"don't try to fix something that is not broken"

[mattdefoe]

I feel our poor start to the season is down to numourous factors and obviously the late transfer negotiations and modric money.

However I feel the underlying factor is trying to change things to quickly, we were not a broken team we just needed sharpening up tactically, in regards to substitutions and the way we approach particular teams that definitely needed a change especially against the big four.

Playing with two holding midfielders in a league like the premier league is very pointless in my opinion unless you are playing against a strong top 6 side, because that is when you area vulnerable. The stubbornness to play the formation we have been in the last two home games has cost us, we had no fluidity and have been clueless , its how we need to approach the likes of man utd and chelsea not norwich city.

To much change in such a small space of time when it has not been needed is evident, look at harry he did it gradually and look where it took us.. I trust AVB in the long run, he has the ability , the ideas but I am worried he does not have the time or the backing if things don't change soon....

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I'm sure it was never avbs plan a to use Livermore and Sandro. Dembele had just signed and he probably didn't want to throw him in. Lets see how we line up in the next few games before judging.

 

[Col_M]

What choice did he have in MF ? He could have played Dembele from the start but that just alienated whoever gets dropped.

 

[walworthyid]

What choice did he have in MF ? He could have played Dembele from the start but that just alienated whoever gets dropped.

That is what I suspect was his thinking. However, Harry would have dropped Livermoore so fast his head would have spun.

The other thing that annoyed me was that when Dembele came on he didn't seem to drop into that hole and demand the ball. Surely it was obvious to all that that was where we were struggling and AVB should have told him to get in there and start the play off.

 

[Damian99]

I'm sure it was never avbs plan a to use Livermore and Sandro..

That isn't a pairing thats been forced upon him though, he has had options, maybe not the one he wants, but he's had them.

He's already said he tried to change too much too quickly at Chelsea and that he will do it more gradually at Tottenham, well it appears he is doing the same thing again here.

HR had us in the champions league and top four twice in three years, so we were clearly onto something, it just needed a man a little more savvy.

Some of those changes have been forced upon AVB king, modric, VDV and some he's made too quickly.

AVB tried to oust to many senior players all in one go and it appeared to backfire, it's going to turn sour and everyone will be on his back, like at Chelsea and once that happens, there is only one way out.

Before anyone gets excited, i like the bloke and i feel he knows his football but i am not sure he is learning quickly enough about his mistakes.

 

[Legend10]

What choice did he have in MF ? He could have played Dembele from the start but that just alienated whoever gets dropped.

And, so what?

 

[AX-Spur]

And honestly, it has been broken since February... So, that in combination with all departures, it needed to be fixed.

 

[Legend10]

That isn't a pairing thats been forced upon him though, he has had options, maybe not the one he wants, but he's had them.

He's already said he tried to change too much too quickly at Chelsea and that he will do it more gradually at Tottenham, well it appears he is doing the same thing again here.

HR had us in the champions league and top four twice in three years, so we were clearly onto something, it just needed a man a little more savvy.

Some of those changes have been forced upon AVB king, modric, VDV and some he's made too quickly.

AVB tried to oust to many senior players all in one go and it appeared to backfire, it's going to turn sour and everyone will be on his back, like at Chelsea and once that happens, there is only one way out.

Before anyone gets excited, i like the bloke and i feel he knows his football but i am not sure he is learning quickly enough about his mistakes.

Give him time!

 

[Damian99]

Give him time!

No where do i suggest he shouldn't, but i am always a touch concerned by someone who says they realised their mistakes but then go and start doing the same thing almost straight away.

Unless we get into relegation trouble, he can have a full season as far as i am concerned but it's not going be down to any of us.

I want the man to be a success i find it ridiculous any Tottenham fan wants any manager/player to fail.

 

[Col_M]

And, so what?

I'll explain if it helps.

His choices in MF were;

Sandro
Livermore
Thudd
Jenas
Dembele

Thudd not match fit.
Dembele is new, starting him over the others is detrimental to the morale of the others. So he started with his strongest pairing.

The starting line up consisted if only 2 new players.
Additionally he has learned from his Chelsea days that he needs to stamp his authority early on. Nite getting Moutinho will have been a big blow for hint and Levy.

