Do you think Jay Rodriguez will be fit again?

[Nocando]

I didn't find him fit before.... Not my type

I think he can make it back to where he was with the right treatment and physio, but I hope we give him a got medical to work out how bad it could be.

It will probably play into our hands because Levy can really drag that price down.

Arteta. Another one.

 

[thinktank]

Yeah, he'll be ok. These days you can come back strong from this shit. And Levy will be milking the fuck out of his injury for sure.

 

[Yid-ol]

It will probably play into our hands because Levy can really drag that price down.

Arteta. Another one.

Yep, was thinking the same. Any small tear or doubt will just give levy another angle to work on.

 

[SamR]

No offence intended but it's also worth noting that he'll be getting the best medical care that money can buy.

Assuming yours was an NHS job. (I know they do a good job, before you all start! )

Mine was private but no-where near professional sport care.

I really nailed my rehab and was running and training in 6 months. I didn't play properly for 9 months out of fear really. The rest of my knee survived and I think most of my problems now are associated with hypermobile joints - I can play a game but have a good 3 days of bad swelling afterwards.

I'd actually love to do a study on the correlation between hypermobility and ligament tears.

As for Jay id trust the doctors if we sign him - very very unlikely it would happen unless his rehab is going ace!

 

[beats1]

But I didn't compare the two, just recovery times for injuries to show how far the technique has come.

I understand that but the sheer amount of stress put on those joints in this sports means that the examples of using other sports as a measure of coming back quickly is pointless as its not the same situation

 

[agrdavidsfan]

I'd be interested to know the rates of repeat ACL injuries, particularly where the graft has failed? I don't think I can name one I know of. Yet I know of thousands that were successful.

People need to get their heads out of the 1980's. You wont believe how much things have changed over the last 10 years. In fact many who have suffered one ACL injury then condition their bodies (around the knee - hammy, quad and calf) to a much better standard than before the injury. Likewise many players who don't give it this much effort are just as prone to these injuries, so it really is becoming less and less of an issue.

Strootman, Falcao and Walcott are three recent players to suffer ACl injuries and in the case of Strootman he is being touted around some of the top clubs.

Well my first graft failed first time I done it when I done a lot of conditioning hamstring quads were all stronger than ever took 10 months to get it all right had it repaired for my ACL to go again along with my pcl,mcl,lcl and cartilage that one was horrific the pain was incredible in my first training session back all I had done was turned to play the ball to the keeper.
The second time I took 14 months about to get it right this time I changed my recovery ideas I didn't blast my legs to make them stronger instead I tried to build the muscle back naturally by doing natural things like walking up hills and so on.
Then 26 months later I now play football but only as a kick about with my friends but I now have taught my brain and body to learn which way not to twist and which way not to turn or apply pressure I worked hard at this by getting my physio to throw a ball at my feet but then learning to turn off the right knee (the uninjured one) instead of off my left knee I don't twist at all using that knee sometimes it looks awkward when I'm playing but least I'm still playing. May not to be as good as I was but I'm still doing what I love even though it hurts. I also have made the strange transition from being fully left footed before doing my ACL to being fully right footed now. But if I play for 2 hours can guarantee I won't be able to walk the next day. But that's down to no cartilage.

The main scar of an ACL injury is the mental one you can't fully trust your body again sound sad but it's honestly true. I am also now terrified of contact or even slipping on ice or anything because I just do not want to go through it again it always reminds at the back of your mind.

 

[Jason80]

I tore my ACL in a match in the USA. For rehab and surgery i was sent to a private state of the art sports specific clinc in New York(actually NJ), where they send players from the New York Giants.

That was about 8 years ago and i have never had any pain or problems and certainly no mental issues with getting back playing. It was done the Patellar tendon graft method. I wouldnt have any worries about a premiership footballer coming back from this injury these days.

Edit: Sorry i should have said id have no worries as a fan, obviously the club as a business will have all kinds of things to consider.

 

[beats1]

I'd be interested to know the rates of repeat ACL injuries, particularly where the graft has failed? I don't think I can name one I know of. Yet I know of thousands that were successful.

People need to get their heads out of the 1980's. You wont believe how much things have changed over the last 10 years. In fact many who have suffered one ACL injury then condition their bodies (around the knee - hammy, quad and calf) to a much better standard than before the injury. Likewise many players who don't give it this much effort are just as prone to these injuries, so it really is becoming less and less of an issue.

Strootman, Falcao and Walcott are three recent players to suffer ACl injuries and in the case of Strootman he is being touted around some of the top clubs.

Signing a player who hasn't yet recovered yet is a big risk. Levy wouldnt sign Remy and Beckham on loan because the insurance was too high, I doubt that would change with Rodriguez. Also Southampton wouldnt want to sell for him cheap so I cant see this happening.

