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'Directors of football are just a joke' - Redknapp on Tottenham crisis

slartibartfast

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And your point is ?
Its a shit example.
You're implying that Harry chose Saha and Nelson above loads of other better decent players he could have got???
With a budget of.... er... f all???

As you said, we were going for a CL place. Not just trying but really contending. Any other club would have backed their man, a man who had already done it once, but Levy tied his f in hands like the twat he is.

And then people like you come out with a comment like that.
And Avonspurs agreed with you which is disappointing.
Thought he was smarter than that.
 

avonspurs

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And you have lol?
I strongly suspect he has a better idea about it than you, no disrespect.
Imo the problem is the DOF answers to the Chairman, not the Manager and this is where it breaks down. Think we all agree on that.
Sidenote- Not being an expert on european football can you give a few examples of clubs where it works where they dont spend shit piles on players? Real Madrid doesnt count.
Not being pissy. Genuinely curious if it does work.
I hate the idea and am totally against it but still believe it can work if the relationship between coach and dof are very very good and the chairman isnt a cock.
Just dont really see the point. Undermines the manager imo, which is why most managers hate it.

Can I direct you to http://www.football365.com/f365-features/8792232/Director-Of-Football-A-Very-English-Phobia.
It's about how it works - and my problem is people comment on how they PERCEIVE it to work because it serves a purpose.

TBF, I don't know how it works within Spurs because I'm not a member of that hierarchy or personally know anyone who is - but then, I would suggest, that goes for most posters on this site, yet they posit arguments that they believe is based on fact (ie: the DoF bought this player that the manager didn't want, etc).
 

avonspurs

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Its a shit example.
You're implying that Harry chose Saha and Nelson above loads of other better decent players he could have got???
With a budget of.... er... f all???

As you said, we were going for a CL place. Not just trying but really contending. Any other club would have backed their man, a man who had already done it once, but Levy tied his f in hands like the twat he is.

And then people like you come out with a comment like that.
And Avonspurs agreed with you which is disappointing. Thought he was smarter than that.

:(
 

slartibartfast

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Can I direct you to http://www.football365.com/f365-features/8792232/Director-Of-Football-A-Very-English-Phobia.
It's about how it works - and my problem is people comment on how they PERCEIVE it to work because it serves a purpose.

TBF, I don't know how it works within Spurs because I'm not a member of that hierarchy or personally know anyone who is - but then, I would suggest, that goes for most posters on this site, yet they posit arguments that they believe is based on fact (ie: the DoF bought this player that the manager didn't want, etc).
Yeah fair point but I, like many others, base that belief on the fact that when a manager sees a player he wants and goes and gets him, they normally dont go 3 months without giving them a game do they?
Hence, who wanted this player?
edit- and then there's buying players when we haven't even got a bloody coach. Was that buy an agreement between coach and dof lol?
 

dannythomas

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Its a shit example.
You're implying that Harry chose Saha and Nelson above loads of other better decent players he could have got???
With a budget of.... er... f all???

As you said, we were going for a CL place. Not just trying but really contending. Any other club would have backed their man, a man who had already done it once, but Levy tied his f in hands like the twat he is.

And then people like you come out with a comment like that.
And Avonspurs agreed with you which is disappointing.
Thought he was smarter than that.

Thank you, that is addressing the issues rather than simply making snide comments. My counter argument would be that I am not defending Levy and Co. I agree they did not support Redknapp at that time. But signing over the hill mediocrity , especially in the case of Nelsen, was worse than signing nobody. If he really thought they would add anything then it shows lack of judgment on his part.
 

avonspurs

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Yeah fair point but I, like many others, base that belief on the fact that when a manager sees a player he wants and goes and gets him, they normally dont go 3 months without giving them a game do they?
Hence, who wanted this player?

Problem is we've had so many managers it's hard to bloody tell! :)

I honestly don't know anymore - what I do know is that I want my manager out on the training ground, working with the players, making them better, working on tactics, etc. I think, given the time that takes, it's impossible to be an 'old-fashioned' manager anymore - they need that assistance.

They should work closely with the manager and, of course, try to get their first targets - but, if they are acting as a go-between with the board, they will also realise the financial constraints within which they work. That may be, for example, why MoPo didn't get Schneiderlin (his first choice). I don't know - I'm just guessing as much as anyone.
 

slartibartfast

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Problem is we've had so many managers it's hard to bloody tell! :)

I honestly don't know anymore - what I do know is that I want my manager out on the training ground, working with the players, making them better, working on tactics, etc. I think, given the time that takes, it's impossible to be an 'old-fashioned' manager anymore - they need that assistance.

