Didier Zokora tonight

[michaelj70]

Zokora - was good
Hudd - was not good
Robbo - was hackney marshes groundsmen dogs standard
Bale - was fucking great

 

[FITZ]

so what about Robinson and Dawson for that matter?

Sorry, its was a Zokora thread...

But not sure i could put into words how bad Robbo was.

The first goal, he was already thinking about where he was going to kick it down the field before he even attempted to catch it. I will be interested to see it again.

 

[joey55]

Zokora is always good when we are pressing forward as he sits deep and uses his space to tidy up. But in general he was poor tongiht, as was Huddlestone. The Hudd cannot play with Zokora. Hudd was poor other than the goal against Boro.

When we press forward everything Zokora does is noticeable as it is in space. If he makes a tackle, or plays a pass, he's the only Spurs player around. Until we were 4-1 down I suspect anyone who thought he was good tonight, thought he was having a stinker. I'm assure you that there is no way he made more tackles or won the ball more than the Hudd, but he simply did it in a more noticeable way and in a shorter space of time (ie towards the end, when we were chasing the game and he was covering from deep). Tomorrow they will publish match stats (The Times website is excellent and will have details of tackles, balls won, passes etc), and Zokora will not have got through anymore than the Hudd. If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and prasie Zokora, but I won't be.

 

[double0]

People have to wake up...the midfield is not the problem. The problem is so clear you just have to look again at the Villa goals....poor defending without and inexperienced defender and that so called England No.1 ( how shit does he have to be to get dropped..what the hells in his contract)

 

[joey55]

Zokora and the midfield talk is the least of our problems...Robinson was a disgrace and Dawson has to be played with an experience defender.

I don't understand why Martin Jol has check mated himself with the selection politics of certain players... I said it before and i;ve say it again


Robinson will get Jol the saaaaaaack

Really beginning to think you might be right about that.

 

[AW?]

Zokora is always good when we are pressing forward as he sits deep and uses his space to tidy up. But in general he was poor tongiht, as was Huddlestone. The Hudd cannot play with Zokora. Hudd was poor other than the goal against Boro.

When we press forward everything Zokora does is noticeable as it is in space. If he makes a tackle, or plays a pass, he's the only Spurs player around. Until we were 4-1 down I suspect anyone who thought he was good tonight, thought he was having a stinker. I'm assure you that there is no way he made more tackles or won the ball more than the Hudd, but he simply did it in a more noticeable way and in a shorter space of time (ie towards the end, when we were chasing the game and he was covering from deep). Tomorrow they will publish match stats (The Times website is excellent and will have details of tackles, balls won, passes etc), and Zokora will not have got through anymore than the Hudd. If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and prasie Zokora, but I won't be.

I agree. What's all the fuss about he did nothing.

 

[DC_Boy]

I have to say the midfield is part of the problem - none of them played well tonight - and Hudd Lennon & TT put in sub-prem performances

 

[FMA]

Huddlestone was cracking in the first 20mins, spraying balls from deep & generally dictating the play from the half way line, though at 3/4-1 down he was playing like a beaten man, and that's not what you need

In fairness, the lad is 20 years of age. It's a sad state of affairs, when we're pinning all our midfield hopes on three players, under the age of 21.

 

[FMA]

People have to wake up...the midfield is not the problem. The problem is so clear you just have to look again at the Villa goals....poor defending without and inexperienced defender and that so called England No.1 ( how shit does he have to be to get dropped..what the hells in his contract)

The midfield, is one of many problems.

 

[double0]

Huddlestone gave the ball away at times but was playing against two defensive midfield villa players... The movement up front before Defoe was shit Berbatovs heart is clearly else where. The Defending was poor but not as poor as the goal keeping.

The way we celebrated the equalizer was another story...it shows the level were at tbh.

 

[joey55]

I have to say the midfield is part of the problem - none of them played well tonight - and Hudd Lennon & TT put in sub-prem performances

When was the last time Lennon put in a really good Prem performance? If teams are wise to allowing him to get 1 on1 with the full back, which every side will be thesedays, what does he really offfer? For the final third of last season all people seemed to write about him here was that he was anonymous.

 

[Kendall]

lennon needs to focus on developing his game, before he was all about quick feet and pace but now people have sussed him out, he needs work on his shooting and his crossing, although to be fair he did stick a few neat whippy crosses in tonight, whereas in the past his crosses have always been flashes across goal.

