Didier Zokora tonight

[Black]

Are midfield is the problem its the main problem

Lennon and Tiaino were waste again and then to take the piss Steed comes in n the last 5 minutes

I wonder why Tiaino is in the first team i dont even know why he starts, such a waste of wages. Still no Adel and were is Prince

If jol keeps playing Tiaino we will keep playing shit, why play he left mid when we have Bale

I dunno

 

[peter123]

Just got back.

Zokora was shocking going forward and passing, but great at tracking back as a last man at times. He has an amazing ability to wait long enough for all his options to disappear before turning back the way he came.


I cannot agree more. He had a good game for his relatively low standards.

Chimbonda doesn't play for the team anymore and Kaboul doesn't seem to know his responsibilities.

 

[$hoguN]

I dont think he was particularly good tbh, his passing is still diabolical yet it must be said he did get stuck in more...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Our midfield is not the main problem you ****tards.

Our fucking Goalkeeper, our brainless CB and our manager that refuses to drop both whilst drooping the most consistant defender we have in Lee. Instead of playing our really good LB behind Bale (who obviously is much better at LM) he chooses yet again to play a very average CM at LM instead and drop our most experienced defender and play two kids in the defence lead by the gormless Dawson.

Genius.

 

[JamesTheYiddo]

:dance: Do Do Do Didier Zokora :dance:



He had a good game , one of the best out there last night

 

[Real_madyidd]

Just back from sunny spurs, I must say I am amased at what some people seem to have seen. Zokora was decent tonight, especially in terms of tackling. However, as soon as he tries something a bit more inventive (a long pass or a run) he is fucked. For all those people who think he isn't a defensive mid centre, you are mental!! His gameis limited, but at least we know what he can do, tackle and short passes.

 

[adeegee]

Our midfield is not the main problem you ****tards.

Our fucking Goalkeeper, our brainless CB and our manager that refuses to drop both whilst drooping the most consistant defender we have in Lee. Instead of playing our really good LB behind Bale (who obviously is much better at LM) he chooses yet again to play a very average CM at LM instead and drop our most experienced defender and play two kids in the defence lead by the gormless Dawson.

Genius.

I see where you're coming from, but you have to admit the midfield is a huge problem.

Agreed that Robbo is a huge problem, I think Dawson is having a shocking time at the moment but it hasn't been as long term as Robinson's dreadful form.

The defence can't be blamed for everything though. Yes, it needs sorted but it isn't their fault that for example, the matches against Sunderland and Everton we barely created a chance in 180 mins, and the fact we got completely overrun by the scum. Is there any midfielder in the Spurs team who would get into any of the top 4? Maybe Lennon when he's flying, no-one else would get close. We have 4 quality strikers and if they get supplied with proper service, they should thrive on it.

 

[nidge]

I was right the other day Joey you are a muppit sometimes.

Our midfield is not the main problem you ****tards.

BC can I suggest you tone it down a bit. Yes passions will run high after a match like that but, lets not let this get out of hand.

 

[TopSpurMan]

Our midfield is not the main problem you ****tards.

Our fucking Goalkeeper, our brainless CB and our manager that refuses to drop both whilst drooping the most consistant defender we have in Lee. Instead of playing our really good LB behind Bale (who obviously is much better at LM) he chooses yet again to play a very average CM at LM instead and drop our most experienced defender and play two kids in the defence lead by the gormless Dawson.

Genius.

No you are wrong - our mid field is a problem as we often do not have one - it was better tonight though

True the bigger problem is we have no defence and what defenders we do have do not talk to one another (did you see the commedy of Kaboul and Dawson jumping against each other for the same ball?) whats more none of them have any faith in Robbo at all.

Step 1 drop Robbo
Step 2 play lee as a left back and put Bale in front of him
Step 3 play Rocha and Kaboul at centre back and chimbonda on the right

Cerny

Chimbonda Rocha kaboul Lee

Steed Zokora Tainio Bale

Keane Berba

Step 4 - Make Rocha captain and leave organising defence on field to him (oh for a neybet to teach kaboul)

Step 5 - get rid of Hughton and get a new Coaching team

 

[SpurSince57]

Our midfield is not the main problem you ****tards.

Our fucking Goalkeeper, our brainless CB and our manager that refuses to drop both whilst drooping the most consistant defender we have in Lee. Instead of playing our really good LB behind Bale (who obviously is much better at LM) he chooses yet again to play a very average CM at LM instead and drop our most experienced defender and play two kids in the defence lead by the gormless Dawson.

Genius.

Been at the sauce again, B-C?

Of course our midfield isn't the main problem; it's part of the problem. For me, Zoko had his best game since Bolton at the Lane last season, which was arguably his best game ever for us. Huddlestone was mediocre. Neither got forward to support the strikers in the box, which is the problem in playing the two together.

