dragon1 tidbits

[Bobishism]

Fact? What fact? Oh, your opinion. Well that's a great fact to bring up.

As valid as your facts. Oh wait... THERES THE POINT!

 

[Booney]

hopeful that we may have painted the whole Bale situation as a little blacker than it actually is in order to get him out of the Wales squad. Wouldn't be at all surprised if his recovery mysteriously 'picked up' again after the international break. That is just idle speculation though with a bit of healthy cynicism thrown in.

 

[Flatters]

As valid as your facts. Oh wait... THERES THE POINT!

You got murked, RMY.

 

[PYiddy]

Or the fact he was shit at his job.

twunt

 

[thfcsteff]

It seems a few ITKs were spreading anti Jol propaganda once they heard that the board wanted to replace him. We had stories that Jol wanted to sell the best players, and that Jol was being a "backstabber" by talking to Newcastle.

Seems this propaganda was put in place to soften the blow when Jol was sacked. And, it worked. Many fans were saying it's time for Jol to go, and they thought it was his fault, rather than the fault of the board who systematically undermined him and gave him players he didn't require.

I see.
And you don't believe a word of it, right?
Because he would never have done anything like that, right?

I see...:bang::bang::bang:

Can I just ask, do you think he was an angel?

 

[Babylon22]

jol wanting to sell berba was probably the most absurd piece of itk i'd ever heard. Blatently made up to discredit hiim.

 

[SpurSince57]

I see.
And you don't believe a word of it, right?
Because he would never have done anything like that, right?

I see...:bang::bang::bang:

Can I just ask, do you think he was an angel?

You're missing the point.

You would think that the ITKs, being so close to the heartbeat of the club, would have had some inkling that there was serious board-level dissatisfaction with Jol. Yet, apart from hints that he and Comolli weren't seeing eye to eye, which have been floated almost since Comolli arrived, and the rumours that Kemsley didn't rate him and wanted his mate 'arry in, we've heard fuck all.

Straight after RamosGate, BOF contacted a club insider and was told there were no plans to dismiss Jol. Following BOF's post, an ex-member called 'Wan_Danny_Thomas' launched a very hostile attack on BOF, demanded to know the identity of his informant, and asked us all how we'd feel if we knew Jol had wanted to sell our 'best player' and had been in contact with the Barcodes about taking over from Souness. The following day Dragon1 and BEN posted these 'revelations' on COYS and FTL. What an astonishing coincidence!

The same and similar stories were leaked to the press. These were followed by a version of the Carrick saga very much at odds with the one we've taken for granted for over a year—presumably from 'sources close to Martin Jol' if not Jol himself, a clear response to the anti-Jol briefings.

None of us knows what to believe, but the one certainty is that this season has been a total mess so far.

 

[faymantaray]

Juande all this will be yours..

 

[SpurSince57]

I'm sorry, but I cracked that dreadful pun some while back.

 

[cnyy12]

Important points with which I agree.

I would add the following qualification: from many comments over the years, Jol's favoured system appears to be a Dutch 4-3-3 with two wide attacking midfielders (aka wingers who track back), and a classic Number Ten playmaker (a Riquelme or van der Vaart). Jol never had the personnel to play this system, and seemed to muddle along with a bog standard English 4-4-2, with a box-to-box CM, and a LM who constantly had to cut inside due to lack of confidence in his left foot (only changed when left-back Bale showed he can play as a proper LM).

My point is that Ramos has come in, with a huge salary and in a very strong position (having been actively courted by Spurs), and I suspect pretty much demanded that the team will play to his formation. Unsurprisingly, many of the existing players are not best suited to Ramos football (for instance, The Hud's lack of mobility and aggression seem to rule him out as a Ramos CM).

And this is why the "player continuity" supposedly granted by a DoF is always going to be fictional. A new coach, in a strong position, will always demand that he has the players to play his system, and that will almost inevitably lead to mass turnover of players. Jol was in weak position when he took over from Santini - Arnensen wanted him, Levy wanted a bigger name but had messed up with Jacques and agreed to Arnensen's recommendation. But Jol never seemed to be in a position to say: this is my preferred system (Dutch 4-3-3), now get me the players to play it.

Ultimately, I think it's very healthy for the club that we now have a coach who will not have to put up with Comolli allegedly selling a key player (Carrick) and replacing him with an inferior version (Zokora) that the DoF rates but who is clearly incapable of fulfilling the role in the team that the original player filled.

I find it highly doubtful that any manager would be brought in and then not allowed to pick a system. Maybe the management will say they want good football, but I don't know about more than that, other than Ajax insisting on 4-3-3 for years.

 

[super swine]

Bale pulled out of the Wales squad on Sunday, As did Bellamy, both then went on to win Young player of the year and Player of the year respectively, both were not at the ceremony to recieve their awards well done the WFA:rofl: