Dele Alli - Player watch
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heelspurs
Le filet mignon est un bastion de rosbif
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For your information I only 'cry' during Rom-Coms. They're just so life-affirming.
I challenge you to show full contextual evidence or it didn't happen/doesn't exist. Replying to someone in-kind should not suffer such a reproach.
In other matters, it is quite 'brave' of you to call out my "ridicule [of] other posters[sic] intelligence" in a statement that shows a complete lack of understanding and misapplication of the term bias. And finally, I would not say that I "attempted to ridicule". IMHO had 'attempts' been made, neither confirming nor denying said attempts, surely they were quite successful.
And if you look up, a poster gave a very reasonable and cogent explanation for what might be ailing Dele to which I not only 'agree-rated' but replied with my agreement. Still don't feel that it fully explains the problem as it existed even during Wanyama's inclusion in the side and has done since Dele has been with us. But I do believe, and it is totally reasonable, that it may have an aggravating/exacerbating effect. This poster's explanation wasn't mental gymnastics in a effort to blindly defend a footballing hero. They first acknowledged the problem then looked for explanations not excuses. You would do well to do the same instead of foolishly accusing others of 'bias' - especially as your understanding of that term is tenuous at best.
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Can you do me a favor and go back to the blindly defending/denying the existence of a touch problem. I'm more comfortable displaying my 'bias' rather than being even-handed and objective. 
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heelspurs
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I'm not upset Shady. I'm totally good albeit a little apprehensive of tonight's game.
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If he wants to be an attacking midfielder he needs to start getting his head on a swivel and knowing what and who's around him before receiving the ball.
Whether you like it or not; his 1st touch is absolutely the issue and it isn't good enough, currently, for the position he wants to play. It does slow down out attacking play, it does lose us possession too much at key times. Ironically, it's when he wants to be conservative and hold the ball up that he tends to lose the ball. When he's more dynamic and aggressive with that 1st touch he often makes things happen just like Madrid @ Wembley.
For me, he needs to run into more positions behind defenders off the ball and allow players like Eriksen, Winks and Dembele dictate the play more often. Because when he DOES make those runs, he more often than not hurts the opposition and creates those fantastic stats which are propping up his starting place currently.
Whether you like it or not; his 1st touch is absolutely the issue and it isn't good enough, currently, for the position he wants to play. It does slow down out attacking play, it does lose us possession too much at key times. Ironically, it's when he wants to be conservative and hold the ball up that he tends to lose the ball. When he's more dynamic and aggressive with that 1st touch he often makes things happen just like Madrid @ Wembley.
For me, he needs to run into more positions behind defenders off the ball and allow players like Eriksen, Winks and Dembele dictate the play more often. Because when he DOES make those runs, he more often than not hurts the opposition and creates those fantastic stats which are propping up his starting place currently.
heelspurs
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Stats were quoted earlier in the thread. If you hadn't jumped into a convo mid-stream you would know that and wouldn't be coming off so half-cocked.
See how I controlled myself there @Streetspur77 ? No ridicule whatsoever even though the portion size for feeding was immense. Hold it, does that count as ridicule? Hope not lest that leave me completely confused.
Nebby
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I bet they don't support your claim about Dele often needing 3 or 4 touches to get the ball under control.
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There's some high quality trolling going on in here and this is the second time I've had to ask for it to stop.
There won't be a third. Much like Dele, I'll lose my control.
There won't be a third. Much like Dele, I'll lose my control.
heelspurs
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This post is so good I don't know what to do with myself. You say "head on a swivel" and I have heard that but was also taught to "take a picture" which is the same thing. Look at any good/real MF and you will see that head flick before receiving the ball. Furthermore you will see good defensive players take advantage of this by gaming a player's peek and bouncing to the other side to dispossess them. Think of Wanyama beasting Fernandinho in our game at the lane last year. Dinho did what he was supposed to do but Vic showed he was going high but came low to get the ball. The better your first touch the later you can take a picture. Dele can't do it because he can't rely on his first touch.
Felt similarly except the explanation I've come to has no irony. When Winks served him that ball deep in our half against RM I shit a brick as he would have been very high on my list of people not to give the ball in that situation. Turns out his first touch was not good it was sublime...with his left foot and a short-hopped ball. IMO what makes it consistent with your first point and therefore not ironic is that he knew he had loads of time and space as they were packed in our box and Ramos was miles off him. It seems his decision was made to turn and run with it no matter what - which leads to your next point.