Dawson was left exposed because Kaboul appears to think he's an attacking CM, if not a striker. There's not too much debate as to whether Daws has a great footballing brain; he doesn't. I'm a big Lee enthusiast, and have been as long as you have, but we weren't too much threatened down the left; Tainio was pretty hopeless tonight, but has done a decent job as a stand-in LM before.

And yes, Robinson was at fault for two goals, particularly Villa's first. By my count, that makes him 100% responsible for three out of sixteen so far this season, with a half-share in Everton's first. Not great, but look at the fuck-ups some higher-rated keepers from last season have made already.

If I were not deeply inured to this kind of curate's-egg performance from Spurs I'd be chucking myself off a tall building too.

 

[gibbs131]

Zok was great. Lennon looked rusty at times/lacked spark which is understandable. Hud was disappointing. Good news in that he has lost weight so hopefully he will get a little more pace to his game.

The defense were not that bad in open play (Daws did get embarrassed but you may as well have an empty net behind him with Robbo there...but he is still our best center back next to King and kaboul.

Robbo lost it for us. Plain and simple. Plus defending set plays looked as awful as ever. Looks like we need new coaches to help Jol. Admit it. I was right. Hughton and Seggers never help us and god only knows what they are teaching our young squad.

When we were 4-1 down, Jol with his head in his hands reminded me of Keegan for Newcastle. The quality of our players natural ability got us a point. It certainly was not our coaches.

But well done Jol with the substitutions.

Hughton must be relocated within Spurs, Seggers out.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

BC can I suggest you tone it down a bit. Yes passions will run high after a match like that but, lets not let this get out of hand.

Ok. Apologies, but I find it incredulous that Zokora gets so much page space and blamed for Huddlestone being poor or for not tackling enough , or when he does it's no good either. When it is crystal clear, and has been to a couple of us that see past the bravado for a while now, that we have a pair (at least) of idiots in our back five. We keep conceding goals. Who has played there more than anyone last season and this Robinson and Dawson. No it's Zokoras fault. Let's all talk about Zokoras inability to be glen hoddle. Never mind the fact that he has good technique,works hard, wins vital tackles and rarely gives the ball away. What we really need now is more flamboyant tossers that look great failing to make a 40 yard pass.

Jol doesn't play to anybodies strength. He drops our most experienced defender, plays Bale where he is less use to the team, refuses to play a 5 midfield which would compensate for Huddlestones and Zokoras short comings. He plays rookies in defence ahead of experience when it hasn't worked for months.

He refuses to play one of other strikers. He lets the strikers get away without ever chasing and working the defenders in possession this puts pressure on us as a team.

Once we sort out a manager with a plan B, most of our defense, get the strikers to work for the team, Huddlestone to move quicker than my Nan, Players to play in their best positions, the we can think about Zokora's faults. Let's ****ing prioratise though.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Good post, BC. I agree with vast amounts of that.

Zoko was good (Always a relative term with him, but credit where its due. joey you're attempts to discredit him are sad and more than a little pathetic. We won't think less of you if you say Zokora did ok. Honest.) tonight, but as ever he didn't seem to play much of a creative role. He was industrious and a useful passer/spreader of play.

The one thing that strikes me is that some 4 years ago virtually the same threads/comments were being spoken about a young Geordie lad who looked gangly and didn't seem to create us much, yet once BMJ showed a bit of faith in him he became the best midfielder in the league. Now, thats not going to happen with DZ, but the similarities in the conversation are striking.

 

[Has1978]

I thought we saw the best and worse of Zokora today.

Poor with the ball, lacking ideas, awful execution.

Runs very fast and gets a few tackles in.

B-C I agree with a lot of your opinions, but when I go to the games he is one of the chief cuprits at giving the ball away.

Not including the long ball merchants Robbo and Dawson of course.

 

[SpurSince57]

Zok was great. Lennon looked rusty at times/lacked spark which is understandable. Hud was disappointing. Good news in that he has lost weight so hopefully he will get a little more pace to his game.

The defense were not that bad in open play (Daws did get embarrassed but you may as well have an empty net behind him with Robbo there...but he is still our best center back next to King and kaboul.

Robbo lost it for us. Plain and simple. Plus defending set plays looked as awful as ever. Looks like we need new coaches to help Jol. Admit it. I was right. Hughton and Seggers never help us and god only knows what they are teaching our young squad.

When we were 4-1 down, Jol with his head in his hands reminded me of Keegan for Newcastle. The quality of our players natural ability got us a point. It certainly was not our coaches.

But well done Jol with the substitutions.

Hughton must be relocated within Spurs, Seggers out.

No, he didn't. He has to hold up his hand up for their first and fourth. The first was simply horrible, the fourth a bad misjudgement. No excuses, nothing to do wth Segers, any more than James' and Hahnemann's fuck-ups on Saturday were anything to do with Reading and Pompey's keeping coaches.

