble is that you're trying to replace one exceptional person on the pitch. Yes you're adding depth but you needed to add that anyway and there is one position on the pitch that has been vacated by an exceptional player who took years to have the influence he had on the team. Scousers acting like signing a few players with PL experience who are wanted by the manager have very short memories. Dalglish did just that with the Torres money and whilst it worked out well in the long run it failed spectacularly in the short run. That's why replacing a star that has raised his game for the club over several years is very tough to replace immediately no matter how it's done.

Believe what you want but piss off with shit like this: "As usual seems a lot of tribalistic wishful thinking trying to make yourself feel better about your wasting of cash this time last year". If we wanted to read Scousers getting carried away about finishing above us for one season we'd go on one of your boards. As you've come here to have conversations with Spurs fans at least have the good grace not to be a dick :)
 
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SpurSince57

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http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2014/07/liverpool-going-spurs-arent/



This sums up why I'm confident we "won't do a Spurs". Its not about the 'names', its about the player who the Manager knows will fit his why of playing the best. Lovren, in-particular after researching him a lot nd watching his games, will be brilliant for us next season.

Also, how can you know Capoue is better than Can? I bet you haven't seen much of him and he hasn't played enough yet to come to that conclusion. Capoue hasn't played enough either for you imo to know what his true ability is yet.

As usual seems a lot of tribalistic wishful thinking trying to make yourself feel better about your wasting of cash this time last year. Thats just MY opinion though.

Well, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating, I guess. I don't suppose you'll need too much reminding of our old friend Damo's brilliant signings for you!

The fact is, your defence was as bad as ours last season; it didn't matter, as Fangs was banging in a ridiculous number of goals and providing quite a few as well. What will you do without him? As well as we did without Bale? (And the reality was, we didn't do too much worse without Bale.)
 

Sweech

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Even though they performed well in the time that Suarez was out you're still playing without a guy that contributed to something like 75% of the goals you scored. If you really think you can just march on after losing someone like that you've got another thing coming.

Liverpool aren't some club who have been perennially in the top 4 year after year and lose players and shrug it off like the Arse can. You just lost your best player by a huge margin and you've added nowhere near the level of talent that you just lost.

Not only that, but now you have to face the rigors of playing in continental competitions as well.
 

allatsea

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Liverpool have strengthen their first team squad but it really needed it with so many more matches to play. Suarez has not been replaced and that will matter when they play their games against the best teams.
 

sim0n

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Lovren was a red card waiting to happen when at Lyon... and 20 mil way too expensive. Much ado about nothing, let the bin dippers have him. :pompous:

"But the perception of him did not really change even as he became a regular at the heart of Lyon's defence. And referees evidently took a dim view of his tackling: seven red cards in three years even led him to doubt himself. "I was thinking: 'Oh my God, what am I doing?'"
 

southlondonyiddo

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For me Liverpools continued success will depend on Sturridge and Sterling

Will they continue to improve or even stay at the same fantastic level as last season or will they level off or even drop in performance levels now their World Class attacking partner has departed.

How hungry will these young multi millionaires be again this season. Time will indeed tell....
 
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