Dier had a "friendly" conversation with Jose

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People are saying it’s not harmful,Maybe so.But Where is the benefit of doing it?If there’s no benefit then what’s the point.Not exactly like poch needs the money or publicity.When balague muted the idea a discussion must have been had between poch and the club.And somebody must have said yeah that’s fine for XYZ reasons.Would Just love to know what poch or the club think this achieves.Because if I’m a betting man on a 50/50 scale of positive/negative I can only see negative from this and absolutely no positive.Even to release these snippets on the day of a match is bizarre.Say dier gets a text from walker this morning saying blah blah blah.Even if it affects his focus 5% that could be 1 mistake that costs us the game.For a club so well run I find this utterly bizarre the sort of thing you’d expect from West Ham.
 

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Most interesting is that Poch believes that long term Dier's best position is centre back. A very small majority on here have made that argument :cool:

Also has to be said that if accurate that also busts the myth that Poch runs some absolute meritocracy based on what happens in training etc, and that you give him 100% or else, as some do try and claim. He has a few favourites like every other manager and allows them (considerably) more slack. Will player power win when it comes to the midfielder/defender debate?
 
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Most interesting is that Poch believes that long term Dier's best position is centre back. A very small majority on here have made that argument :cool:

Also has to be said that if accurate that also busts the myth that Poch runs some absolute meritocracy based on what happens in training etc, as some do try and claim. He has a few favourites like every other manager and allows them (considerably) more slack. Will player power win when it comes to the midfielder/defender debate?
The same one's who continually questions Poch's tactics and team selctions eh? ;)
 

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So basically he said that utd had unsettled dier and it had effected his form.
They had a long chat and poch told him he wont be sold. They then talked about what they each think his best position is dier thinks dm poch thinks cb. Dier was a bit pissed that wanyama was bought. Poch said he was one of tottenhams highest players and they rated him highly.

Really can't see what the fuss is. Dier has been playing in midfield and has not left. This interview was almost a year old. Everybody has moved on since then.
 

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If the problem wasnt solved i would be pissed. but if the problem was solved and this was published that means dier has been consulted of the matter, and have pledged his loyalty towards us.

If anything this feels more like a "fuck off mou, i know what the fuck you are trying to do, but look at my boy, you wont be able to fuck with us you ****" statement
 

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People are saying it’s not harmful,Maybe so.But Where is the benefit of doing it?If there’s no benefit then what’s the point.Not exactly like poch needs the money or publicity.When balague muted the idea a discussion must have been had between poch and the club.And somebody must have said yeah that’s fine for XYZ reasons.Would Just love to know what poch or the club think this achieves.Because if I’m a betting man on a 50/50 scale of positive/negative I can only see negative from this and absolutely no positive.Even to release these snippets on the day of a match is bizarre.Say dier gets a text from walker this morning saying blah blah blah.Even if it affects his focus 5% that could be 1 mistake that costs us the game.For a club so well run I find this utterly bizarre the sort of thing you’d expect from West Ham.
The negatives you posit are no more or less persuasive than potential positives.

Like reinforcing the view that the manager believes the player is very close to being excellent and only one tier down from the unique players like Messi and Ronaldo.

That the players can make their progress at Spurs under Pochettino and that unlike some managers, he doesn't meekly accept that Manchester United is necessarily a step upwards for a good young player. And that they can take control and responsibility for their actions.

That the manager trusts the player enough to speak plainly about these things and not hold them against the players, harbouring grudges or vendettas like some managers appear to do quite often.

I believe he is trying to get his players to grow up and take responsibility for their actions and behaviour, and there's no reason to assume that they'll react negatively to that. There is also no reason to assume that the players have such a superficial relationship with Pochettino that things like this will have the same effect on them as they do on supporters who have never spoken a word to him in their lives. Their relationship with him is a continuing, everyday thing, not a matter of a few headlines or quotable snippets.

I think it's a storm in a tea cup, the sort of thing supporters turn into a negative because we aren't close enough to the reality to understand what's going on. I could be wrong, but so could you. I just prefer not to assume that Pochettino, who clearly is not a fool, likes to behave like a fool and doesn't understand the people he works with so intimately almost every day of their lives.
 

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The only reasons for a book like this are (1) money, for Balague in particular, but also Poch, and (2) publicity, again, something important to the author, but also for Poch and potentially the club.

Given that Poch is a wealthy man, I can only conclude that Poch and the club see some other value in doing this. Whether that proves true, we'll probably never find out. But I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit worried.
 

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The negatives you posit are no more or less persuasive than potential positives.

Like reinforcing the view that the manager believes the player is very close to being excellent and only one tier down from the unique players like Messi and Ronaldo.

