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Ending The Transfer Window Before The Season Will...

If the window shuts before the 1st match what will happen?

  • Daniel Happy But Manager Sad?

    Votes: 4 2.5%
  • Daniel Sad But Manager Happy

    Votes: 54 33.1%
  • Daniel Sad and Manager Sad

    Votes: 10 6.1%
  • Daniel Happy and Manager Happy

    Votes: 95 58.3%

  • Total voters
    163

etchedchaos

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Jun 1, 2006
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We would have started the appeal process earlier mate.

Actually the club were still restricted by the French legal system, wasn't his own appeal at the start of August? A process completely independent of anything we could've done. Aurier is probably the worst example for the club stretching things out as there were a ton of moving parts, obstacles and due diligence that needed doing. Once everything on the French was sorted the window didn;t have much time left, so I do not see how we could've got him in for the Chelsea game.
 

Saoirse

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Aug 20, 2013
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When our window closes, that should be it for comings and goings.
The FA hold the registrations - so if RM buy all our players outside the window, then great, but they don't play again until the next window opens. I'm assuming the UEFA/FIFA paperwork could do this.

Nope. The windows are always for buying clubs, not selling. For instance, English clubs can already sell to China or America among others while our window's closed. We don't have the power to change that.

Uhh no. Aurier would not have happened as the appeal was not decided until the last few days of the window and the work permit a day or 2 after that.

We would have started the appeal process earlier mate.

yankspurs is right in this particular case, since the appeal was based on his legal appeal which was going on as quickly as possible anyway and couldn't have been sped through the French legal system. But that's a once-in-a-blue-moon scenario, I think in general things will simply be done earlier because the Premier League holds so many of the cards.
 

Scott Spur

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Aug 9, 2011
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Will make even more of a two tiered financial system for players, one price for Premier League clubs, then after our window closes another lower price for the rest of the world.
 

Wellspurs

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Mar 9, 2006
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Do we know how Levy voted?
It was 14 to 6 Swansea and the two Manc clubs voted against?

just looked it up;
..And the answer to my question is that we voted to close the window before the start of the season!!
 
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DCSPUR

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Apr 15, 2005
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Everyone needs to understand that agents and players, especially the foreign ones, who are open to listening to interesting offers from clubs in Europe, it will not be easy, though our window is closed. I know the shady practices of that world.

Great example; Gareth Bale wants to Madrid. We need the money in before we can sell to allow us to replace. Madrid knows we are at a severe disadvantage. They will wait until our window closes, and know Bale wants out. The challenge we have, they offer good 30% less on final day of our window. We are forced due to player and agents pressure. You also need to understand when you sign players how contracts are structured. They won't sign with you, and goes for most top players if there is unfair restrictions.

I hope Europe falls in line for it to work. I knew the managers (ignorant) was pressuring their clubs to vote for it. I also know that the vast majority of chairman are not looking forward to the change from a commercial point of view, as they feel they will be severely disadvantaged.

Always appreciate your opinions because they come from experience. My question from an outsider perspective, does the Southampton/ VVD and Liverpool/Coutinho situation suggest that PL clubs are now in a position to approach these late bids differently. In other words, start of the summer you make it very clear to the players that ALL business ends at the end of the PL window so if the coach is open to them leaving, their agents need to move quickly because the club will refuse point blank any deal after the PL closes. Seems to me that this puts pressure on the agents and also allows bridges to be rebuilt if a La Liga team tries and fails to buy the player in the time between windows closing
 

Ben1

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Jun 22, 2015
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I wouldn't be surprised if it just leads to more overspill the season before. Like the early Walker rumours last season, which were coincidentally at the time he got dropped.
 

Hercules

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Jul 23, 2014
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Always appreciate your opinions because they come from experience. My question from an outsider perspective, does the Southampton/ VVD and Liverpool/Coutinho situation suggest that PL clubs are now in a position to approach these late bids differently. In other words, start of the summer you make it very clear to the players that ALL business ends at the end of the PL window so if the coach is open to them leaving, their agents need to move quickly because the club will refuse point blank any deal after the PL closes. Seems to me that this puts pressure on the agents and also allows bridges to be rebuilt if a La Liga team tries and fails to buy the player in the time between windows closing

Here is the MAJOR disadvantage. When negotiating new contracts, either to extend, or acquire a player a good agent and lawyer will insert realistic clauses. The buying clubs can only go so far with refusing. It then becomes common practice throughout the industry. We start getting cherry picked. There are always conditions in contracts which allows either party to walk. It has to be fair. You cannot sign a player and tell them 'only in our window, when Europe is open for a good 22 days behind. They will put clauses in to protect their player for this.

Once accepted the newly purchased player later decides they want to move on due to various circumstances. A Daniel Levy-esque chairman abroad will want to buy out of our window, or last day at less than market price for that player. Now every club refuses to sell their player under these terms. Do you think you really have won in principle? No! Now you go to purchase a new player. Your reputation gets about, and you now find it difficult to acquire the top players et el. That is my concern.
 