They should work closely with the manager and, of course, try to get their first targets - but, if they are acting as a go-between with the board, they will also realise the financial constraints within which they work. That may be, for example, why MoPo didn't get Schneiderlin (his first choice). I don't know - I'm just guessing as much as anyone.
Black posted the below on another thread.
Bloody good point I feel.

You fans seems to be forgetting poch is not here to build his own team, he is here to get the best out of the current crop of players.

Wow, thats deep man lol :alien:
 

yankspurs

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I was completely unaware that the DOF now has more power than the chairman and co owner of the club who is always six feet deep in footballing affairs. Must have missed this memo
 

t-baggins

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Comolli was a joke... Here and at Liverpool. Baldini left a stinking ship at Roma, and sunk Spurs with his terrible understanding of what we needed to balance our squad after we lost absolute quality in Modric and Bales departure.

I agree with Rednapp's philosophy where a manager shouldn't have to put up with someone else signing shite players, and Pochettino has to put up with us slating the hell out of him.
 

diamondlight

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Except, of course, he has never worked under a DoF..... ;)
No, but he has been a director of football - at Portsmouth, in 2001. Then after the manager got sacked for the side's poor form he became manager, and got the club promoted.
 

diamondlight

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I was completely unaware that the DOF now has more power than the chairman and co owner of the club who is always six feet deep in footballing affairs. Must have missed this memo
No-one on this thread has said anything remotely like this, as far as I can see.
 

avonspurs

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No, but he has been a director of football - at Portsmouth, in 2001. Then after the manager got sacked for the side's poor form he became manager, and got the club promoted.

So, maybe he's talking from experience about how HE acted as a DoF.... ;)
 

diamondlight

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So, maybe he's talking from experience about how HE acted as a DoF.... ;)
You seem strangely unwilling to admit that there is significant evidence - from Redknapp, from extensive media reports, and from Levy's own declared intentions - that the DOF structure takes power away from the manager. I give up!
 

avonspurs

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You seem strangely unwilling to admit that there is significant evidence - from Redknapp, from extensive media reports, and from Levy's own declared intentions - that the DOF structure takes power away from the manager. I give up!

Excuse me, but where have you showed this "significant" evidence? Redknapp has never worked UNDER a DoF; he has been one. With possibly a different remit than at other clubs. Where's the extensive media reports you talk about (aside from Redknapp's column?!). As for Levy, I don't remember him ever stating anything about taking power away from managers; indeed, I can't find any quotes at all (maybe I'm looking in the wrong place).

Baldini is down as technical director - unless you know specifically, or can provide quotes directly related to people who have worked with him in this current role, then you know as much about his involvement in things as I do. That is my point.

I give up!
 

UbeAstard

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Yes, a club Director. A Director of Football is simply a club Director's way of dictating player recruitment. All well and good if you want to make a profit above all, but not so good if you want to run a football club above all. We sacked the best football manager we've had in thirty years for non-footballing reasons - go figure.

I thought the idea of a DOF was that as managers come and go, this prevents the need to have a clear out of the old managers players who didn't fit in with the new manager, then wholesale new signings which is to the detriment of the club. Most top European clubs have a DOF (..profit above all..)?
I don't know it ifs the answer or not, I just think that some of the comments here have an agenda when you look at how inaccurate they are.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ll-insists-former-Everton-boss-Joe-Royle.html
 

SteveH

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Media claptrap.

Who in their right mind would let Harry lose with money. Next you'll be telling me he'd buy the likes of Rio Ferdinand. Oh wait........
 

diamondlight

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Media claptrap.

Who in their right mind would let Harry lose with money. Next you'll be telling me he'd buy the likes of Rio Ferdinand. Oh wait........
A player who was captain of England and Man Utd, on a free, signed for a club notoriously lacking leaders and dressing room characters.

The only agenda on here seems to be that of people determined to avoid the fact that Redknapp achieved the best league finishes of any Spurs manager in decades, and the fact that he did it by insisting that he has full control of the club's affairs.

Any defence of the DOF structure, and any sweeping criticism of Redknapp, will have to address the above facts.
 

SteveH

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A player who was captain of England and Man Utd, on a free, signed for a club notoriously lacking leaders and dressing room characters.

The only agenda on here seems to be that of people determined to avoid the fact that Redknapp achieved the best league finishes of any Spurs manager in decades, and the fact that he did it by insisting that he has full control of the club's affairs.

Any defence of the DOF structure, and any sweeping criticism of Redknapp, will have to address the above facts.

Redknapp just does not like Levy (who uses a DF) because he sacked him.

Best league finish I agree, then thought he was "Mr England" and rest is history. Harry is "just" a gun for hire and spoilt it for 'everybody' because he let his ego rule. A sad turn of events.
 
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