We are fine in open play, or at least no worse than most other sides. Set pieces are the problem. Were they a problem two years ago? Or three years ago? I don't know. All I remember is that we kept about a dozen clean sheets in those two seasons. Now we're a disaster area.

You simply can't attribute this to one or two players, or to the coaching. It's down to a whole range of factors. To say this, and this, and this is what we should be doing, and that we should drop X, Y or Z and substitute A, B, or C is simplistic.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

But SS57, as some of your oft-mentioned figures from the past have reason to comment:

Football is a simple game.

:wink:

 

[SpurSince57]

Oh, quite, Bill. It's dead simple. We score more than they do.

And one could argue that philosophy, however laudable, has always been Spurs' bugbear. Because we have never, ever, got our defence properly sorted in 50 years, and probably a lot longer.

 

[gibbs131]

No, he didn't. He has to hold up his hand up for their first and fourth. The first was simply horrible, the fourth a bad misjudgement. No excuses, nothing to do wth Segers, any more than James' and Hahnemann's fuck-ups on Saturday were anything to do with Reading and Pompey's keeping coaches.

We are fine in open play, or at least no worse than most other sides. Set pieces are the problem. Were they a problem two years ago? Or three years ago? I don't know. All I remember is that we kept about a dozen clean sheets in those two seasons. Now we're a disaster area.

You simply can't attribute this to one or two players, or to the coaching. It's down to a whole range of factors. To say this, and this, and this is what we should be doing, and that we should drop X, Y or Z and substitute A, B, or C is simplistic.

haha...No he didn't? Your next words then admitted he was to blame for 2 goals???? :rofl:

So you don't think the first goal demoralized the young squad and turned around the game for Villa?

And the fact that if he had not dropped a schoolboy ball with no pressure he is free from blame?

And you mention coaching? So set pieces are not drilled in coaching? it is absolutely 100% obvious that our COACHING is the cause of Spurs bad form. Threads are springing up here and other forums about defensive coaches, or set piece coaches etc etc etc.

Keep digging. it's not hard to say :

"Gibbs you were right all along, our players are decent but are being bogged down with poor coaching"

What do you think? the players take Friday nights off and go over tactics and marking and box responsibilities in their own time? No, a certain MJ, CH and HS does that. And you KNOW IT.

Your denial is pure comedy to me. "Robbo is not to blame..yes he was to blame for 2 goals but..."

hahaha

Please keep it up.

Jol MUST stay. He has brought back the Tottenham way at Spurs. He just needs someone who can deal with our shortcomings to bring balance to the coaching team.

 

[batigol]

No, he didn't.

I have to disagree with you on that. That howler which Robinson made was during the worst possible timing in the match done in the worst possible fashion. We were dominating the game at that point, creating numerous chances, pushing Villa back with them not having a sniff of our goal at all. With one innocuous corner, he turn it all around. Villa started believing they can get something out of the game because we were defending like shit with a shaky keeper behind and you can see the droop of shoulders in almost all our players with Thudd and Berbs being most noticeable.

It wasn't just the about Robbo making a mistake SS57. It was the timing of the mistake and the manner in which the mistake was made which dealt a heavy blow to the players who are mostly young and not strong mentally. It curtailed our momentum and let Villa back in the game. Seriously, if you can't see the effect that mistake had on our players and the match then you surely were not watching it at all.

 

[davros]

Ok. Apologies, but I find it incredulous that Zokora gets so much page space and blamed for Huddlestone being poor or for not tackling enough , or when he does it's no good either. When it is crystal clear, and has been to a couple of us that see past the bravado for a while now, that we have a pair (at least) of idiots in our back five. We keep conceding goals. Who has played there more than anyone last season and this Robinson and Dawson. No it's Zokoras fault. Let's all talk about Zokoras inability to be glen hoddle. Never mind the fact that he has good technique,works hard, wins vital tackles and rarely gives the ball away. What we really need now is more flamboyant tossers that look great failing to make a 40 yard pass.

Jol doesn't play to anybodies strength. He drops our most experienced defender, plays Bale where he is less use to the team, refuses to play a 5 midfield which would compensate for Huddlestones and Zokoras short comings. He plays rookies in defence ahead of experience when it hasn't worked for months.

He refuses to play one of other strikers. He lets the strikers get away without ever chasing and working the defenders in possession this puts pressure on us as a team.

Once we sort out a manager with a plan B, most of our defense, get the strikers to work for the team, Huddlestone to move quicker than my Nan, Players to play in their best positions, the we can think about Zokora's faults. Let's ****ing prioratise though.

I agree with a lot of that. Said something similar in another thread about not using our experienced players when inexperience is so clearly a problem.