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Discussion in 'The Summer 2017 Transfer Archive' started by THFCSPURS19, Aug 25, 2017.
We shouldn't sign Origi because they play Firmino as a striker?
Point is instead og giving Origi games they'd rather converted Firmino to a striker. Says a lot about how much he's rated over there.
I think people that don't want us to sign this guy are not thinking straight. We are absolutely crying out for someone with some real pace in our attack.
Origi would score more goals than Janssen imo, and has the added bonus that he could be deployed out wide or through the middle.
We absolutely should be in for him if there's a chance we could get him.
They see Firmino as being the best striker at the club, hence him having the number 9 shirt.
I'm undecided on Origi, he hasn't kicked on there but hasn't had a run of games to do that. Trouble is, he'll be in the same position with us. He's not going to get a consistent run of games up front with us. He can't play wide as he's not going to be as good defensively.
Is he better than Janssen? I don't know, but Janssen has hardly set the world alight and the manager seems to have lost all faith in him. Maybe Poch just wants to try something else.
So? Firmino is a very good player, and they have so much pace in that attack they've come up with that blend of attack.
We need more options that offer us more power and pace. Origi offers that so I can understand why we could value him more than Liverpool given our respective squads and the needs of such.
I don't get why some people are so simplistic in the way they view things.
Furthermore just because Liverpool havn't used him too much doest mean he's not a good player who would excel more under Pochettino.
It's about addressing needs we have, not how said player has been treated at another Club.
Firmino started with the number 11 shirt but was converted to a striker after they realized Origi didn't cut it for them. Similar to how Son plays for us when Kane's out. This was after him being on "the worst team of the season" in the French League.
Sure he could blossom here, but I'd rather not help Liverpool clear up their squad by signing someone who's done nothing of note for 3 straight seasons.
edit: and no we just don't need "pace". We have had plenty of quick players in N'jie, GNK and even Sissoko's pretty fast. We need players with proper ability in addition to pace.
That's not really true is it? Origi has always been a backup at LFC. He was backup to Sturridge before Firmino came along and has never been given a run of starts which showed that he couldn't cut it.
He's 22 now, I think he was 19 when he signed. We all know that Liverpool have too many strikers at the club. They added Solanke this summer when they didn't need to instead of focusing on buying CB's etc.
They're a weird club.
Personally I think Origi would be better playing slightly wider than as a 9. He could cover at striker but I think he could play just behind too.
His weakness is his finishing, which I accept isn't great for a forward, but I think there's a good player in there with the right coaching and he'd bring skill, pace and power - a combination we're sorely lacking in attacking areas
I find it surprising how many seems happy about the prospect of signing Origi. He looked very good 3 years ago when Liverpool bought him, but done little of note since. For me he is very similar to King, but I'd hope we set our sights higher as the whole idea behind this signing should be to find someone to pressure Alli, Kane and Son.
Sure he could be that guy, but there is very little evidence to believe he'd be anything other than a Janssen replacement. Happy to be proven wrong though (and really hope I am if we end up buying him)
well I pretty much disagree with most people here,
we need back up for Kane, Jansen appears to be off, Origi can play striker and wide attacker. he's a decent utlilty
he is young and reasonably cheap and will be an ideal striker for the cups etc when Harry needs to be rested, Son is a decent utility but not a striker
we technically have 1 striker, no where near enough, other clubs have 3 or 4, we need depth and this guy seems an ideal loan assuming there is an agreed payout figure when we dont have financial restrictions like we currently have
Poch rates him and tried to get him before the Scousers bought him
and no doubt a few other reasons
NOT FOR RO
So bored of the whole "backup" for players. This is how we end up with a bench full of Sissokos and Janssens in the first place. What we need is players that can challenge our first teamers. Sadly I don't know who this could be within our financial landscape. A player like Martial would actually challenge Alli for his starting position rather than be a straight "backup".
Having said that Origi could of course prove me wrong and be a great for us as sort of a "fresh start". Maybe it's even the best we can afford in the forward bracket who knows, but don't fill me with confidence. If their squad against Arsenal's anything to og by he even behind Solanke in the pecking order :/
i know stats never tell the whole story, but if we can replace Janssen with this kid then I think we should. We need the pace, and someone who can play in the same 11 as Kane, instead of only in place of him.
I think he'd make a nice addition.
Firminio was bought to Liverpool as a player who could play all along the front line, it just happens that when he was switched to the middle it clicked and really suited their style of play.
Not a slight on Origi at all.
Liverpool have just rejected a 25m bid from a club that poses no threat to them (Palace) for a player that Klopp has ostracised from the set-up and wants rid of (Sakho). With that in mind it's difficult to envision them allowing Origi to join a direct rival for anything less than an absurd amount. I'm thinking 35-40m as an absolute minimum.
Would like to believe otherwise though because I can hardly imagine a more perfect back-up for Kane. Poch would fully tap Origi's potential (which is significant imo).
You're right, but hasn't Pochettino already made it clear our problem is that with arguably one of the best strikers in the world, aged just 24, in a formation that mostly features one striker up top, that no "very good players" are happy to come knowing that besides injury to Kane, they will be playing all the shit cup games. He said this about Morata some years ago.
And so hence we are stuck with either and ageing pro who doesn't mind being on the bench, or a young striker of potential who feels they can learn from (and possibly challenge?) Kane for a place in the starting XI.
Or someone that can play in any forward position so he's not a straight sub for Kane, but could also come in for Alli or Son. It makes little sense to og for someone that only gonna play when Kane's not playing imo.
He's no Josh King. Worse work rate, slower and weaker in pressure
Yes - but I think one of the struggles we have when we play with someone like Son up front is that they struggle to perform the role Kane does. Hold up, linking, running at defenders with strength and allowing our supporting attackers / wingback to join in.
We coped pretty well last season when Kane was out for his second spell, but I think our style of play somewhat necessitates a strong front man to hold it up to allow the likes of Dele and Son to make runs into the box to score. Tough combo to find, but if we could find someone to deputise for Dele / Son / Kane, then sure that'd be great. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head however.
well its quite possible this will be our deadline day signing. King re-signed with Bournemouth, Balde with Monaco, Barkley has a bum hammy and Chelsea are after him, and we cant afford Lemar. F*ck. He might work out but it wouldnt be the most exciting signing.
Never seen him play
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