Ending The Transfer Window Before The Season Will...

[Bulletspur]

Not sure what we would do if Barca or RM coming with a ridiculous offer for one of our players after our window closes & the player makes clear he wants to go. We can't get a replacement, so we either have to keep an unhappy player or weaken our squad. Silly in my view.

Some of these leagues closes later than ours now as it is so I dont see a problem if we dont want to sell

Personally cannot see this working. You need the other clubs, especially in Europe to agree. Because our window closes 9th August, I cannot see under existing rules (Restrictions of trade) you voujd stop a club procuring our player.

Not a restriction of trade because trade is conducted in the window, albeit a shorter deadline. If they cant procure them during the window, why do you believe they can suddenly do o after it closes for us. Courtino a case in point

We could really suffer from this rule change imo... We brought in players from other countries and those clubs (like PSG) could be less willing to sell if they themselves have more than 3 weeks of window to go in which a whole lot might happen to their squads.

I agree, this is the only downside I see in widening the gulf of the deadline closures of the various leagues

 

[Hercules]

Everyone needs to understand that agents and players, especially the foreign ones, who are open to listening to interesting offers from clubs in Europe, it will not be easy, though our window is closed. I know the shady practices of that world.

Great example; Gareth Bale wants to Madrid. We need the money in before we can sell to allow us to replace. Madrid knows we are at a severe disadvantage. They will wait until our window closes, and know Bale wants out. The challenge we have, they offer good 30% less on final day of our window. We are forced due to player and agents pressure. You also need to understand when you sign players how contracts are structured. They won't sign with you, and goes for most top players if there is unfair restrictions.

I hope Europe falls in line for it to work. I knew the managers (ignorant) was pressuring their clubs to vote for it. I also know that the vast majority of chairman are not looking forward to the change from a commercial point of view, as they feel they will be severely disadvantaged.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think there's a real issue with the split deadline on buying and selling players.

I'm totally for the window closing before the season starts, but having it so that clubs can sell up until the 31st when the window has closed 3 weeks earlier is going to put Premiership clubs at a massive disadvantage financially in the transfer market.

Foreign clubs will be able to bump up the price when they are selling, knowing that premiership clubs have a tight deadline, and will also be able to pick off premiership players between the two deadlines, as some premiership clubs will be desperate to sell players they've already replaced.

Will need to be very carefully managed by the various chairmen I think.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

You guys are missing the point. The deadline day pressures won't be any different next year - they deadline will simply be sooner. Clubs will be scrambling on the last day, just like now.

PL has all the money, and the leverage when it comes to dealing with teams outside the league. No team - even Barça or RM or PSG are suddenly going to have an interest in a player after the deadline. It does not work like that now, and it won't work like that next year. Interest is known well in advance of the deadline. And, every team in the PL has the financial clout to turn away even crazy money for any player on their roster.

With the deadline being sooner - they will simply tell players they cannot be sold without replacements coming in. Players can sulk, but that is no different than players sulking about not getting a move today. The key is communication - Players and Agents know that clubs won't sell after the deadline, if they could not get replacements in - end of story. If the agents want to move a player, then they better be working the phones before the deadline - not after.

 

[Bulletspur]

You guys are missing the point. The deadline day pressures won't be any different next year - they deadline will simply be sooner. Clubs will be scrambling on the last day, just like now.

PL has all the money, and the leverage when it comes to dealing with teams outside the league. No team - even Barça or RM or PSG are suddenly going to have an interest in a player after the deadline. It does not work like that now, and it won't work like that next year. Interest is known well in advance of the deadline. And, every team in the PL has the financial clout to turn away even crazy money for any player on their roster.

With the deadline being sooner - they will simply tell players they cannot be sold without replacements coming in. Players can sulk, but that is no different than players sulking about not getting a move today. The key is communication - Players and Agents know that clubs won't sell after the deadline, if they could not get replacements in - end of story. If the agents want to move a player, then they better be working the phones before the deadline - not after.

And I think you miss the point, that if say PSG had a player we want, we wont have that time advantage anymore of holding out for "lower" price as they will know that we have a shorter time limit than them in which to buy, so they then could hold us to the sword.

 

[srups34]

I think for it to work, it needs to be the same across the whole of Europe.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

And I think you miss the point, that if say PSG had a player we want, we wont have that time advantage anymore of holding out for "lower" price as they will know that we have a shorter time limit than them in which to buy, so they then could hold us to the sword.

How is that any different than today?

PSG knows that PL has the most money - so even a "low" offer that expires on August 15 will still be better than most offers it can get elsewhere in Europe.

PL is in the driver's seat here - everyone in Europe knows that. PL have the money, and teams will have to adapt to PL's schedule, not the other way around.

 

[Shadydan]

I think there's a real issue with the split deadline on buying and selling players.

I'm totally for the window closing before the season starts, but having it so that clubs can sell up until the 31st when the window has closed 3 weeks earlier is going to put Premiership clubs at a massive disadvantage financially in the transfer market.