Personally I rather wait and go for Ward Prowse

 

[Nocando]

Signing a player who hasn't yet recovered yet is a big risk. Levy wouldnt sign Remy and Beckham on loan because the insurance was too high, I doubt that would change with Rodriguez. Also Southampton wouldnt want to sell for him cheap so I cant see this happening.

Personally I rather wait and go for Ward Prowse

We don't know the risk so it's mere speculation on our part. He could be adequately assessed, or he could have an insurance policy (like with Richards) to mitigate the risk, or he could reduce the risk by engineering the price.

or you could be right and it could be a massive gamble (which would be most un-Levy like).

All I know is he's not shit and if we get him and he finds that form then it would be a great buy. Yep Ward-Prowse looks a good prospect too but he's hardly the same player and we're pretty stacked in that area.

If we went for Ward Prowse I;d rather we went all out for Depay, and he can cover as a striker (albeit a more costly one).

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Really like the look of Rodriques and I'm sure that was the 1 player Poch really wanted from Southampton

Problem is you can never tell how a player comes back after injury. It's a gamble. Obviously if we do sign him we all hope it pays off....

 

[Sir Henry]

I think we have to take into account the mental side of the injury. Yes the knee may be strong again, but the players mind might not be. He may not be fully committed in his movement, tackling, twisting and turning etc as he won't want it to go again. The risk there is not seeing the same player, not because of the injury itself, but what's going on in his mind. He will need to recover from that side of things too, if he ever does.

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

Good player, but a bit like buying damaged goods from Arrods.

 

[Norwegian Spurs fan]

Who knows?

 

[dagraham]

I can't see Levy sanctioning a move for Rodriguez.

Schneiderlein seems an unnecessary purchase given we already have a handful of limited, hard working, water carriers in the centre.

Given recent reports I can't see us getting much change out of £30m for them both which would be pretty ridiculous.

Although I have wanted Rodriguez since before his injury I have to agree with this post. Surprised to see us outbid Liverpool for an injured player and Schneirderlein, whilst a good player, seems an unnecessary waste of our limited funds which could be used to buy a Striker, CB or true playmaker.

 

[Reece]

Vidic, Rossi, Jagielka, even Fabian Delph did his acl and came back a better player. So many players to have suffered this 'career threatening injury'.

In fact can we name any who didn't come back because of the ACL?

I think Michael Essien is the one that sticks out for me. An absolute beast, then he done his twice. I guess his problem, as has been mentioned by others, is now mental. After you've done it twice you're bound to be affected when its 9 months out at a time!

Ive done my knee twice, one meniscus, one dislocated knee-cap. I then went full on at centre-back in a 5-a-side about a year after the dislocation and opened up the knee again. Thankfully only a two week swelling that time but still. It certainly adds a bit of doubt into your play at times.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

You guys act like Levy has never done a deal before. Levy has his faults - making bad deals is generally not one of them. You can guarantee that Levy will not be paying full price for Rodriguez unless and until Rodriguez earns it on the field, and even then it will be at a discount.

 

[chinaman]

Given our glut of

Yeah, he'll be ok. These days you can come back strong from this shit. And Levy will be milking the fuck out of his injury for sure.

But make sure he doesn't have to rely on the club's medical team.

 

[thinktank]

Given our glut of



But make sure he doesn't have to rely on the club's medical team.

Poch made Southampton the fittest team in the league and I'm pretty sure their injury record was impressive.

He'll sort that issue out.

 

[Flashspur]

Jay R will be covered by insurance. Yes it wont be cheap but we wont lose if he pulls up lame and we wont buy the player unless the deal works for us.

Many players have come back from these kinds of injuries, Paul Gascoigne for one. Martin Chivers is another.

 

[TH1239]

In the NFL you have guys coming back from ACL injuries in less than 6 months, it's really not a career ending injury anymore. Adrian Peterson had his best season of his career 5 months after tearing his.

Dennis Seidenberg of the NHL's Boston Bruins tore his ACL and was skating again after just 4 months.

I have no doubt that Rodriguez will get back to previous form.

Adrian Peterson is a once in a century athlete. His physical composition and tendon strength is unlike any professional athlete on the face of the planet.

There are numerous others throughout many sports who have struggled coming off ACL injuries for significant periods of time. Derrick Rose being the most prominent example. Giuseppe Rossi is another example. Our own Sandro, of course, still doesn't look the same. Robert Griffin III was nowhere near the same player when he came back fro a ligament tear last season. Dominick Cruz is another prominent athlete who has had setbacks after his initial tear, too.

In a season where we desperately need to improve our end product, spending a big chunk of money on Jay Rodriguez, who may not even play until December, would be a mistake in my opinion. I'd rather go after Konoplyanka or even Remy on loan, as they can start on August 16th against West Ham for us, which is very important.