Danners9

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Mar 30, 2004
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The playoff final winners will have to get busy quickly!
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Here is the MAJOR disadvantage. When negotiating new contracts, either to extend, or acquire a player a good agent and lawyer will insert realistic clauses. The buying clubs can only go so far with refusing. It then becomes common practice throughout the industry. We start getting cherry picked. There are always conditions in contracts which allows either party to walk. It has to be fair. You cannot sign a player and tell them 'only in our window, when Europe is open for a good 22 days behind. They will put clauses in to protect their player for this.

Once accepted the newly purchased player later decides they want to move on due to various circumstances. A Daniel Levy-esque chairman abroad will want to buy out of our window, or last day at less than market price for that player. Now every club refuses to sell their player under these terms. Do you think you really have won in principle? No! Now you go to purchase a new player. Your reputation gets about, and you now find it difficult to acquire the top players et el. That is my concern.

You're inventing a very unrealistic scenario and missing a key element to all this...foreign teams do not and will not have the monolopy over Premiership teams. Prem teams always have the financial advantage over them therefore have the ability to dictate transfers, either way it's harday going to put off players signing for Prem teams because the money is over here.

Literally the only thing that's changed in this circumstance is that the window has moved 3 weeks back, no one is saying that players cannot move in the window, they just have less time to do it so it's in foreign clubs best interests to act early otherwise when our window closes those prices are only going to shoot up, there's nothing unfair about that.

If agents insist on inserting clauses in contracts that require them to move on the cheap after our winow closes and the club accept it then more fool them.

The Coutinho saga tells you all you need to know in regards to how powerfull our clubs are now and how they can be when it comes to financial clout compared to foreign clubs.
 

Hercules

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Jul 23, 2014
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You're inventing a very unrealistic scenario and missing a key element to all this...foreign teams do not and will not have the monolopy over Premiership teams. Prem teams always have the financial advantage over them therefore have the ability to dictate transfers, either way it's harday going to put off players signing for Prem teams because the money is over here.

Literally the only thing that's changed in this circumstance is that the window has moved 3 weeks back, no one is saying that players cannot move in the window, they just have less time to do it so it's in foreign clubs best interests to act early otherwise when our window closes those prices are only going to shoot up, there's nothing unfair about that.

If agents insist on inserting clauses in contracts that require them to move on the cheap after our winow closes and the club accept it then more fool them.

The Coutinho saga tells you all you need to know in regards to how powerfull our clubs are now and how they can be when it comes to financial clout compared to foreign clubs.

I cannot explain it any better, but stand to be proven wrong on this. It is a difficult one, and 'financial clout' does not totally cut it here, though sounds idealistic.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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I cannot explain it any better, but stand to be proven wrong on this. It is a difficult one, and 'financial clout' does not totally cut it here, though sounds idealistic.

Why do you think the majority of clubs have voted for this?
 

Hercules

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Jul 23, 2014
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Why do you think the majority of clubs have voted for this?
I do not have the details. What I have heard though is that all the big clubs were not in favour, and serious concerns as Europe have major advantage as their window will not shut.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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I do not have the details. What I have heard though is that all the big clubs were not in favour, and serious concerns as Europe have major advantage as their window will not shut.

Journo tweeted Utd, City, Watford, Swansea and Palace voted no - Burnley abstained their vote.
 

Clark28

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Aug 31, 2016
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5pm UK time is a much friendlier time for it to close for me spectating in Aus.

No more will i go to sleep dreaming of waking up to another VDV signing.
 

$hoguN

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Jul 25, 2005
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This is how I feel.

Levy will hate this unless all of the top leagues in Europe are subject to it, too. He waits because a lot of the time the targets become available later in the window when clubs have got their replacements in and/or know what they've got for the season.

It'll be nice to know your team before the first match but - financially speaking - I think we'll be the hardest hit by it.

Given the quality we're looking for versus our budget, we'll miss out on some European targets unless we spend more money to get it done before the new deadline.
Levy voted for it so clearly doesn't hate it
 

$hoguN

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Jul 25, 2005
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Everyone needs to understand that agents and players, especially the foreign ones, who are open to listening to interesting offers from clubs in Europe, it will not be easy, though our window is closed. I know the shady practices of that world.

Great example; Gareth Bale wants to Madrid. We need the money in before we can sell to allow us to replace. Madrid knows we are at a severe disadvantage. They will wait until our window closes, and know Bale wants out. The challenge we have, they offer good 30% less on final day of our window. We are forced due to player and agents pressure. You also need to understand when you sign players how contracts are structured. They won't sign with you, and goes for most top players if there is unfair restrictions.

I hope Europe falls in line for it to work. I knew the managers (ignorant) was pressuring their clubs to vote for it. I also know that the vast majority of chairman are not looking forward to the change from a commercial point of view, as they feel they will be severely disadvantaged.
We won't be forced though, if teams try that you just refuse to sell like Liverpool have with Coutinho. If the player acts like a **** about it you fine them and move on, they need to be making an impact for others team come in for them in the next window so have to play ball or face being stuck
 
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