Preach!
heelspurs
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As much as I would like to respond to your point, I cannot. This is the third time you've replied to me with the same thing and that's usually my threshold. However, @Archibald&Crooks has spoken and I can only assume he is including me in his statement (as to why I am not necessarily sure). As much as I enjoy this game of wack-a-mole, and have ample ammunition with which keep it going, I will abide the wishes of my fecally incontinent lord and master.
LexingtonSpurs
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heelspurs
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Streetspur77
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For your information I only 'cry' during Rom-Coms. They're just so life-affirming.
I challenge you to show full contextual evidence or it didn't happen/doesn't exist. Replying to someone in-kind should not suffer such a reproach.
In other matters, it is quite 'brave' of you to call out my "ridicule [of] other posters[sic] intelligence" in a statement that shows a complete lack of understanding and misapplication of the term bias. And finally, I would not say that I "attempted to ridicule". IMHO had 'attempts' been made, neither confirming nor denying said attempts, surely they were quite successful.
And if you look up, a poster gave a very reasonable and cogent explanation for what might be ailing Dele to which I not only 'agree-rated' but replied with my agreement. Still don't feel that it fully explains the problem as it existed even during Wanyama's inclusion in the side and has done since Dele has been with us. But I do believe, and it is totally reasonable, that it may have an aggravating/exacerbating effect. This poster's explanation wasn't mental gymnastics in a effort to blindly defend a footballing hero. They first acknowledged the problem then looked for explanations not excuses. You would do well to do the same instead of foolishly accusing others of 'bias' - especially as you understanding of that term is tenuous at best.
Edit: @Streetspur77 just noticed it was you that made the point about Wanyama.
I'm sorry heel but I think you may be confusing me with @spursfan77, I made no such point. I still very much deny that Alli can't control the ball. It does though suprise me that an intellectual such as you can be so easy confused by a double 7
heelspurs
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Indeed I did and not for the first time.I'm sorry heel but I think you may be confusing me with @spursfan77, I made no such point. I still very much deny that Alli can't control the ball. It does though suprise me that an intellectual such as you can be so easy confused by a double 7
Considering the flow of this thread you prolly should have just silently taken the win. Forgive me @spursfan77 for attributing your trenchant bit of analysis to another...
Streetspur77
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Indeed I did and not for the first time.
It's quite annoying I didn't realise when I made the account and now it doesn't seem possible to change, I could easily change the two numbers but I doesn't seem like that's possible
It's a curse we shall live with for life Mr.Spursfan77P.s I shall gain my victory tonight when Alli scores a double hat trick and gets 10 assists anyway, oh shit I forgot goals and assists don't count anymore
spursfan77
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It's quite annoying I didn't realise when I made the account and now it doesn't seem possible to change, I could easily change the two numbers but I doesn't seem like that's possible
P.s I shall gain my victory tonight when Alli scores a double hat trick and gets 10 assists anyway, oh shit I forgot goals and assists don't count anymore
If it's any use I can change my avatar to the same picture as yours?
(Although I have had it since 2008!)
IfiHadTheWings
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heelspurs
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Sooooooooooo, how'd that work out for ya?P.s I shall gain my victory tonight when Alli scores a double hat trick and gets 10 assists anyway, oh shit I forgot goals and assists don't count anymore
To be honest I didn't think he was particularly dreadful this game. At least nothing out of the ordinary.
Strikeb4ck
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He's been absolutely horrific this year and shouldn't be near the starting lineup in the form he's in.
The question is was he ever as good as he was lorded to be. Was it all just covered up by his goals as a “midfielder”. Was he even a midfielder last season. For me he was a 2nd striker. The ironic thing is Kane is called a tap in merchant. When virtually every one of dele goals was a tap in last season. Only goal I can think of that wasn’t was that curler Just outside the box. I don’t think I can ever remember him actually taking on/beating a player and scoring a goal out of nothing like say Salah sane hazard do on a regular basis or even Son. I actually looked at his MK dons highlights. Ok it’s against lesser opponents but he seemed much more dynamic. How good Actually is he? I’m really not sure. But for sure I think it’s been a case of too much too young.
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