 

[Col_M]

And honestly, it has been broken since February... So, that in combination with all departures, it needed to be fixed.

indeed. how many points/games were lost in the last few months.

 

[Legend10]

I'll explain if it helps.

His choices in MF were;

Sandro
Livermore
Thudd
Jenas
Dembele

Thudd not match fit.
Dembele is new, starting him over the others is detrimental to the morale of the others. So he started with his strongest pairing.

The starting line up consisted if only 2 new players.
Additionally he has learned from his Chelsea days that he needs to stamp his authority early on. Nite getting Moutinho will have been a big blow for hint and Levy.

What i meant was and so what if somebody is alienated for being dropped?

If he's worried about that, which I very much doubt then he's in the wrong line of work.

 

[Col_M]

What i meant was and so what if somebody is alienated for being dropped?

If he's worried about that, which I very much doubt then he's in the wrong line of work.

its good man management. it tells them you are in the team on merit rather than you'll be out on your arse as soon as possible. it means the players will continue to play for you

 

[Col_M]

AVB tried to oust to many senior players all in one go and it appeared to backfire

Who? Dawson yes.but who else that you class as Senior ?

 

[Legend10]

its good man management. it tells them you are in the team on merit rather than you'll be out on your arse as soon as possible. it means the players will continue to play for you

You could easily argue it the other way round.

Neither Livermore or sandro have played particularly well in the opening 2 games, we can now make that 3. To have left one of them out you could say means if you don't perform you don't play, simple.

Beside it's about balance of the side and not about alienating players, for me Livermore and Sandro are too likey likey to play together at home against the likes of Norwich.

 

[Col_M]

You could easily argue it the other way round.

Neither Livermore or sandro have played particularly well in the opening 2 games, we can now make that 3. To have left one of them out you could say means if you don't perform you don't play, simple.

Beside it's about balance of the side and not about alienating players, for me Livermore and Sandro are too likey likey to play together at home against the likes of Norwich.

Fair point, but I think he made a strong decision by subbing fan fav Sandro. And Dembo is now a strong contender to start the next game.

 

[Legend10]

Fair point, but I think he made a strong decision by subbing fan fav Sandro. And Dembo is now a strong contender to start the next game.

I agree and barring injury I can't see anyway that Dembele won't start at reading and also won't now be a regular fixture in our starting 11.

 

[JimmyG2]

We could have easily won the last two games and drawn the first
though in all fairness we didn't deserve to.
Had he had a bit of luck when we all needed it theses conversations wouldn't arise.
He is trying various pairings and giving then and himself time to work.
Livermore/Sandro: Gallas Vertonghen: Ade/ Defoe
This seems a good approach, now that the core of the team has been sold
and more resources brought in he needs to work on the shape and composition
of the team.
Which he will surely do. but this will take time and he needs support and a little bit of good fortune.

This is not how I felt last night
but I am following my own rule 'Never post when you are angry'
THis morning I am taking a longer term view.

 

[AX-Spur]

The next game is the first where he has the full squad available for selection (a part from those injured or suspended). I expect Dembele to start, as well as I hope to see Ade starting. Based on the last match, I wouldn't mind Friedel playing, even though I'm dying to see Lloris. It would be interesting to see Caulker instead of Gallas, but I can't see that happening...

 

[camaj]

Who? Dawson yes.but who else that you class as Senior ?

Exactly, it's a strange thing to say. Very few people seemed concerned with the awful way Redknapp treated players. Dropping our player of the season and not even using him in the cups or limiting our best strikers to the occasional sub-appearence no matter how well they played when we were stuck with a striker who had one of the worst records in recent memory.

Players know that when a new manager comes in there are going to be players that get sold or dropped, especially when that team has underperformed in the way Spurs have for the last few years. It's crazy to expect us to sign Lloris, Dembele, Dempsey, Sigurdsson and Vertonghen as then tell them that they can't play because we don't want to upset Livermore, Daws or Defoe. It's up to the players who get dropped to perform well enough to put pressure on the new lads and a good manager will give them an opportunity to make their case for selection. I expect AVB to start with Ade and Dembele but I won't be happy if he treats Defoe like Redknapp treated Bent or Pav.