Foreign clubs will be able to bump up the price when they are selling, knowing that premiership clubs have a tight deadline, and will also be able to pick off premiership players between the two deadlines, as some premiership clubs will be desperate to sell players they've already replaced.

Will need to be very carefully managed by the various chairmen I think.

Foreign clubs do that anyway, they've been quoting Premiership teams higher prices for their players because they know that their financial advantage is in a different ball park to the rest of Europe.

The underlying point of this which seems that people are missing in that Premiership teams do not have to sell their players once the domestic window closes, if a foreign team comes in for Prem based players when the window closes they are going to cost more money because the players then become a commodity as they are at a premium and seeing as Prem club make so much money and pay their players a lot of money they hold the financial advantage over foreign teams. Also look at what happened with Liverpool and Coutinho, they've told Barcelona to piss off because they don't need to sell and because they don't need the finances due to the income they generate in this league, if they can do that then why cant other Prem teams do that?

At the end of the day if a team is desperate to sell a player at the end of the window then it's down to bad planning, this is why they have 2 months to sell players that they feel don't need to be there or don't want to be there.

 

[JollyHappy]

It's good as we then start the season with our chosen players. So for this year I think Aurier would have played at least by the Chelsea game.

 

[whitesocks]

When our window closes, that should be it for comings and goings.
The FA hold the registrations - so if RM buy all our players outside the window, then great, but they don't play again until the next window opens. I'm assuming the UEFA/FIFA paperwork could do this.

 

[yankspurs]

Naïvety at best, stupidity at worst. Its like they forgot during this discussion there is a whole footballing world out there with there deadlines on the 31st or the 1st. So what happens if a bigger club come in big for players and you cant replace them? Risk losing a ton of money and have an unhappy player? Or be short until January? Unless the rest of Europe falls in line, this will end badly. When they had these discussions, did they bother to talk to UEFA or any other FA? Just baffling.

 

[yankspurs]

It's good as we then start the season with our chosen players. So for this year I think Aurier would have played at least by the Chelsea game.

Uhh no. Aurier would not have happened as the appeal was not decided until the last few days of the window and the work permit a day or 2 after that.

 

[Shadydan]

Uhh no. Aurier would not have happened as the appeal was not decided until the last few days of the window and the work permit a day or 2 after that.

We would have started the appeal process earlier mate.

 

[Armstrong_11]

I don't think much will change..

Levy will again wait till all the richer clubs throw money at the players they want...

Once that is over.. And the selling clubs realise they ain't gonna get a big pay day. Then Levy moves in and try to save as much money as possible. It's his MO... And it's not gonna change.

Personally... I feel it's gonna put every club in the EPL at a disadvantage, so what if our window closes... It doesn't stop a team like Barca going after coutinho. Maybe less players getting "unsettled" but it will still happen. This will only work if UEFA adopts it.

 

[Speedy]

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Everyone needs to understand that agents and players, especially the foreign ones, who are open to listening to interesting offers from clubs in Europe, it will not be easy, though our window is closed. I know the shady practices of that world.

Great example; Gareth Bale wants to Madrid. We need the money in before we can sell to allow us to replace. Madrid knows we are at a severe disadvantage. They will wait until our window closes, and know Bale wants out. The challenge we have, they offer good 30% less on final day of our window. We are forced due to player and agents pressure. You also need to understand when you sign players how contracts are structured. They won't sign with you, and goes for most top players if there is unfair restrictions.

I hope Europe falls in line for it to work. I knew the managers (ignorant) was pressuring their clubs to vote for it. I also know that the vast majority of chairman are not looking forward to the change from a commercial point of view, as they feel they will be severely disadvantaged.

But we didn't receive the full amount up front for Bale. It was done in instalments over five years, so what's to prevent any premier league club holding the cards as they do already? They own the registration so unless the player is out of contract that's the end of it. All that can happen is premier league contracts get more sophisicated, until the day when the premier league isn't attractive anymore and then the league can adjust the deadline day rules again.

 

[yankspurs]

We would have started the appeal process earlier mate.

Oh my bad. I guess I missed the part where Spurs dictates when and how long a prospective players appeal to criminal conviction in the French appelate system will happen and take. My mistake. Wont happen again

 

[Lighty64]

The winner applies to the first paragraph.

I think a window is great, but I'd be a fan of a one month window in June, and that be it. I'd also love that to be a window for manager sackings/appointments, but that's a separate thing.

Having the window only in June means all teams are set with their squads for the coming season before they even start pre-season. I'd scrap the January window too.

Love the idea of limiting the transfers per club.

glad that, that has never been introduced and many seasons back, Gross and Ramos, and the mess we where with Gross would of been a real challenge to return

 

[Colston]

All that's happened is that Deadline Day has been moved forward..

 

[Lighty64]

well at least @Archibald&Crooks will have 2 weeks less stress

 

[Archibald Leitch]

So what happens if a bigger club come in big for players

Same as happened this year. The club refuses to sell. Some players might get the hump (van Dijk, Costa). Some might be professional about it (Johnny Evans, Eric Dier). Hey ho.