 

[dvdhopeful]

The midfield is a huge prob. The personel in the defensive is not an prob, like it is in the midfield. The defensive probs are simply organisational

 

[OllieD]

the defensive problem is not just organizational. Dawson is straight up shit. There, I said it. He's amazing at throwing his head at the ball but that's about all he is good at. He has NO FUCKING BRAIN. Case in point: towards the end when he let the ball run out for a throw-in when there was no other Spurs player near that he could take it quickly to. That, for me, made me realize how thick he is as a footballer. He is not aware enough of his surroundings.

 

[double0]

The midfield is a huge prob. The personel in the defensive is not an prob, like it is in the midfield. The defensive probs are simply organisational

I'm really surprised with some peoples views on what the problem is with the team..

People going on about the midfield are way off the mark imo.


Please look at Villas goals and you will see its not the midfield that has let us down.

The same poor midfield people are talking about helped create chances for us to equalise ( scoring 4 goals must say someting about our creative play from mid)

Personally I'm much more worried about the Goal Keeper and lack of experience in central defence.

 

[adeegee]

The thing with Zokora is, I think he'd be really great if he had someone creative and attacking alongside him. He's not a great footballer, but he can be a very useful part of the team. His job isn't to play 60 yard passes or create chances, it should be to drive the team on, get about the pitch and so on.

Sadly, we don't have a central midfielder who could form a decent partnership with him. We need someone in the Aimar/Riquelme mould, a skillful attacking midfielder who can create. I'd say Malbranque is the closest we've got to that at the moment, and I'd like to see him given a try in the centre, he's not a left winger.

 

[tippspur59]

Robinson and Dawson are the players that worry me,both seem to have lost there form bigtime.

 

[lukespurs7]

yep, zoko was class tonight best performance in a spurs shirt-keep it up my man, outshone hudd by a mile. still don't rate him though but meh he did well. as did kaboul. rest were not so great.

 

[SpurSince57]

People have to wake up...the midfield is not the problem. The problem is so clear you just have to look again at the Villa goals....poor defending without and inexperienced defender and that so called England No.1 ( how shit does he have to be to get dropped..what the hells in his contract)

It's not the problem, but it's a problem, and part of an overall problem. You seem to be the only person on SC who refuses to recognise this. Robinson made one horrendous mistake and was at fault for their third, so, about the same as James and Hahnemann on Saturday. Dawson looked poor because Kaboul left him exposed. Chimbonda was pressing upfield and failing to track back. Where the fuck was he for their third? Dawson is probably the last defender you'd want against Agbonlahor in a one-on-one, but he held him up; maybe not quite long enough for Chimbo to get back and cover the far post, but Chimbo made no effort whatsoever to do that.

Somehow we've gone from two seasons of extremely parsimonious (by Spurs standards) defending to Business As Usual. You can't nail this on one player.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Zokora is always good when we are pressing forward as he sits deep and uses his space to tidy up. But in general he was poor tongiht, as was Huddlestone. The Hudd cannot play with Zokora. Hudd was poor other than the goal against Boro.

When we press forward everything Zokora does is noticeable as it is in space. If he makes a tackle, or plays a pass, he's the only Spurs player around. Until we were 4-1 down I suspect anyone who thought he was good tonight, thought he was having a stinker. I'm assure you that there is no way he made more tackles or won the ball more than the Hudd, but he simply did it in a more noticeable way and in a shorter space of time (ie towards the end, when we were chasing the game and he was covering from deep). Tomorrow they will publish match stats (The Times website is excellent and will have details of tackles, balls won, passes etc), and Zokora will not have got through anymore than the Hudd. If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and prasie Zokora, but I won't be.

This is utter bollocks. Joey, instead of sitting at home and reading the fucking stat manual,you want to ask your mum to buy you a ticket, and come and actually watch a game.

Huddlestone was piss poor tonight. As usual you will have been more impressed by the fact that he gave the ball\away in splendid fashion whereas Zokora rarely gave the ball\away all night untill the end of the game once or maybe twice.As usual it was Zokora's fault that Hudd was shit.

If he dives around making tackles it's because it's fucking easy or because we are playing further forward, or some other bollocks. If he's not giving the ball away every pass it's because he's not attempting 50 yard fucking passes. Are there any circumstances when you would just accept the bloke played well.

Wake up for fuck sake.He is not our problem. I've been telling you for 2 years that our problem is Robinson and Dawson (not to mention Jol) and you won't fucking have it.

You'd rather blame Zokora. Even when he plays well. And when it was 1-4 those sitting round me were all saying he was our best player. Even the twats.

I was right the other day Joey you are a muppit sometimes.