That the players can make their progress at Spurs under Pochettino and that unlike some managers, he doesn't meekly accept that Manchester United is necessarily a step upwards for a good young player. And that they can take control and responsibility for their actions.

That the manager trusts the player enough to speak plainly about these things and not hold them against the players, harbouring grudges or vendettas like some managers appear to do quite often.

I believe he is trying to get his players to grow up and take responsibility for their actions and behaviour, and there's no reason to assume that they'll react negatively to that. There is also no reason to assume that the players have such a superficial relationship with Pochettino that things like this will have the same effect on them as they do on supporters who have never spoken a word to him in their lives. Their relationship with him is a continuing, everyday thing, not a matter of a few headlines or quotable snippets.

I think it's a storm in a tea cup, the sort of thing supporters turn into a negative because we aren't close enough to the reality to understand what's going on. I could be wrong, but so could you. I just prefer not to assume that Pochettino, who clearly is not a fool, likes to behave like a fool and doesn't understand the people he works with so intimately almost every day of their lives.
I agree with most of this, but then why do it at all?
 

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If this is the most salacious thing in the book -- that Eric talked to Mourinho in a players tunnel, I don't think we have too much to worry about.
 

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I agree with most of this, but then why do it at all?
Because it gives the fans a look at the inner workings of spurs. The book is probably a few hundred pages so i'm sure most of it will be getting the clubs message across.
Same reason we do press conferences and interviews.

The message i got from these two snippets is don't tap up our players. And to the players don't let other clubs turn your head.
 
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People are saying it’s not harmful,Maybe so.But Where is the benefit of doing it?If there’s no benefit then what’s the point.Not exactly like poch needs the money or publicity.When balague muted the idea a discussion must have been had between poch and the club.And somebody must have said yeah that’s fine for XYZ reasons.Would Just love to know what poch or the club think this achieves.Because if I’m a betting man on a 50/50 scale of positive/negative I can only see negative from this and absolutely no positive.Even to release these snippets on the day of a match is bizarre.Say dier gets a text from walker this morning saying blah blah blah.Even if it affects his focus 5% that could be 1 mistake that costs us the game.For a club so well run I find this utterly bizarre the sort of thing you’d expect from West Ham.
Exactly.
 
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The book will no doubt be agenda driven on all fronts. Pochettino gets to say 'look how much better I am then all the chequebook managers', Levy gets to say 'You do not yet understand the power of the Spurs side', Balague gets to say 'look for credible I am and how much closer to the true info I am compared to other journos'.
 

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The book will no doubt be agenda driven on all fronts. Pochettino gets to say 'look how much better I am then all the chequebook managers', Levy gets to say 'You do not yet understand the power of the Spurs side', Balague gets to say 'look for credible I am and how much closer to the true info I am compared to other journos'.
And the fans get to have their customary meltdown...everyone's happy :sneaky:
 
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The negatives you posit are no more or less persuasive than potential positives.

Like reinforcing the view that the manager believes the player is very close to being excellent and only one tier down from the unique players like Messi and Ronaldo.

That the players can make their progress at Spurs under Pochettino and that unlike some managers, he doesn't meekly accept that Manchester United is necessarily a step upwards for a good young player. And that they can take control and responsibility for their actions.

That the manager trusts the player enough to speak plainly about these things and not hold them against the players, harbouring grudges or vendettas like some managers appear to do quite often.

I believe he is trying to get his players to grow up and take responsibility for their actions and behaviour, and there's no reason to assume that they'll react negatively to that. There is also no reason to assume that the players have such a superficial relationship with Pochettino that things like this will have the same effect on them as they do on supporters who have never spoken a word to him in their lives. Their relationship with him is a continuing, everyday thing, not a matter of a few headlines or quotable snippets.

I think it's a storm in a tea cup, the sort of thing supporters turn into a negative because we aren't close enough to the reality to understand what's going on. I could be wrong, but so could you. I just prefer not to assume that Pochettino, who clearly is not a fool, likes to behave like a fool and doesn't understand the people he works with so intimately almost every day of their lives.
Considered all of this (and they are fair points); still doesn't feel right one bit. Not to me, anyway.

Just weird, weird timing. Just doesn't seem necessary or required at all.
 

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This, plus the other sections on Walker and the trip to Argentina with Levy, are pretty astonishingly honest and eye-opening.

Bit uncomfortable reading them to be honest, they sound like they should be in a post-retirement autobiography.
Yep. Too much detail halfway through a season.

As Liew said on SS this morning, does Poch really need another plate to spin on top off league/Europe expectations, players maybe leaving, Wembley and new stadium, etc. Just seems to be giving the media ammunition.

Book should have waited till summer, maybe after we win something? Or is that the point of pushing it out now, in case we win nowt again?

Tho I will obviously read it
 
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